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aizan 02-08-2009 12:03

mamiya 7 users going to buy new fuji?
 
calling all users of the mamiya 7! now that we know the price of the fuji gf670 (at least in japan), do you plan on buying one? i'd like to see a lens comparison before plunking down the cash.

chris000 02-08-2009 12:35

I voted no. Given that I do already own a Mamiya 7 (which I'm very happy with), I'm not sure why would I want buy one whatever the price?

Tuolumne 02-08-2009 12:36

I'd probably just add the 80mm lens to my collection.

/T

nanthor 02-08-2009 13:00

Guess I missed it, what is the price?

Svitantti 02-08-2009 13:19

I believe this new camera has totally different advantages than a Mamiya 7, so I dont really see why many Mamiya users would change to Fuji/Voigtländer.

gdi 02-08-2009 13:22

Personally, I can't imagine why you would need it if you have the Mamiya, but I am sure there are those who will see it differently.

Nanthor - I believe the rumored price is over $2000...

Svitantti 02-08-2009 13:37

In the other thread there is a link to a japanese internet shop that has listed the camera with a price, for about $2500. This is of course just one example and probably not exactly what it will be in the end when others start selling it.

It is obvious that this 6x7 is much smaller when folded than the Mamiya, but also it has one single focal lenght fixed to it and probably is not just as reliable in long run as the Mamiya. You can buy many Super Ikontas etc. for that price. I guess still many enthusiasts could buy it, but for that price I dont see it as a reasonable tool for a photographer who just aims in taking photos... Rather a toy for camera people.

tensai 02-08-2009 14:13

It's ¥218000 at one of the biggest camera retailers here. link.
You get 10% back through a point system - that you do have to spend in their shop. (with the discount that means right now it's 1653 euro or US$2137).

Bob Michaels 02-08-2009 14:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by gdi (Post 989585)
Personally, I can't imagine why you would need it if you have the Mamiya, but I am sure there are those who will see it differently..

My thoughts exactly.

CK Dexter Haven 02-08-2009 14:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Svitantti (Post 989594)
....it has one single focal lenght fixed to it and probably is not just as reliable in long run as the Mamiya. You can buy many Super Ikontas etc. for that price. I guess still many enthusiasts could buy it, but for that price I dont see it as a reasonable tool for a photographer who just aims in taking photos... Rather a toy for camera people.

A Rolleiflex has only one lens attached to it. How many of the world's most important photographs were shot with that camera?

Super Ikontas etc. don't have integral meters, do they? That, for me, changes the game completely. It's like when i first considered buying a Leica. An M3 is a beautiful tool, but without a meter. Then, there was the M6. With a meter, but not the kind of meter i want to use. When the M7 came out, it was the kind of camera that would work the way I wanted it to work, and didn't force me to change my methods for a piece of hardware. This is no different. I want a compact-ish 6x7 travel camera.

Just because it has a bellows and folds doesn't make it 'unreasonable,' nor a toy.

PATB 02-11-2009 08:32

Nope. If I had the money, I'd rather get another lens for the Mamiya.

Svitantti 02-11-2009 08:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by CK Dexter Haven (Post 989622)
A Rolleiflex has only one lens attached to it. How many of the world's most important photographs were shot with that camera?

Super Ikontas etc. don't have integral meters, do they?

Most Rolleiflexes neither have integral meter. Many photographers use handheld meters anyway. Incident light metering is very popular and a good method.

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That, for me, changes the game completely. It's like when i first considered buying a Leica. An M3 is a beautiful tool, but without a meter. Then, there was the M6. With a meter, but not the kind of meter i want to use. When the M7 came out, it was the kind of camera that would work the way I wanted it to work, and didn't force me to change my methods for a piece of hardware. This is no different.
M7 compared to M4-P, M4 etc. is much like this Fuji compared to a Super Ikonta.
To many, an M7 is not among the most reliable or professional tools. It has electronic shutter and more electronics and automation. I could say from my perspective it is a toy for rich people who like Leica. Not really that great as user camera for photographers.

Quote:

I want a compact-ish 6x7 travel camera.
I guess a 1600 EUR 6x7 for a travel camera sounds like what I was talking about.

