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joachim 04-02-2009 10:45

Black and White filters
 
Hi,

with so many people using B&W film here, I was wondering how many of you use the filters (yellow, green, red, orange, etc) on a regular basis.

Please only fill the poll if you shoot more than 5 rolls/year.

rogue_designer 04-02-2009 10:47

yellow on fairly a regular basis. Unless I'm pushing the film a bunch, since the contrast boost may push my highlights beyond what I can save in processing.

red is in the bag for occasional use. Along with an ND .9 so I can open up the 50/1.2 a bit if desired.

navilluspm 04-02-2009 11:14

My Yellow/Green sees the most action outdoors - but I also use a red from time to time (all depends on the colors I am shooting and how I want them rendered).

Indoors - usually none because I usually need to extra speed.

mabelsound 04-02-2009 11:46

I mostly deal with contrast in lightroom after scanning, so I don't use yellow filters...although I do sometimes use the built-in red filter in my SMC-Pentax 15mm.

bmattock 04-02-2009 11:47

Medium Yellow and Red, mostly.

Drewus 04-02-2009 11:54

Hey guys,

I'm only just getting into playing with B&W film, and was wondering if you could explain how the filters will affect my photo's?

As I understand it, whatever colour I choose will be lightened and the opposite of that colour in the spectrum will be darkened?

What about yellow? considering it is such a prominent colour i'm assuming it would give an all round boost to contrast levels in a shot.

Spider67 04-02-2009 12:34

Orange and Red in then summer

Chris101 04-02-2009 12:41

I use red for architecture and orange for landscape. I use a #29 red for IR film, even Efke, which recommends an 89B or greater. FOr people, I either use a yellow filter (for women to smooth skin) or green for men, to add to their 'swarthiness'. For a surreal bleached out, sci-fi look, I put a 80A cooling filter on.

photo4ls 04-02-2009 12:41

I use Yellow most of time and since I just got
a green filter from Dave, I plan to experiment
w/that to see what I can get.

Nelson

capitalK 04-02-2009 12:49

I use yellow a lot and occasionally red.

laptoprob 04-02-2009 13:21

I have been trying to figure out how the digital filters work in the R-D1. First conclusion is only enhancing contrast in a somewhat brutal way. Digital red works something like orange, but not quite.
There is no filter like a glass one. You can't reproduce the same effect afterwards afaik.
So I plan to use the filters on the R-D1 like I do sometimes on the Digilux 2. And I just got a B&W 093 IR filter! Time to play!

chris000 04-02-2009 13:22

I use a medium yellow for most landscape shots and a light red for architecture - the latter works particularly well for red brickwork!

I do also have a light green filter but really only use it for very occasional forays into portraiture as it seems to work well with skin tones

c.poulton 04-02-2009 13:34

Deep red & Ilford SFX 200 for architectural shoots only.

FrozenInTime 04-02-2009 13:40

Somewhat lazily I have standardized on the B+W 040 orange on all lenses when traveling . They come off went it gets too dark though.

Nokton48 04-02-2009 16:05

I have E39 and E48 Leitz filters, and 40mm and 58mm Canon Slim filters, in yellow, green, orange, and red. Use them all at certain times, depending on subject matter, and desired tonality.

charjohncarter 04-02-2009 16:07

I use red (less Orange, Yellow, and Green; unless I'm doing Gunge or Fringe photogaphy in the style of the Grunge/Fringe Guru; Chris101) with B&W film, but I hate loosing the shadows so I usually take two shots: one with the other without. I also don't like the fact that the in camera meter is not as accurate with the filter on so I tend to use my totally manual cameras and a handheld or the VCII. It took me some time to get the filter factors accurate with my filters so I like to adjust the f stop by hand.

morback 04-02-2009 16:10

My yellow is pretty much glued to my Sonnar which is pretty much glued to my ZI.
All I want is for the clouds and the sky to separate and nice tonality overall.
And it helps protect my lens too since I don't believe in lens caps.

shimokita 04-02-2009 16:38

Yellow is always on the lens (Fujifilm NEOPAN 400 is almost always the film of choice). Like most no filter in low light and even though it's not part of the questionnaire, the PL is almost the only other filter that gets some use.

Casey

DougFord 04-02-2009 17:42

I always use a yellow filter on my RF camera but when using a P&S (grv1 or contax 3) i don't.

craygc 04-02-2009 18:26

Never on small format (135), 40% of the time on medium format (6x7)

bidnez 04-02-2009 21:16

yellow and orange/red, but only on brightish summer and autumn days. For some reason. Hm ...

drewbarb 04-02-2009 22:23

I rarely carry them, so I rarely use them. With larger formats, I use gelatin filters taped behind the lens prolly 40% of the time with b&w fillm, but with 35mm, I rarely bother. If it's going to be scanned, I can mix the curve and contrast all I like later.

Doug 04-02-2009 23:15

I've settled on yellow-green as a general-purpose filter, and sometimes use light orange. Yellow darkens blue, and lightens yellow and skin. But for landscapes the addition of green keeps the foliage from going too dark, thus the yellow-green combo.

Yammerman 04-02-2009 23:33

Always yellow with a bit of red or green. Keep meaning to use orange but it never quite happens.

vbarniev 04-03-2009 08:19

Yellow, orange, red and green; depending on subject, light and tonality that I want.

