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My Ikon has the "popping" frameline issue. 2 2.30%
My Ikon had the "popping" frameline issue, but I sent it back and now it works fine. 4 4.60%
My Ikon had a different issue, but I sent it back and now it works fine. (please specify in thread) 5 5.75%
My Ikon still/currently has another issue. (please specify in thread) 1 1.15%
My Ikon has worked great since the day I got it, without problem. 53 60.92%
My Ikon had Rangefinder Alignment Problems 16 18.39%
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Old 12-18-2007   #1
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Zeiss Ikon Problems

I want to get a Zeiss Ikon, but recently I've read about problems, mainly with respect to this frameline "popping" or "ticking" issue:

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...ad.php?t=31692
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...ad.php?t=45839


Based on those threads, it seems a lot of people have had that problem... What I want to know is, how many people have not?


I also read that there RF whites out in bright scenes, and becomes next to usesless in low light envoronments.

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"Rangefinder patch in Zeiss Ikon however has tendency to white out a lot more often than on MP-3. So, all the benefits of brighter and larger viewfinder disappear in tough lighting conditions since you can't focus at all. These include very bright outdoor lighting conditions and dim lighting indoor. I'd say that on average day I'm guaranteed to encounter this several times through the day - trouble focusing with Ikon because I barely see the rangefinder patch or I don't see it at all."

Has anyone else experienced this?

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Old 12-18-2007   #2
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Not had any of these problems. Hope you get it worked out.
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Old 12-18-2007   #3
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no problem with mine.
the focus patch needs your eye centred in the finder which is not difficult to do though some claim to be unable to do so. it takes all kinds i guess...
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Old 12-19-2007   #4
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So far no issue. But as some have already said:

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the focus patch needs your eye centred in the finder which is not difficult to do though some claim to be unable to do so. it takes all kinds i guess...
It's easy to focus with the ZI in bright lighting conditions, and easier in low light.
Again, no issue so far; I hope I don't have any for a long time for it's the only body I own at the moment.
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Old 12-18-2007   #5
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Had no issues with mine so far. Besides leaving it on by mistake and letting the batteries drain. (When am I gonna learn. haha)
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Old 12-18-2007   #6
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Had no issues with mine so far. Besides leaving it on by mistake and letting the batteries drain. (When am I gonna learn. haha)

How long would that take? Seeing as the meter is only active when you half-depress the shutter (right?), how much power is being eaten up when it's just sitting there in something other than the 'off' position?
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Old 12-18-2007   #7
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Not a problem, from day one. The Ikon is by far my favorite M-body for big aperture/long lenses. That pesky rangefinder patch! I read somewhere that it is a feature not a bug. You actually have to look straight through it. Can't say I've shot into the sun with a snow background (but I might later this week) - my guess is that even the vaunted M3 finder might have issues under those conditions.

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Old 12-18-2007   #8
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Well... i left mine on for probably over a week and a half and didnt even know it. Keep in mind, the battery I was using had been an older battery (used) before.


but in any case... just to let you know when my ZI told me the battery was low... it still kept shooting for at least six or seven more rolls of film before it stopped.
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Old 12-18-2007   #9
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My Ikon had a thin frameline on the 50mm frame set...it would disappear in the certain light. I returned the camera and the replacement worked perfectly...but it did take a minute to get use to viewfinder and centering the eye with the glasses I use.

Love the camera and results I get with it.
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I have a rangefinder alignment problem. It can't reach to the position of infinity when the lens already turned to infinity. I will send it back.
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Old 12-19-2007   #11
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I have a rangefinder alignment problem. It can't reach to the position of infinity when the lens already turned to infinity. I will send it back.
The only ZM I have handled in a shop had a misaligned rangefinder, and my new M6TTL that I bought new a few years ago also had to go back for alignment. So it's not uncommon. Add to that the fact that new Leica lenses are sometimes not properly aligned and you can have a very frustrating time. My 35mm Summilux ASPH is currently on the long journey from the Antipodes to Germany to have its insides properly adjusted. Makes you wish for an SLR sometimes!
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I have a rangefinder alignment problem. It can't reach to the position of infinity when the lens already turned to infinity. I will send it back.
What did you try to focus on? And how many unsharp pictures at infinity have you got because of this?

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Adjusting the Zeiss Ikon ZM rangefinder
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Adjusting the Zeiss Ikon ZM rangefinder

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I have a rangefinder alignment problem. It can't reach to the position of infinity when the lens already turned to infinity. I will send it back.
I have come across this posting elsewhere on the Internet:
http://www.kyphoto.com/classics/foru...tml?1197654241

It shows where and how to adjust the ZM rangefinder. However, I do not have this problem with my ZM and therefore have not tried it.

