Nikon 1v1, wow

[whatever]

This camera I think hits the mark. I'm glad I didn't spring for the Fuji X100. This camera with it's 4 new lens available, including a 10mm and LCD viewfinder is near half price of the X100. Next stop, a local Nikon dealer.
http://www.nikonusa.com/Nikon-Produc...Tabs.TechSpecs

[EthanFrank]

I hope you enjoy it! However, given the size of the sensor, and thus the high crop factor (2.5x IIRC), 10mm lens isn't really remarkable.

[Jamie Pillers]

I played around with the Nikon today at the local camera store. My initial reaction is that its just another re-work of cameras like the Canon G series. But I've read that it has new bells and whistles under the hood that may be special. However, I'll likely not discover those since I have the X100 already. I can say that the Nikon viewfinder is not nearly as nice as the X100's hybrid optical/electronic vf.

[whatever]

Originally Posted by Jamie Pillers

I played around with the Nikon today at the local camera store. My initial reaction is that its just another re-work of cameras like the Canon G series. But I've read that it has new bells and whistles under the hood that may be special. However, I'll likely not discover those since I have the X100 already. I can say that the Nikon viewfinder is not nearly as nice as the X100's hybrid optical/electronic vf.

This is a good point, I would like to compare the two. The strange thing is all of my local camera dealers ( southern Ca. ) don't deal Fuji. This is a subject you don't see much written about. Even the big box guys don't carry the X100. I have to assume most people bought the X100 on line. I have a Fuji 3D/W3, on line was my only option to purchase.

[digitalintrigue]

The X100 has an APS-C, the Nikon has a tiny sensor. These cameras are not in the same market segment...

[Moriturii]

Originally Posted by digitalintrigue

The X100 has an APS-C, the Nikon has a tiny sensor. These cameras are not in the same market segment...

They are. You don't categorize cameras by something poxy as sensor size. These two cameras, that happen to have different size sensors, and also they are in different colors, are marketed to more or less exact same category of buyers. They are in the same segment. Serious amateurs / great 'pocket' cameras for pros.

... If the sensor, if it's size of a pin or a large format size, can deliver great quality pictures at various ISO settings, thats it! That is all that matters. It has done it's job and it is good.

Common sense isn't very common.

[gavinlg]

Originally Posted by Moriturii

They are. You don't categorize cameras by something poxy as sensor size. These two cameras, that happen to have different size sensors, and also they are in different colors, are marketed to more or less exact same category of buyers. They are in the same segment. Serious amateurs / great 'pocket' cameras for pros.

... If the sensor, if it's size of a pin or a large format size, can deliver great quality pictures at various ISO settings, thats it! That is all that matters. It has done it's job and it is good.

Common sense isn't very common.

Considering the nikon 1 series doesn't have even an external mode dial with PASM modes, and offers very little in the way of manual control, it's not really markets to serious amateurs or pros. Nikon themselves have said it's marketed to people upgrading from a point and shoot but not confident enough to go to a DSLR.

[andredossantos]

Originally Posted by Moriturii

If the sensor, if it's size of a pin or a large format size, can deliver great quality pictures at various ISO settings, thats it! That is all that matters. It has done it's job and it is good.

Common sense isn't very common.

Not sure if Im one of the ones due to my mention of "tiny" sensor but let me clarify. A small sensor doesn't make a camera bad per se. I just think that the sensor in my phone is good enough where carrying a p&s with a comparably small sensor is redundant.

[jsrockit]

Originally Posted by andredossantos

I just think that the sensor in my phone is good enough where carrying a p&s with a comparably small sensor is redundant.

But Andre, you do have to admit that certain P&S cameras have better ergonomics and are funner to use / more versatile.

[andredossantos]

Originally Posted by jsrockit

But Andre, you do have to admit that certain P&S cameras have better ergonomics and are funner to use / more versatile.

Ive honestly never used a small P&S that Ive liked. I have had one of those Nikon Px000's for a couple years now and loathe it. The slow focus and all internal menu system drives me insane. I find that the iphone's ergonomics are nice! It is relatively simple with all touchscreen commands and the tap to focus function.

That being said, Ive never used any of the "photographer friendly" P&S' like the G10 or the Ricoh GRD's. Maybe I'd like those better?

[Archlich]

Handled one last week, ISO 3200 looks fine (on the screen), did not like the construction - you can feel the plastic, plus it's really bulky in depth. The pancake is cheaply built, in many ways inferior to the metallish NEX pancake, although I highly doubt if anyone will ever actually use that bumpy focus ring.

The viewfinder is so-so, comparing to the latest offerings from competitors.

At least the thing focuses in low light and is ultra fast indeed. Unlike the X100 with which you have always to struggle.

[gavinlg]

Originally Posted by Archlich

At least the thing focuses in low light and is ultra fast indeed. Unlike the X100 with which you have always to struggle.

My x100 is quite sufficient for both AF speed and reliability in low light. I was shooting ISO5000 at f2, 1/30th the other night and had no problems.