Bruin 04-03-2009 08:53

Only yellow-green (060) and yellow-orange (040) for me. They're also convenient as 1-stop and 2-stop ND filters, respectively. I got B+W MRC ones so I can leave them on as protection filters if I want. No other filter maker puts their best coatings on B&W filters.

nikon_sam 04-03-2009 10:28

A Medium Yellow for me...I want to give the Red (25) filter a try sometime...
I have been using a 85A filter on one of my MF lenses and it's been okay...
A Polarizer gets used here and there too...

bmattock 04-03-2009 11:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikon_sam (Post 1026963)
A Medium Yellow for me...I want to give the Red (25) filter a try sometime...
I have been using a 85A filter on one of my MF lenses and it's been okay...
A Polarizer gets used here and there too...

There is a place for the deep red filter. Ansel Adams positively loved it. It really does make skies that feature white fluffy clouds into a very dramatic scene. I use one, but I feel it can be overdone without too much effort.

sniki 04-04-2009 02:33

Light yellow and yellow-green often, orange and red sometimes, green for skin tone.

joachim 04-06-2009 08:59

Hi,

looking at the so far poll results, we see a clear double peak distribution. Many folks use these filters on over half of their images (categories 50% - 80%, and 80% - 100%) while many others rarely use them (blow 10%).
While I find the later not that surprising (a mixture out of can't be asked and I need every photon I could possibly get to reach my film) I hadn't expected the high number members using them a lot.
While here are lots of discussion about films, developers and even printing, I rarely found these filters discussed.
As I said, the poll was very interesting and revealed a completely different picture from what I expected.

Thanks to everyone who participated so far.
Joachim

Chris101 04-06-2009 09:29

I'm glad that you were surprised Joachim. Are you going to begin getting into various pieces of colored glass now? ;) I must admit that I am a bit of a filter slut:

http://homepage.mac.com/cheilman1/im...lterzombie.jpg

(And that was 3 years ago! :eek:)

joachim 04-06-2009 10:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris101 (Post 1028833)
I'm glad that you were surprised Joachim. Are you going to begin getting into various pieces of colored glass now? ;) I must admit that I am a bit of a filter slut:

http://homepage.mac.com/cheilman1/im...lterzombie.jpg

(And that was 3 years ago! :eek:)

Oh, I have quite a few of these myself (about 10) without doing to much B&W work. Even the occassional roll of XP2 is a waste in my view without them. When I got my Rolleicord recently (partly as a B&W camera), the first accessoir I got was the yellow filter. By now I have four B&W filters for it and still trying to hunt a "hellrot". I was a bit under the impression that nobody else here bothered - which is clearly wrong according to my poll :)
I am still a bit at a loss, why nobody feels like discussing them :confused: I think they have more of an impact on the final image than different developers have.

Chris101 04-06-2009 12:13

I agree with your final statement in your last post Joachim. Filters have an enormus effect on the image. However, some folks, especially old-old school b&w shooters, are of the opinion that filters are a crutch. I'm from the new-old school, and I disagree. While I don't filter everything, I do use them when it is called for.

bmattock 04-06-2009 12:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris101 (Post 1028948)
I agree with your final statement in your last post Joachim. Filters have an enormus effect on the image. However, some folks, especially old-old school b&w shooters, are of the opinion that filters are a crutch. I'm from the new-old school, and I disagree. While I don't filter everything, I do use them when it is called for.

Where did you get the idea that old-school photographers see filters as a crutch? Filters were considered an essential part of every photographer's gadget bag for nearly a century. I certainly grew up with them, and would not have considered not giving myself the choice to use them in the appropriate circumstances.

ChrisPlatt 04-20-2009 03:31

I always use a yellow-green filter on my RF cameras when shooting BW film.

Chris

sevo 04-27-2009 02:26

Consistently on landscapes (yellow at least is inevitable to keep the sky in range, red or green may be neccessary to differentiate foliage from wood, earth and rocks), occasionally on portraits to bring out different aspects of the skin. None otherwise - time for choosing the proper filter and exposure factors make them rather less suitable for fast handheld shots.

ReeRay 06-13-2009 20:52

Just bought a full range of yellow, yellow/green, orange and medium red.
Yet to see which ones I'll favour but I suspect the yellow/green will see most use.

planetjoe 06-13-2009 21:43

This old thread might get me to rethink my "naked lens" modus operandi. Time to shoot a test/comparo roll.


Cheers,
--joe.

Mablo 06-22-2009 06:07

I seem to use filters mostly during summer months. Yellow-green is my first choice, orange second and red comes third.

notturtle 06-22-2009 08:32

I generally have B&W MRC medium yellow filters attached to all my lenses. This helps give more tone to pale blue skies. They cost me 1/3 of a stop (the paperwork says one stop, but this is not accurate in my usage) and protect the lens. They give me somthing to quickly wipe dust off without worrying about the front element. They are extremely flare resistant and resilient to marks.

I also use organge filters once in a while and normally keep a yellow-orange on my 21mm as I tend to shoot more 'dramatic images' with that lens. If the sky is overcast it has cost me a stop and so I only take it off if I need the speed back. You get so much DOF with a 21 that I rarely need to.

I have red orange and eep red filters but use those less. I would not be without my yellows but could live without the rest.


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