I hate this word...

nikon_sam · 11-19-2009

Analog

When did my Nikon F2a become an "Analog" camera ???
When did I switch to shooting "Analog" pictures ???
Why did my choice of shooting have to change it's name ???
My Nikon, Mamiya, Olympus, Pentax, Minolta or Yashica Mat are and forever will be "Film" cameras or simply just plain "Cameras"...if you want to call your M9 a "Digital" camera that's fine with me just DON'T go converting my "Film" cameras to "Analog"...

Sorry, but that's been bugging me for a while...

What new terminology is getting you hot under the collar ???

aperture64 · 11-19-2009

The word 'bokeh' and its improper use of another way of saying out of focus areas. Bokeh refers to the quality of those out of focus areas, not the areas themselves.

It also bothers me when people take pictures of themselves with their camera, usually via mirror.

cooltouch · 11-21-2009

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Originally Posted by aperture64

The word 'bokeh' and its improper use of another way of saying out of focus areas. Bokeh refers to the quality of those out of focus areas, not the areas themselves.

It also bothers me when people take pictures of themselves with their camera, usually via mirror.

Picky, picky. Guilty on both counts, although in defense of the latter, it's a good way to check rangefinder accuracy and depth of field, if it's a camera you just bought. Which is what I did just a few days ago, after buying a nice Canon IID 1.

<linguist hat>
Regarding bokeh, you indicate that bokeh's original meaning is a qualitative, rather than simple observational measure. Quoting from Wikipedia:

"The term comes from the Japanese word boke (暈け or ボケ), which means 'blur' or 'haze', or boke-aji (ボケ味), the 'blur quality'."

(I have Asian fonts installed on my machine, so I can see the kanji and kana. You might only be seeing question marks or some such.)

As the original definitions indicate, strictly speaking, bokeh means 'blur' only. The -aji suffix not only means 'quality' but also 'flavor'. So, we can say with some accuracy that the bokeh-aji of a lens is a qualitative expression, while simply bokeh is descriptive.

Nonetheless, I would still argue that when a person whose native language is not Japanese uses the word bokeh in a photographic context, there is an implied meaning or reference to the quality of the OOF image. We almost always attach qualitative statements to the word when we express it, I have noticed. Thus the semantics remain intact, even if the word is used in ways that might be deemed inaccurate.
</linguist hat>

gns · 11-19-2009

Not all new, and don't get me upset, but funny (at least to me)...

"Glass"
"Soup"
"Wet" prints

oh, and "Giclee (or however you spell it) and "Fine Art Photography"

Cheers,
Gary

nikon_sam · 11-19-2009

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Originally Posted by gns

Not all new, and don't get me upset, but funny (at least to me)...

"Glass"
"Soup"
"Wet" prints

oh, and "Giclee (or however you spell it) and "Fine Art Photography"

Cheers,
Gary

I never heard of "Soup" until I read it here and what's up with "Wet" printing...

ray*j*gun · 11-19-2009

Souping film is a very old term...it was used when I was just starting as a Lab Tech / Photographer in the Marine Corps. That would be in the later 60's.

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Originally Posted by nikon_sam

I never heard of "Soup" until I read it here and what's up with "Wet" printing...

Sparrow · 07-30-2012

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Originally Posted by photomoof

It has been "soup" in labs as long as I have been around darkrooms and that is back to the '60s.

... so it manages to be both pretentious and old-fashioned? ... marvellous

DNG · 08-05-2012

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Originally Posted by gns

Not all new, and don't get me upset, but funny (at least to me)...

"Glass"
"Soup"
"Wet" prints

oh, and "Giclee (or however you spell it) and "Fine Art Photography"

Cheers,
Gary

I have used "Soup", and "Wet Prints" for over 30 years!!

I hate to hear the words: Shot, and Shoot, referring taking a "Photograph:.

Guns Shoot, not cameras..

@Apreture64... My avatar must bug you also..

Dave Wilkinson · 11-19-2009

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Originally Posted by nikon_sam

Analog

When did my Nikon F2a become an "Analog" camera ???
When did I switch to shooting "Analog" pictures ???
Why did my choice of shooting have to change it's name ???
My Nikon, Mamiya, Olympus, Pentax, Minolta or Yashica Mat are and forever will be "Film" cameras or simply just plain "Cameras"...if you want to call your M9 a "Digital" camera that's fine with me just DON'T go converting my "Film" cameras to "Analog"...

Sorry, but that's been bugging me for a while...

Me too!.....it's all to do with the type of "CAPTURE" -you know!

Dave.

FrankS · 11-19-2009

i hate stupid drivers.

rover · 11-19-2009

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Originally Posted by FrankS

i hate stupid drivers.

