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06-02-2010
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Film is Dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?
I hope this is the correct forum, if not the head bartender will move it. I like many of you out there use digital and film cameras. I currently own 2 digital cameras and 14 film cameras and a ton of lenses, Nikon, Contax, Voigtlander, and Rollei. All I here any more is how film is dead and everyone is going to digital and film will disapear. The photography magazines don't even test film any more. We need to write these magazines and tell them that they need to continue film tests, articles on film usage, and that Voigtlander is one company still making film cameras! It is still easy to get negative film processed and printed. Film is still readly available. Let's be heard and let all know that FILM is far from dead!
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Sounds like it's time for little hard liqueur.
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06-02-2010
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yes, grain alcohol ...
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06-02-2010
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I'm seeing double!
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How come this never comes up?
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06-02-2010
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Spoken like a true American ... here in Oz it's not so rosey and possibly similarly struggling in other parts of the globe!
Decent black and white film where I live is nine dollars a roll and between ten and fifteen dollars per roll just to get the negatives processed, no scanning ... the last roll of E-6 I had done cost me twenty dollars for processing and they didn't even have to cut the negatives into strips!
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06-02-2010
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Film is Dead?
Keith that sucks, I like my digital Nikon but I still like to shoot film. I Started collecting film cameras in 1964 and think that to many people tried to kill film and promote Digital in it place, There is room for both in this world, and film doesn't have to be priced out of reach!
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06-03-2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith
Decent black and white film where I live is nine dollars a roll and between ten and fifteen dollars per roll just to get the negatives processed, no scanning ... the last roll of E-6 I had done cost me twenty dollars for processing and they didn't even have to cut the negatives into strips!
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Keith, is it safe to assume that all film available in Australia is imported? How does the markup on imported film compare with the markup on other imported items? Are there competing importers and distributors, or does one outfit have a monopoly?
The USD is selling for about 1.20 AUD, so there's more going on that just the currency conversion. I've noticed that American products in Britain often seem to be priced thusly: First, convert price directly to pounds. I.e., if it sells for $100 in the U.S., mark it at Ł100. Then add on whatever mythical markup you think you can get away with.
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06-03-2010
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Keith, is it safe to assume that all film available in Australia is imported? How does the markup on imported film compare with the markup on other imported items? Are there competing importers and distributors, or does one outfit have a monopoly?
The USD is selling for about 1.20 AUD, so there's more going on that just the currency conversion. I've noticed that American products in Britain often seem to be priced thusly: First, convert price directly to pounds. I.e., if it sells for $100 in the U.S., mark it at Ł100. Then add on whatever mythical markup you think you can get away with.
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Dear Bill,
Given the number of film coating lines in Australia....
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06-03-2010
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Dear Bill,
Given the number of film coating lines in Australia....
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Well, there used to be. Kodak had quite a large plant here in Melbourne which made film, cameras, and even had a Kodachrome processing lab. But sadly it closed about ten years ago and the site is now converted to housing. Kodak, Fuji, and Ilford all have active offices here but all their product is imported (and the latter two import all their product to the US also). I think the problem with pricing by the time the product reaches retail level is more to do with the multi-level distribution chain and every level taking a profit than it is do do with a deliberate attempt to rip us off. Personally, I bypass that supply chain by buying from Freestyle about three times a year to minimise shipping costs, but it still ends up a lot less than local prices. As far as processing is concerned, I do my own conventional B&W, I can get C41 for AUD6.00 about fifteen minutes from home, and on the rare occasion I use E6 I can get that processed for AUD10.00 about 45 minutes from home. So I have nothing to complain about.
BTW, some years ago, before I was doing my own B&W, I asked the local lab what they would charge for conventional B&W. "Oh, about $40" was the reply.
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06-04-2010
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Well, there used to be. Kodak had quite a large plant here in Melbourne which made film, cameras, and even had a Kodachrome processing lab. But sadly it closed about ten years ago and the site is now converted to housing. Kodak, Fuji, and Ilford all have active offices here but all their product is imported (and the latter two import all their product to the US also). I think the problem with pricing by the time the product reaches retail level is more to do with the multi-level distribution chain and every level taking a profit than it is do do with a deliberate attempt to rip us off. Personally, I bypass that supply chain by buying from Freestyle about three times a year to minimise shipping costs, but it still ends up a lot less than local prices. As far as processing is concerned, I do my own conventional B&W, I can get C41 for AUD6.00 about fifteen minutes from home, and on the rare occasion I use E6 I can get that processed for AUD10.00 about 45 minutes from home. So I have nothing to complain about.
BTW, some years ago, before I was doing my own B&W, I asked the local lab what they would charge for conventional B&W. "Oh, about $40" was the reply.
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That, and of course shipping.
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06-03-2010
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Originally Posted by Keith
Decent black and white film where I live is nine dollars a roll and between ten and fifteen dollars per roll just to get the negatives processed, no scanning ... the last roll of E-6 I had done cost me twenty dollars for processing and they didn't even have to cut the negatives into strips!
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$20? That's ridiculous - would be enough to make me want to learn to do my own E6 if I had to pay that..
Keith, where are you located? I use a good pro lab in Sydney for my slide and pay $8.50 AU per roll.. Might almost be worth mailing it to somewhere like that, rather than paying $20!
