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david b 02-01-2008 12:44

Would you buy the new Fuji Range Finder?
 
Simple. Yes or No.

holzi 02-01-2008 12:50

I voted Yes, even if I don't have the money, but I would - if I only could ;)

spysmart 02-01-2008 12:59

Yes, almost without hesitation ... except preferably in all black

srtiwari 02-01-2008 12:59

Yes. Of course, my GAS will become much more acute if the lens performs anything like that on my Fuji GA645, or the Mamiya 80mm. But, hope the price is not too out of reach !

bmattock 02-01-2008 13:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by holzi
I voted Yes, even if I don't have the money, but I would - if I only could ;)

Ditto. Nothing else to say, but I had to make this line longer.

titrisol 02-01-2008 13:15

Don't know yet.... no specs posted yet
So far I'd rather buy a couple of good SuperIkontas from Jurgen Krechel

ruben 02-01-2008 13:18

Can't decide yet. I need to know if there is a red hole in the back.

mfunnell 02-01-2008 13:22

Yes, as long as the price is "within reason".

...Mike

Solinar 02-01-2008 14:00

Yes, even though I will need to sell off three of my medium format cameras and maybe one of the Leicas to get within the half of what this puppy will cost. I am certain that it will not be inexpensive.

oftheherd 02-01-2008 14:13

Yes. But I will probably wait 20 to 25 years until the used prices on ebay bring it into my price range. :D

sepiareverb 02-01-2008 14:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruben
Can't decide yet. I need to know if there is a red hole in the back.

Excellent Ruben!

I'm absolutely interested even though it isn't a 6x6. A red hole in back with some careful masking might make it a 6x6!!

sooner 02-01-2008 14:34

Love to buy it, if I can afford it. Best of all, I love the fact that Fuji coming out with a MF rangefinder folder, of all things, totally makes all the "film is dead" types so wrong it's just pathetic. If this doesn't blow a little sunshine up your %ss, then nothing will.

Ernst Dinkla 02-01-2008 14:44

As much as I like my 120 folders and I see a nice resemblance in the Fuji to the Bessa II, to the Mamiya Six, I rather like to see Fuji using their excellent sensor technology and make a complete new digital rangefinder design that isn't based on any existing analogue or digital rangefinder design. It must be possible to build a hybrid optical - live view rangefinder that doesn't need the mechanical coupling between lens and rangefinder but could mirror the sensor's image or an optical indication based on the focusing data from that sensor in the optical view-rangefinder. Control of both focus and parallax + the quality of an optical viewfinder. More complex it could even support a zoom lens. The sensor could be 4/3 or APS and have the combined quality of Fuji's compact and APS sensors. A camera size closer to the first Leica or a Pen FT but with a modern optical rangefinder quality. It would surprise me if the image quality couldn't compete with the 6x7 rangefinder folder they suggest now. The labs here in town do not develop 120 slide film anymore, color neg is next and the variety of b&W films one can get diminishes. I doubt Fuji will keep a film plant open just to keep a promise for everyone who buys this folder. This station is passed in a way, the rangefinder concept not.


Ernst Dinkla

luketrash 02-01-2008 14:44

If it's in the sub 1500 dollar range, I'd consider buying it new, which is a very odd thing for me to say. As time goes on, I'm interested in very simple, classy looking cameras and this one looks like it fits the bill.

The main reason I know I'd have to buy it new is that I'm sure it'll be a specialty item hoarded by collectors and I'd have a hard time finding one later at a fair price.

I think people will mock this camera and it's 'slow' lens, but photography is different things to everyone, and it's pretty rare that any manufacturers turn out anything that interests me. This camera actually interests me for several reasons.

CraigK 02-01-2008 15:03

Oui
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_(band)

rich815 02-01-2008 15:12

Depends on the price and the performance.

VictorM. 02-01-2008 15:17

I was so done. And then the Voigt 35/1.4 and now this...

kuzano 02-01-2008 15:24

As in black like this one
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spysmart
Yes, almost without hesitation ... except preferably in all black

I suspect mine is going to be black as well

wlewisiii 02-01-2008 15:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruben
Can't decide yet. I need to know if there is a red hole in the back.

Ruben,
In photos there is a solid back & a frame counter on the top deck next to the wind knob... :D

& I'll get one somehow... ;)

William

kuzano 02-01-2008 15:32

HaH!!! I wondered about that.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sooner
Love to buy it, if I can afford it. Best of all, I love the fact that Fuji coming out with a MF rangefinder folder, of all things, totally makes all the "film is dead" types so wrong it's just pathetic. If this doesn't blow a little sunshine up your %ss, then nothing will.

I've been seeing a bit of "inner light" since finding out about this new Fuji. There was a camera called the Fuji Pet. One just sold on eBay for an insane price. I was thinking they should call this one a Fuji Delight. However, after your comment, I think it should be called a Fuji SSUYA (SunShine Up Your A$$).

Pathetic is a pretty weak description of the "Film is Dead" crowd, and more fitting for the "film will die" group.

spysmart 02-01-2008 15:34

Perfect
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kuzano
I suspect mine is going to be black as well

First picture I've seen of the black one - thanks.

Now, I presume they still make NPH/Pro400 in 220 ?

sepiareverb 02-01-2008 15:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by wlewisiii
Ruben,
In photos there is a solid back & a frame counter on the top deck next to the wind knob... :D ...

There goes my mod.:bang:

jlw 02-01-2008 16:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by david b
Simple. Yes or No.

IS there a new Fuji rangefinder coming?

Is there a link around somewhere that I'm missing?

I saw the text announcement from PMA that they're showing a prototype MF RF camera, but that's all. Somebody on this thread had a picture... where'd that come from?

