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Old 04-10-2007   #1
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Rollei 40mm f2.8 HFT Sonnar

what can you tell me about this lens?
i can find very little info on it.

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This is the Sonnar sold with the Rollei RF correct. Huck Finn has one and is very impressed with it.
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Look for photos shot with the Rollei 35S or 35SE, Joe. It's the same design.

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I have a pdf of the Rollei RF system- can't post a pdf it seems, but I will quote:
"Sonnar 40mm f/2.8 HFT
The famous candid lens of the legendary Rollei 35S. The ideal focal length for indoors and out. A lens ideally suited for news photography. Its initial aperture of f/2.8 gives it a wide margin for shooting in low light with excellent results.
FIlter thread: M 39

Specs:
Aperture range: f/2.8 - f/22
angle of view, diagonal/horizontal: 54.9/46.8
optical system: 5 elements/4 components
focusing: 0.7 m - infinity
diameter: 51 mm
length: 30.5 mm (w/o lens hood)
weight: approx. 175 g
filter size: E 39"

I can send you the pdf of the whole brochure (2.1 MB) or just the lens info trimmed out of it (180 KB).

WIll have to be tomorrow afternoon, I've got to get packed for tomorrows sunny day!

added- I haven't shot with this lens, longed for it, but have the hood & VF for my 40 'cron (the 'cron was cheaper). They are the CV pieces I believe- and are quite nice. The VF is bright, the hood metal and extremely nicely finished.

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i wonder about it on an r4, a kit with 25 & 40, using the 35 fl. but i would only be interested if the sonnar 'look' was prevalent.

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thanks bob, i'm hoping for a few user comments more than anything.

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The same as on the Rollei 35S. That's interesting! I've got one of those.
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so, what do you think of the lens frank?
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It is a recent purchase and I haven't had a chance to scan any negs from the 1 roll of film I've put through it.
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i just found a bunch of info on the lens. i didn't realize it was the lens from the cosina built rollei 35.

but i still have not read much about it's sonnar look (or not).
there are 40mm summicrons and rokkors aplenty if one just wanted the 40 fov and petite size.
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I wouldnt mind seeing if it had " the look " . Of course I still want the 80mm f2.8 they put out for the same body.
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joe, you could always just sell it if you didn't like it.
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joe, you could always just sell it if you didn't like it.

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I've got one that came with the "kit"...Rollei 35RF w/40mm Sonnar. Coming from SLR (old Pentax mf stuff), it and the Zeiss Biogon 25 that I picked up at the time both offer very noticible improvement in color, contrast and clarity. There are those who say it's a little soft, but I haven't noticed that.
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I've got some sample comparison crops comparing the 40/2.8 Sonnar to the 35/2 Summicron ASPH. here: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=672238. Image quality is indistinguishable.
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thanks for the sample shots.
it seems like a great lens.
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I have the Sonnar with the Rollei 35RF. I really like it. Mechanics are very smooth. Nice weight. Nice size. Seems sharp with good color.

Bare in mind that my only other RF lenses are the Heliar and Ultron, and that I'm new to the RF world. Having shot SLR for about 25 years and counting.

I have several shots taken with the Sonnar on my Flickr photo stream.

The ones tagged with "Sonnar" are here:

http://flickr.com/search/?w=48421455...=sonnar&m=text
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Some of my shots w/the Rollei 40/2.8 (have some more recent shots, but haven't gotten around to doing post & uploading them):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/rollei4028sonnar/

It's a fine lens, but I don't think the Sonnar signature comes through that much because it's only an f/2.8 lens. I wish Rollei had not been so committed to recreating their old designs w/their 35RF lenses & produced a 40/2.
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This is a superb lens in every way. The Sonnar look comes through when shooting wide open - although not to the same degree as f/1.5. More of a look that is not razor sharp with a little softening in the corners. Stopped down it is quite sharp. Build quality is also superb; it is one of the few modern lenses you'll find that is actually made of brass. Comes with a Leica-style tab.

What I like best about pictures taken with this lens are color & tonality plus the fact that it just does not flare. As a walk around lens, it is very compact & is fast enough for almost any situation you'll encounter.

One advantage that it has over other 40's is that it is easily adapted to 35 mm frame lines because it is LTM. If you want to bring up 35 FLs instead of 50, just change the adapter. It works quite well with the 35 frame lines on my ZI.

At its current price, I compare its position in the current Zeiss M-line to the 50/2.8 Elmarit in the Leica line-up. it's the cheapest Zeiss design currently available for an M-mount camera.
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One advantage that it has over other 40's is that it is easily adapted to 35 mm frame lines because it is LTM. If you want to bring up 35 FLs instead of 50, just change the adapter. It works quite well with the 35 frame lines on my ZI.
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H'mmmm. So, in your opinion, Huck, this lens, with a 35mm adapter, should work well with the M8 with the 35mm framelines?
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H'mmmm. So, in your opinion, Huck, this lens, with a 35mm adapter, should work well with the M8 with the 35mm framelines?
Yes, I do.

When they did a review of the Zeiss Ikon for Shutterbug last year, Roger Hicks & Frances Schultz did an interesting comparison of frame lines from various viewfinders. They found that the 35 mm frame lines from the ZI show a little more (6% more) than those from the MP, which I believe has the same frame lines as the M8. Correct? So, if I'm not having any problems with the 35 frame lines on the ZI, I would expect that it would be just fine on the M8 - if not better.

