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jpskenn 12-06-2012 21:45

ALL ZI & ZI SW production stopped
 
Hi, ZI lovers.

I share you a bad news that ALL ZI & ZI SW are discontinued.

Today, Fujiya Camera, a famous shop in JAPAN tweets (*Japanese only) like below.
https://twitter.com/fujiyacamera/sta...34767091081216

It says:
[Finally discontinued!]
Carl Zeiss Zeiss Ikon & Zeiss Ikon SW are discontinued!
Hurry up for limited stock!

After seeing that tweet, I telephoned COSINA about this news.
COSINA says:
- Production is stopped.
- There's no specific production timetable at this moment.

Keep watching the official information.(Not released now)

# Sorry about my poor English

maclaine 12-06-2012 21:47

Funny, the thought that this would happen occurred to me earlier this week. Honestly, I'm surprised it took this long, but it sure is a shame. I had a ZI that was terrific, though sadly it's in someone else's hands now. I wonder what this will do to used prices?

f6andBthere 12-06-2012 22:30

I've always thought the Ikon was in a difficult place price wise ... a fair bit more than a Bessa and pretty much on a par with a user M7 or really mint M6. Fantastic camera though and a shame to see them ceasing production.

kxl 12-06-2012 22:59

The rumor is that they are retrofitting the production lines to start building digital ZI's. ;)

axiom 12-06-2012 23:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by kxl (Post 2024776)
The rumor is that they are retrofitting the production lines to start building digital ZI's. ;)

That would be real nice

CronoZero 12-07-2012 03:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by kxl (Post 2024776)
The rumor is that they are retrofitting the production lines to start building digital ZI's. ;)

You might want to cite sources for this...just because it's on a bunch of wishlists (mine for sure), doesn't mean it's going to happen. Zeiss reps have been denying development of a digital ZI for a year or more now.

DavidKKHansen 12-07-2012 03:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by maclaine (Post 2024759)
...I wonder what this will do to used prices?

Probably around when it's no longer obtainable new from retailers, will the used prices go up 10%. It's a great camera, but not something that sells like hot cakes.

kanzlr 12-07-2012 04:11

I am not really surprised. I wonder which rangefinder to get for a while now, and I would never consider a new ZI when for the price I can get a used M6TTL with recent CLA and 6 months warranty. Even used ZIs are around €700 to €800 depending on condition.

Pickett Wilson 12-07-2012 04:29

It made sense new as a price point between the Cosina RF's and the M7, as a good camera with a lovely bright finder. People buying new at that price point now seem to be buying from among the many digital offerings recently available. The ZI will certainly be missed.

thegman 12-07-2012 04:33

Great camera, nothing lasts forever. Unlike digital, film cameras must compete with cameras made 50 years ago, always going to be a tough market. I wonder now what Cosina will do (if anything). Nobody could have predicted they'd have made a 6x7 folder, so who knows what they'll get up to. Interesting times.

varchs 12-07-2012 05:52

Fortunately I have managed to get mine ! ! !
I wish this end will be the beginning of ZI digital ERA...
and will not stop the production the awesome ZM lenses...

Monochrom 12-07-2012 06:48

...bad news...guess teh economy is not helping...

Have you any news about the line of lenses???

someone said in a previous ost that zeiss was about to launch a new lens for the M mount cameras...did it happen???

:rolleyes:

DavidKKHansen 12-07-2012 07:09

Zeiss is known to be a optical company, not a camera maker. They haven't made a camera in decades (the M-mount Zeiss Ikon is made by Cosina after all).

I get the impression that selling lenses for SLR's and for the M-mount is profitable for them. I doubt they'll seize production of the ZM line.

mile 12-07-2012 07:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by kanzlr (Post 2024879)
I am not really surprised. I wonder which rangefinder to get for a while now, and I would never consider a new ZI when for the price I can get a used M6TTL with recent CLA and 6 months warranty. Even used ZIs are around €700 to €800 depending on condition.

Well, every time I get to hold an ZI for a while, I envy its crystal clear viewfinder. When I first learned about rangefinders, I wanted this ZI. I was brainwashed by 'friends' that I supposedly would end up with a Leica anyway, sooner or later and I should just give in now. Well, I have the M6TTL 0.58, and I think I might have been happier with the ZI. But maybe it is just as they say: the grass is always greener on the other side. ;-) Bye, M.

thegman 12-07-2012 07:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by mile (Post 2024973)
Well, every time I get to hold an ZI for a while, I envy its crystal clear viewfinder. When I first learned about rangefinders, I wanted this ZI. I was brainwashed by 'friends' that I supposedly would end up with a Leica anyway, sooner or later and I should just give in now. Well, I have the M6TTL 0.58, and I think I might have been happier with the ZI. But maybe it is just as they say: the grass is always greener on the other side. ;-) Bye, M.