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Originally Posted by Keith
Spoken like a true American ... here in Oz it's not so rosey and possibly similarly struggling in other parts of the globe!
Decent black and white film where I live is nine dollars a roll and between ten and fifteen dollars per roll just to get the negatives processed, no scanning ... the last roll of E-6 I had done cost me twenty dollars for processing and they didn't even have to cut the negatives into strips!
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Hi Keith, thort we wuz in a backward City in a Backward state in SA, local camera house $10 processed and scanned to a CD in 30min to 1 hour for colour neg 24exp. So maybe wont emigrate to Queensland after all ! so I can keep my stable of OM's going. MF is another story all together.
BTW we dont use soap in SA, too cold to wash.
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09-29-2010
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Originally Posted by Keith
Spoken like a true American ... here in Oz it's not so rosey and possibly similarly struggling in other parts of the globe!
Decent black and white film where I live is nine dollars a roll and between ten and fifteen dollars per roll just to get the negatives processed, no scanning ... the last roll of E-6 I had done cost me twenty dollars for processing and they didn't even have to cut the negatives into strips!
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Kieth for film www.7dayshop.com tetenal e6 chemicles on ebay uk postage may be the killer but may work out cheaper in bulk. regards Norm |
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$2-$2.50 a roll for C41 ,no scanning here in Adelaide. E6 processing is about $10-$12 a roll, has been for years, 35mm or 120..i dont know anybody that gets or even contemplates getting a lab to process standard B&W film and considering it pretty much has to be hand done i would expect it not to be too cheap.
personally i never touch the C41 B&W, I always consider that stuff only for people that cant or wont use standard B&W film or in an emergency (perhaps away on holidays or something and without decent alternatives perhaps) i much prefer proper B&W film but if you do use C41 B&W then it costs around $2 to process here
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What's your specific objection? Grain? Sharpness? Tonality?
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06-02-2010
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Slide film is something I'll never touch in Australia due to the insane cost.
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06-02-2010
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Slide film is something I'll never touch in Australia due to the insane cost.
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mmm I bought a bunch of Velvia 50 on ebay (120 format) for less than $10 a roll and it's $12 a roll to get processed at Photo Continental. |
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I'm down to 10 rolls of Kodachrome 25 and 4 rolls of K200. Giving up Kodachrome after December.
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Slide film is something I'll never touch in Australia due to the insane cost.
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The photographer Harvey Bengebuys Fuji Provia 100F transparency film from Adorama in NYC and he says that even with freight to New Zealand it is cheaper than where he lives in Auckland. You might wish to check out their film prices. |
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In the Netherlands it is still fairly easy to get film in the shops. If I jump on my bike I'll have film in my hands in about 10 minutes. Even easier is to buy on-line from the Netherlands itself, the UK or Germany. Overnight shipping, low prices, all the flavours you can think off.
B/W processing I can do myself, C41 processing I can choose between 2 working days or one hour processing. Both good and not very expensive. Again, 10min by bike.
Currently my freezer is full with nearly free expired film and also some fresh stuff. The last few years I spend a neat sum on CLA-ing old analogue favourites and I actually got three people to start using film again.
It just can't last...
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I seem to have it even better, I can *walk* to my photo store in 10 minutes, and they develop in 24 hours, which is good enough for me. I only take my C-41 and E-6 there, B/W I develop myself.
I would be lying, however, if I said I wasn't taking advantage of the low internet prices for film... and the broader range available there. So if my local store closes down one day, it will be partly my fault...
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06-05-2010
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When I hear the "film is dead" mantra, I always smile. After more than 25 years of shooting and a plethora of digital cameras (Nikon D3's, D2H ...OO) at my disposal, I'm more "into" shooting film than ever. The deal with the quitters is they want to feel better for throwing their film cameras under the bus. And then there are those who've never shot a roll of film, and wouldn't know how to load a film camera if they had to. If people either quit, or just don't know, then it's easier to swallow if everyone else follows along. As far as weddings go, I just booked two partly because of work with film.
As for me, I have my heart set on a minty black Leica MP to go along with my M6/M7. I can't believe the price that this camera is going for. It's sweet. Using these M cameras has inspired me to really get out there and shoot twice as much as I did just using my Nikon D3 and F3T for that matter.
The good thing in having so many cry the sky is falling is that there are deals to be had. I bought two boxes of Ektapress 100/160 ASA, 50 rolls for $2 a roll. They've been in the fridge for 10 years and the film is fine. I know the store has three more cases of film I'll be going back for.
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GASitis.. finally cured?
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I think it's pretty cool that there are exactly 42 '!' in the thread subject.
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06-05-2010
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I think it's pretty cool that there are exactly 42 '!' in the thread subject.
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I think its cool that you counted them  .
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I assume it's safe to say that as long as CVS sells disposable cameras, they will do C41. It's just too bad that there aren't more B&W C41 films out there. Last time I went to the Hunts Photo down the street, they only had one B&W C41, Ilford XP2 400. I used to use Walmart BW400CN (wicked cheap there, too) but they stopped stocking and I actually got the last box at the store. Now it's unreasonable expensive to buy it from amazon and pay for shipping. Since it costs 3x more and takes 48x longer to develop any film at Hunt's I'm (in a practical sense) stuck with CVS.
Despite my dislike for them, I'm rooting for the survival of the disposable camera!
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