A state trooper ran me of the road this morning. He was very stupid, and a few other things I didn't share with him.

kshapero · 11-19-2009

I am sick of hearing, "Is that digital?" and "Can I see the picture?"

Roberto V. · 11-19-2009

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Originally Posted by kshapero

I am sick of hearing, "Is that digital?" and "Can I see the picture?"

Last week I was walking home with one of my cameras on a neck strap and some guy (classical abercrombie-wearing guy) comes up and says "Nice camera. How many megapixels does it have?" To which i reply "None". He just gave me a blank stare so i said "It's a film camera" And he said "Oh, i get it, so you give it the megapixels when you print the pictures?"
And I've also had lots of people trying to see some image magically appear on the back of my cameras.

Oh, and also, some old guy tried to sell some cheap p&s camera that "shoots both film and digital" to me..... "it has 2 gigabytes"...

MartinP · 11-19-2009

In this context, it's not even as though analogue was spelt correctly either . . .

Dez · 08-06-2012

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Originally Posted by MartinP

In this context, it's not even as though analogue was spelt correctly either . . .

That's an interesting one. In the UK, one would say "analogue" for all applications of the word. In the US, "analog". Myself, I'm Canadian, and therefore torn between the two cultures, so I think most literate Canadians would refer to an "analog computer", but also say that something could be a good "analogue" of something else.

Cheers, eh?
Dez

aperture64 · 11-19-2009

Another one of mine is: I just bought a Leica MP and now I need a lens. I'm thinking of getting [enter lens that is below par].

Translation, I just sold the house to buy this dream camera I will hardly ever use. Since I don't know that the technical qualities of the images depends more on the quality of the glass in my lens than it has to do with the body, I spent almost everything on the camera body.

Dave Wilkinson · 11-19-2009

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Originally Posted by aperture64

Another one of mine is: I just bought a Leica MP and now I need a lens. I'm thinking of getting [enter lens that is below par].

Translation, I just sold the house to buy this dream camera I will hardly ever use. Since I don't know that the technical qualities of the images depends more on the quality of the glass in my lens than it has to do with the body, I spent almost everything on the camera body.

and often in a similar post :- "...one of my clients....." - translation - 'uncle Arthur asked for a copy of this picture!

degruyl · 11-19-2009

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Originally Posted by Dave Wilkinson

and often in a similar post :- "...one of my clients....." - translation - 'uncle Arthur asked for a copy of this picture!

Especially when they mean patron...

ferider · 11-19-2009

"you get what you pay for", in particular connected to expensive gear.

climbing_vine · 11-19-2009

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Originally Posted by nikon_sam

Analog

When did my Nikon F2a become an "Analog" camera ???
When did I switch to shooting "Analog" pictures ???
Why did my choice of shooting have to change it's name ???
My Nikon, Mamiya, Olympus, Pentax, Minolta or Yashica Mat are and forever will be "Film" cameras or simply just plain "Cameras"...if you want to call your M9 a "Digital" camera that's fine with me just DON'T go converting my "Film" cameras to "Analog"...

Sorry, but that's been bugging me for a while...

What new terminology is getting you hot under the collar ???

There's been a lot of angst about "analogue" on this and other forums recently. Even (incorrect, I feel comfortable saying) claims that the word is being misapplied. Personally, I don't really understand the pique. It's not a personal judgement. It's just a useful descriptor in this day and age when such items have become a very decided minority. If we all drove electric cars, we'd talk about "gas cars".

Personally I just say "film" because it's shorter and I'm lazy

but I don't see get bent out of shape about it.

nikon_sam · 11-19-2009

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Originally Posted by climbing_vine

If we all drove electric cars, we'd talk about "gas cars".

I'm guessing they would be called "Fossil Fuel" cars...

dexdog · 11-19-2009

film cameras have always been analog. It's just that nobody bothered to point it out before. It's just a word...

kuzano · 11-19-2009

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Originally Posted by climbing_vine

If we all drove electric cars, we'd talk about "gas cars".

If we all drove "Hybrids" or "Electric -largely digital instrument and control system cars", I think we would be calling fossil fuel cars "Analog" vehicles

sojournerphoto · 11-19-2009

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Originally Posted by climbing_vine

If we all drove electric cars, we'd talk about "gas cars".

I drive a petrol fuelled car. As opposed to the normal diesel

Roger Hicks · 11-19-2009

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Originally Posted by sojournerphoto

I drive a petrol fuelled car. As opposed to the normal diesel

Or benzine (cf the German).

Mary had a little lamb
She filled it with benzine.
Mary lit a little match:
Since then, she's not benzine.

Cheers,

R.