Quote:

Just because it has a bellows and folds doesn't make it 'unreasonable,' nor a toy.
I know, that is why I am talking about Super Ikontas and Plaubel Makina. Personally I shoow with a Super Baldax 6x6 folder.

hiromu 02-11-2009 08:40

I used to have Mamiya 7II, and if I have money to buy the new Fuji/Voigtlander, then I would buy another Mamiya 7II with 80mm, and keep the change for films/processing...

snausages 02-11-2009 11:50

It would be very nice to throw a metered, RF coupled modern folding MF camera in a messenger bag, but I can't justify buying this camera for myself for the price. My M7, 43mm and 80mm have cost hundreds less.

richdirector 03-03-2009 00:07

I would - it folds small great to travel with and I hated the plastic feel of the Mamiya 7. I currently shoot handheld with a horseman sw612 so not averse to size but prefer to feel the quality. (no pun intended)

nbphoto 03-03-2009 02:08

I dont this its aimed at Mamiya 7 owners to be fair.
I was in a position a few months ago, owning a heavy medium format outfit, and wanting to have a small pocket camera. I wanted a MF travel camera so I did not need to hold 120 and 35mm film in stock. I wanted a built in meter (less to carry). I wanted a normal lens and a wide. etc..
If the new fuji had come along (before the recession), I would have bought one, or waited a bit and see if they come out with a 50-60mm version. In the end I got a M6TTL as it met all the requirements except using the same film stock. If the Fuji had interchangerble lenses I would have it in a heartbeat and sell the Leica. All things to all men (and women)

kram 04-22-2009 09:04

If it was a 6x9 maybe, but a 6x7, no.

craygc 04-23-2009 05:15

Another one for "why would I bother?" I have 2x 7II bodies already and for the price of the folder, I could buy a brand new 7II body + 80mm lens and still get change. Even my 43mm lens - new - was way under that price. Yes, its a space saver but for me, I'm either shooting MF or I'm not so conveniently collapsible body just doesn't deliver any value to me...

Kevin 05-09-2009 01:11

I'm still scratching my head as to why this folder is not digital with a large version of Fuji's super-duper S5 Pro sensor.

nuckabean 05-10-2009 09:09

The only thing I like about it more than my 7 is that it has the 6x6 option and I'd like square sometimes but I'd sell my 7 and get a 6 before I bought one of these guys.

Doug 05-10-2009 18:38

This thread is good for suppressing GAS, thanks. Any of us who foolishly buy this overpriced toy will be roundly criticized and the photos too. If in need of a folder just get a Super Ikonta instead, same thing, really, eh. :)

Gary E 05-10-2009 18:58

At this price it really is hard to justify purchasing and only if for it's significance of photography history. If it were under 2K, it would be an easier decision

JanPB 05-13-2009 09:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Svitantti (Post 991464)
To many, an M7 is not among the most reliable or professional tools. It has electronic shutter and more electronics and automation. I could say from my perspective it is a toy for rich people who like Leica. Not really that great as user camera for photographers.

Its claim to fame is its 43mm lens. It's a very close derivative of Wild Aviogon and no other medium format camera in existence has something like that. Even Hasselblad uses a "mere" Biogon.

Bob Michaels 05-13-2009 13:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Svitantti (Post 991464)
To many, an M7 is not among the most reliable or professional tools.

My Mamiya 7 has shown zero problems and never been to my friendly camera repairman in the five years I have used it constantly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Svitantti (Post 991464)
It has electronic shutter and more electronics and automation.

Yep, the shutter is very accurate. I just replace the battery when it is getting low and it works 100% of the time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Svitantti (Post 991464)
I could say from my perspective it is a toy for rich people who like Leica.

Actually I am neither rich, nor ever owned a Leica as I have never wanted one. I do own one Leica lens.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Svitantti (Post 991464)
Not really that great as user camera for photographers.

I will just say my opinion as a long term Mamiya 7 user differs from yours.

dazedgonebye 05-13-2009 13:54

I don't own a Mamiya 7, but thinking about the gf670 and where it would fit in my bag has me seriously considering a mamiya 7...if that makes any sense.


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