BTW, I don't think Fuji is doing this as a noble gesture. Makes sense... if you want to sell film, there have to be cameras, so if you're also a camera company, why not use one product to create demand for the other? Corporate-buzzword types call this "synergy"...

And yes, a portable MF camera makes a lot of sense to me. The fact is that 35mm film is a lost cause: DSLRs (and DRFs) produce better image quality, if your final product is an image that will be distributed digitally. But a scanned medium-format image is still very competitive with digitally-captured images.

cmedin 02-01-2008 16:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruben
Can't decide yet. I need to know if there is a red hole in the back.

If it takes 220 like they say, I would say no.

Didn't you just compare this to a Holga in the other thread?

I would probably NOT buy one, just because used MF gear has gotten so cheap. Unless this is priced really aggressively it has decades' worth of equipment to compete with for sales.

GeneW 02-01-2008 16:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by VictorM.
I was so done. And then the Voigt 35/1.4 and now this...

Victor, Victor, Victor ... you know we're never really done ... just ask Frank :)

Gene

Trius 02-01-2008 18:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlw
Makes sense... if you want to sell film, there have to be cameras, so if you're also a camera company, why not use one product to create demand for the other? Corporate-buzzword types call this "synergy"...

Please forward this to:

Antonio Perez, CEO
343 State Street
Rochester, NY 14608

Trius 02-01-2008 18:01

I'm predicting Gene's Hassleblad will be on the block.

etrigan63 02-01-2008 18:11

You need a third choice: What Fuji rangefinder? O_o

Bob Michaels 02-01-2008 18:32

No, I have a Mamiya 7. It's about as perfect a camera as I could ever hope for.

Steve Bellayr 02-01-2008 18:38

Is there any speculation on the time frame it would be available (providing that they do produce it)?

GeneW 02-01-2008 18:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trius
I'm predicting Gene's Hassleblad will be on the block.

Hmmm, not so fast there! Not the Hassy. But maybe the TLR's :)

Gene

Dingo 02-01-2008 18:54

Yes Yes Yes !

In fact I am already planning to convert it into a 'Foldable Xpan' once I get one, as I did before with an old Zeiss Ikon.

He He ...

ruben 02-01-2008 19:05

Boys cool down, I have now several Iskras to sell for cheap, with and without red holes, exchangeable backs, 120/220, f/3.5, etc.

What really socks to me with all these folders is a very simple issue: the hood.
You cannot really go far with the camera opened and the hood mounted as this situation is prompt for bumps. You may have not heard a lot about this complain for the simple reason it is very difficult to find a hood for the Iskra small thread, but I had.

The other way around, opening and closing the camera each time, and threading the hood and unthreading it - not much practical to my taste, unless you are doing portraits in a studio. Loading and unloading a single film each 10 or 9 frames doesn't add "portability", to a type of camera (folder) already cumbersome to begin with.

The bellows is another weak point. They gather dust and don't stand small rain.

So my best advice for the wellfare of all is to continue chating on behalf of purchasing, as to make Fujifilm interested in our bite, and for those among us really serious I advise you to faint by cheap: buy an Iskra.

Cheers,
Ruben

David Goldfarb 02-01-2008 19:12

There are no numbers on 120 roll film backing to correspond to 6x7, so 6x7 cameras and backs never work with the red window.

And, yeah, I want one. I currently use a Voigtlander Perkeo II, and I'd love a similar camera built to modern standards of alignment and film flatness with a coupled rangefinder.

ed1k 02-01-2008 19:28

I said yes, if it will be reasonable priced and 6x6 :) As well as there will be reasonable priced Fuji Neopan 120/220 around at that time these beauties come to market. As much as I like my GS645 I regret it is not 6x6. I know what is 15(30) or 12(24) exposures per roll and it is enough for me. Lately I started to load shorter strips in my 35mm cassettes 'cause 36 exposures film live for too long in my cameras.
They must produce 6x6 version for me. Also I'd order tele-Fuji with some glass like Sonnar 180/4 (if they increase rf base to make it real).

Eduard.

amateriat 02-01-2008 19:50

Ernst: Who's to say Fuji has to choose between these two pursuits? I'd bet they're cooking something up on the digital front along these lines. We're not talking about Kodak here. ;)

I havn't touched a a MF camera in some years, but the last one I had real fun with was a Fuji. Soooo...I say Yes.


- Barrett


- Barrett

John Robertson 02-01-2008 20:04

I bought the original folding Fuji645 new in 1982, worst camera I ever owned bar none. Very unreliable, plastic body developed light leak through crack at the hinge of the front lens board and bellows needed replacing within a few years. The wind/shutter cocking interlink was the real weak point, really badly designed.
A well known s/h dealer here told me he won't touch the original folding 645 with a barge pole.
I just hope Fuji has not made the same mistakes with this one, and learned some lessons.
I hate to pour cold water on this but I would wait while to see just how reliable it is!!!

P.S. I also hope the setting system for time exposures is better designed.

david b 02-01-2008 20:32

yeah.....the xpan is a real piece of crap too. they've made a ton of great cameras since 1982.

BillBingham2 02-01-2008 20:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Robertson
I bought the original folding Fuji645 new in 1982, worst camera I ever owned bar none.

That's what I heard from lots of people. It seemed to be a wonderfully designed camera from a usability perspective (size, format, etc.) but quality of materials was, well below the usual Fuji offering. Heck, it was well below a Brownie!

I voted yes, though I am sure the price will be much higher than I could pick up a used 501 or something like that. I wish CV would come out with one, a screeeeeeming wide angle lens on a MF RF body. That would rock some houses!

B2 (;->

david b 02-01-2008 21:05

sure...ignore everything fuji has done since 1982. it's only been 26 years and they haven't made a quality product since.


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