Also, the 2X eyepiece magnifier for the Nikon F2 will fit the ZM...useful in critical adjustments.
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optikhit,
Have you tried to focus on the moon? If you don't like the ZI, you will have hard time finding a better rangefinder. Leicas are obsolete.
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No single problem with the ZI in 18 months.
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Old 12-19-2007   #16
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Hi, mfogiel. I haven't try to foucs the moon because my ZI's rangefinder cannot align the double images even when the lens is turned to infinity. (when I focus a distant object, it can not reach to the alignment position, even when the lens is already at infinity position, not OVER.) A little bit difficult to describe but I assume you understand me
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Old 12-19-2007   #17
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After almost a year, I had a shutter stick kind of open. It was still under warranty from the good folks at Popflash so there was no problem sending to them for repair. I got it back in the same week everything working like it should.

I was dinking around with it at the time and I think I might have tried to crank the film advance while the AE had the shutter open... like an idiot. I saw a thread on the Bessa section where some rod in the bottom of the camera comes unhooked. I don't know for certain but I'm thinking my trouble might have been similar. Even so, it must have been a quick fix and the camera seems no worse for the wear.
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How far is the "distant" object you are observing which is refusing to align with your lens turned to infinity? - I assume you understand me too... ?
The rf of my ZI is so precise, it will not align at infinity even objects which are 300m away, you have to observe something which is several kilometers away, at least. And in any case, I suggest you place a ruler on the floor, and take some shots with a sharp (and properly aligned) lens wide open, focusing at 45 at e.g. 1 meter mark. Then develop the film and see the results. If you have a misaligned rf it will show, otherwise don't bother sending it for repair.
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Old 12-20-2007   #19
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How far is the "distant" object you are observing which is refusing to align with your lens turned to infinity? - I assume you understand me too... ?
The rf of my ZI is so precise, it will not align at infinity even objects which are 300m away, you have to observe something which is several kilometers away, at least. And in any case, I suggest you place a ruler on the floor, and take some shots with a sharp (and properly aligned) lens wide open, focusing at 45 at e.g. 1 meter mark. Then develop the film and see the results. If you have a misaligned rf it will show, otherwise don't bother sending it for repair.
Hi, friend, I understand you well. But maybe I make you confused. When I focus to an 80m away object the ZI aligns as the lens turned to infinity. For the object far beyong that distance, it can not longer be aligned.
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Old 12-21-2007   #20
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Those of you who claim that you have an 'alignment problem'; do you really get unsharp pictures? Or is the rangefinder only 'off' at infinity? I.e. what you see through the viewfinder.

My Zeiss Ikon is 'off' at infinity - what I can see through the viewfinder, but it takes 'sharp' pictures at infinity -and elsewhere. - So, then it is no problem. While my M8 - is dead on at infinity, but the Noctilux is takes pictures that is 10 cm 'off' at full aparture.
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Those of you who claim that you have an 'alignment problem'; do you really get unsharp pictures? Or is the rangefinder only 'off' at infinity? I.e. what you see through the viewfinder.

My Zeiss Ikon is 'off' at infinity - what I can see through the viewfinder, but it takes 'sharp' pictures at infinity -and elsewhere. - So, then it is no problem. While my M8 - is dead on at infinity, but the Noctilux is takes pictures that is 10 cm 'off' at full aparture.
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How to fix infinity focus: the roller.

Olsen, instead of complaining about your noctilux for more then a year now, why not take 5 minutes to fix the problem?
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Infinity doesn't mean Alpha Centauri.

It means the end of the street.
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Old 12-21-2007   #23
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Infinity doesn't mean Alpha Centauri.

It means the end of the street.
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Marek is right. Infinity means "moon" if not Alpha Centauri. If you focus at infinity, and point your RF to the end of the street, you should see what seems to be mis-alignment (it's quite slight but it's here). Conversely, if the overlapping images in the VF align perfectly while you focus at infinity and point at the end of the street, then there's a problem.
Try it and you'll see the difference.
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My only problem with My Ikon is it's somewhere between here and Japan (Matsuiya) and the anticipation is killing me!

Monday hopefully ... depending on the Xmas congestion in the mail system.
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My only problem with My Ikon is it's somewhere between here and Japan (Matsuiya) and the anticipation is killing me!

Monday hopefully ... depending on the Xmas congestion in the mail system.

i'm looking forward to your impressions of the zi keith.

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