I believe that Popular Photography measured the Rollei 40/2.8 at close to 42 mm (41.68 mm) when they tested it. So, this would make it a longish 50 on the M8 - about 55 mm.
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With all due respect to the wonderful Rollei 40, there is a CLE Rokkor 40 in the classifieds now for $225. You will not find a better bargain in 40mm lenses than this one in a very long time.
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With all due respect to the wonderful Rollei 40, there is a CLE Rokkor 40 in the classifieds now for $225. You will not find a better bargain in 40mm lenses than this one in a very long time.
Yep - cannt believe this is still around. Took me a while to find mine ...

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there are actually 2 of them in there now, one is an older ad and the lens might be sold tho.

i am still considering it as a third lens in the 35mm range. just trying to figure out if i have the $$ for it.
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won't a 40 be very close to your zm35?
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very close indeed, and i have a cv 35/2.5 coming also.
it's my favourite focal length.
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I'd guess the coatings would be better than on the Summicron- more than a few years difference there- but is seems quite similar in size. I find the 40 'cron to be a little hard to use due to the small size- my fingers are not terrible clunky, but these lenses are really tiny. (I came to RF from Nikon Ais lenses- bulky buggers in comparison)
Another plus would be the filter threads/hood which are a bit of an inconvience with the 'cron (if you are a big filter user). I haven't had the filter fall off, but it does just kinda hang there, and my 'crons hood is really mishapen and cracked- I don't use it anymore having replaced it with the clamp on Rollei version.

Hey- if you go with the Rollei & don't like it I might be willing to swap the 'cron for it- assuming we could work out a deal. (read choose the black one)
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Is there some place to source a rollei 40/2.8?
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Is there some place to source a rollei 40/2.8?
there was someone who was selling on in the classifieds last week...
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yes, a very good deal in the classifieds here under lenses.

i eventually went for the 40 rokkor that was on sale here.
i have a great tiny hood in 40.5 that will replace the rubber one. i had the rokkor in a former life and went with the known.
i think it's gonna rock the zi.
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I got a 40/2 summi off evil bay and it is JACKED. I'm about to have to file a complaint with the seller. Shame really it is a very pretty lens. The Sonnar does sound interesting. That has to be the cheapest sonnar design lens that is new out there is it not?
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Has anyone seen the structure of this lens? I know it's 5 elements in 4 groups. Is it the same design as Sonnar 40/2.8 lens on Rollei 35S, 35SE or 35 Classic?

I found this page at http://www.rollei.jp/e/pd/35RF.html and there is a picture of the lens structure. Unfortunately I'm not sure, is the picture from Rollei 35S or Rollei 35 RF HFT Sonnar 40/2.8 lens...

By the way, CV 35mm/2.5 or 40mm/1.4 lens structures are here, if anyone is interested http://www.cosina.co.jp/seihin/voigt...l-m/index.html .
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Hi Jari,
to my knowledge the lens structure of the Rollei 35RF Sonnar follows the lens which was designed by Zeiss for the Rollei 35S/ SE (and what has been told, was immediately redesigned 1972 after the first prototypes who weren't sharp enough and refused by Rollei).
The lens is pretty much the same as sold from 1974 on except for improved coating, has the typical flare of these 4-element 1960's and 1970's Sonnars, even with its big shade. Contrast is on the soft side wide open, but stopped-down a very sharp lens. Underpriced both in terms of quality and rarity.
The lens is made of chromed brass and very heavy for its small size. Poor man's Summicron 4th gen.! Like it! ;-)



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Here's a diagram of the new Rollei 40/2.8
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My brief experience with the 40mm Sonnar.

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Here's a diagram of the new Rollei 40/2.8
May I ask, where did you find this diagram?

I took a closer look at page http://www.rollei.jp/e/pd/35RF.html diagram under the Rollei 35S photo. I can't still be 100% sure, that the diagram is referring on that page the new Sonnar 40mm F2.8 HFT LTM-lens. It might as well be the original Rollei 35S lens diagram...
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May I ask, where did you find this diagram?

I took a closer look at page http://www.rollei.jp/e/pd/35RF.html diagram under the Rollei 35S photo. I can't still be 100% sure, that the diagram is referring on that page the new Sonnar 40mm F2.8 HFT LTM-lens. It might as well be the original Rollei 35S lens diagram...

In the link in my post above I have just added the lens diagram from a Rollei Classic ( same as Rollei 35S) brochure and the lens diagram from the Rollei 35RF brochure and putting them side by side.
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Originally Posted by jsuominen
May I ask, where did you find this diagram?

I took a closer look at page http://www.rollei.jp/e/pd/35RF.html diagram under the Rollei 35S photo. I can't still be 100% sure, that the diagram is referring on that page the new Sonnar 40mm F2.8 HFT LTM-lens. It might as well be the original Rollei 35S lens diagram...

Jari- I got this from the pdf of the Rollei 35RF system brochure, downloaded from the Rollei website some time ago. Seems to have been published in March of '03.
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Old 06-11-2007   #40
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This might be an interesting information - or maybe not? - from Rollei Germany. I received it today for my question about design and formula of the lens:

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"The Rollei 35S was developed and manufactured many years ago, so the fixed
lens of this camera model does not have anything to do with the exchangeable
lenses of the Rollei 35 RF which was an independent development.

With best regards from Braunschweig,

Andrea Fahlbusch
Manager Service & Logistics
Rollei GmbH
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