Also, $900 for the v1, just under 1200 for the x100... not really half the price, or even close to it.

[jsrockit]

Originally Posted by whatever

This camera I think hits the mark. I'm glad I didn't spring for the Fuji X100. This camera with it's 4 new lens available, including a 10mm and LCD viewfinder is near half price of the X100.

If price is your main concern, then fine... but comparing this camera to the X100 is silly. Is it about bargain shopping based or perceived specs or the best tool for the job?

[retnull]

Originally Posted by whatever

This camera I think hits the mark. I'm glad I didn't spring for the Fuji X100. This camera with it's 4 new lens available, including a 10mm and LCD viewfinder is near half price of the X100. Next stop, a local Nikon dealer.
http://www.nikonusa.com/Nikon-Produc...Tabs.TechSpecs

Hi, Nikon person!

[jippiejee]

Nikon being afraid to jeopardize their lucrative entry-level dslr sales, launched the most disappointing compact of the year with this small-sensored point and shoot, happily leaving it to the other camera makers like Sony and Olympus to offer compact dslr-quality asp-c cameras. But if you like the Nikon 1, enjoy!

[andredossantos]

At this point, I'd rather just use my IPhone than any camera with a small (p&s size) sensor.

[flip]

Given the native market here, it kinda makes sense that Nikon would do something this tiny. I mean, there are point n shoots about the size of a deck of cards now. To give potential buyers in that segment something that is more "pro" is good positioning. I rather think that the Japanese are waiting to see what happens with the Sony experiments in Nex -land. If they go FF in a year or so and it flies.... That will be a shakeup. {For my part, I think a digital Nikon RF will happen}

[whatever]

The old my sensor is bigger than your sensor story.
Now where have I heard that before?

[chrismoret]

Spotted one yesterday at our local photo store window. Putting all the comments together I should leave it just there.... :-)

[luuca]

size of the sensor matters.

I hardly put up with my aps-c based nex5, can't imagine a 2,5 crop factor...

the more the sensor size decreases, the more the image results flat to my eyes.
so, for me no N1, thanks

[250swb]

It is a camera aimed squarely at getting people who are nervous about interchangable lenses into more serious photography. Yes, the secrets lie 'under the hood', not in the sensor, but the ability for reasonably good video and image capture from video or fast sequence. Its like saying to your novice rebel fighter 'here is a machine gun and if you fire off a clip one bullet will hit the target'. What novice wouldn't want one of those? I wouldn't call it an enthusiasts camera, it is for rank amateurs.

Steve

[gavinlg]

Originally Posted by luuca

size of the sensor matters.

I hardly put up with my aps-c based nex5, can't imagine a 2,5 crop factor...

the more the sensor size decreases, the more the image results flat to my eyes.
so, for me no N1, thanks

+100

I use aps-c cameras all day long at work, and coming home to a full frame 5d there is a big difference in spacial rendering with the larger format. Sort of how 6x4.5 negs look so much more 'real' and smooth than 35mm negs.

[gavinlg]

DigitalRev Nikon V1 review

Had to laugh at this - almost exactly mirrors my feelings about the camera.

[rxmd]

Originally Posted by fdigital

DigitalRev Nikon V1 review

Had to laugh at this - almost exactly mirrors my feelings about the camera.

There were really two opinions in that video - to put it pointedly, that of a professional photographer who used it to take pictures and seemed quite impressed with how smoothly and fast it operates, and that of a professional gear reviewer who took shots of a bottle on a box at f/4.5 and f/5.6 to discuss bokeh, talked about "Lady Gaga styling", and made dick size jokes about the size of the sensor. Both people liked the quality of the images. Now which of the two almost exactly mirrors your feelings?

It seems that if you care about sensor size and spec sheet comparisons, the camera is not for you, but if you care about ease of operation, it might be. I must say I'm beginning to like the 1 system, if only for the controversy it generates.

[gavinlg]

Originally Posted by rxmd

There were really two opinions in that video - to put it pointedly, that of a professional photographer who used it to take pictures and seemed quite impressed with how smoothly and fast it operates, and that of a professional gear reviewer who took shots of a bottle on a box at f/4.5 and f/5.6 to discuss bokeh, talked about "Lady Gaga styling", and made dick size jokes about the size of the sensor. Both people liked the quality of the images. Now which of the two almost exactly mirrors your feelings?

It seems that if you care about sensor size and spec sheet comparisons, the camera is not for you, but if you care about ease of operation, it might be. I must say I'm beginning to like the 1 system, if only for the controversy it generates.

I agree with Kai's opinion. If you want a camera that can shoot video and still frames at the same time, or bad quality slow motion videos, the nikon 1 is interesting for you. If you want a camera that is small but has the same manual control and creative capability as a proper full-sized camera, the nikon 1 is not interesting. I am the latter. Hence why I use an x100 as my 'small camera', not a nikon 1.