I traded my ZI for an M6, regretted it right away. I then went to M3 and was much happier, but I still consider just going back to where I started with a ZI.

lam 12-07-2012 07:19

Although sad at first, i'd be interested to see what happens from now.

EdwardKaraa 12-07-2012 07:20

Production stopped and being discontinued are completely different things. Production is done in batches, it's not like they are making them all the time. The frequency of production batches is determined by how fast the stocks are exhausted, which in case of the ZI, is very slow. Anyhow, all film cameras will be discontinued sooner or later.

Mackinaw 12-07-2012 07:36

Not really surprised it was discontinued. Introducing a rangefinder (guaranteed low production) just when the digital market was catching fire about guaranteed it's demise. Like any discontinued film camera, it will be missed.

Jim B.

Roger Hicks 12-07-2012 08:49

The SW, surely, was discontinued some time ago. Linking the ZI and SW in this way makes me slightly suspicious...

And as EdwardKaraa says, Production stopped and being discontinued are completely different things.

Cheers,

R.

Pickett Wilson 12-07-2012 08:55

They stopped making the Silver ZI about nine months ago. I would be surprized if they were still selling many of the black ones.

DavidKKHansen 12-07-2012 09:02

Yeah, and they stopped production of the SW cameras around April of 2011. They can be had for cheap new these days, seems like many retailers are pricing the remaining SW's at retail price.

kxl 12-07-2012 10:45

can you say F-A-C-E-T-I-O-U-S ??? ;););)

Quote:

Originally Posted by CronoZero (Post 2024863)
You might want to cite sources for this...just because it's on a bunch of wishlists (mine for sure), doesn't mean it's going to happen. Zeiss reps have been denying development of a digital ZI for a year or more now.


thegman 12-07-2012 10:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdwardKaraa (Post 2024977)
Anyhow, all film cameras will be discontinued sooner or later.

That is true, but it's also true of any product made by any company.

f16sunshine 12-07-2012 10:53

Nice design and best VF ever. Too bad they were not very robust though. MY RF would slip out of alignment every few months (vertical but still irritating).
Great design effort by the Zeiss/Cosina team overall. If indeed it is a goner I guess those on the market will become a bit cultish.

Mackinaw 12-07-2012 12:36

I lifted this directly from a guy's post on APUG, who is a Zeiss dealer:

"Dear Zeiss Photo Dealer,

Please note, a decision has been made to discontinue the Zeiss Ikon Camera. There is a limited amount of stock on hand, after which the product will no longer be available. We will continue to provide spare parts and service on the camera for the immediate future. This decision also effects the various spare parts for the camera body, such as the camera strap, side grip, camera case and the diopter lenses. These accessories are only available while supplies last.

This decision reflects the ongoing transformation from film to digital capture. While sales of the camera have remained steady over the last several years, it is no longer feasible to continue manufacturing the product.

Carl Zeiss remains committed to manufacturing the ZM lens series and as indicated at Photokina, we will develop at least one new high speed, prime lens during 2013. More information about this product will be announced in the coming year."

Jim B.

bwcolor 12-07-2012 14:22

I've two.. so my question is how long will they be able to supply parts? After all, that is one aspect of the Leica production.. great long term parts and service support. I'm not so sure of the Zeiss policy.

Pickett Wilson 12-07-2012 14:29

"That is one aspect of the Leica production.. great long term parts and service support."

Well, except for the LCD screen on the M8.

Rangefinderfreak 12-07-2012 14:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pickett Wilson (Post 2025283)
"That is one aspect of the Leica production.. great long term parts and service support."

Well, except for the LCD screen on the M8.

Who needs it anyway... tape it shut, so it wonīt break...

Bill58 12-07-2012 15:13

I've handled one and the VF was indeed nice, but I never understood putting it on the market. It seemed to me that it was in-between the Bessas and Leicas quality-wise and maybe 10 years too late.

I wonder if they made any $$ out of it?

On the other hand, a digital one makes a lot of sense.

tjh 12-07-2012 16:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mackinaw (Post 2025183)
I lifted this directly from a guy's post on APUG, who is a Zeiss dealer:

"Dear Zeiss Photo Dealer,

Please note, a decision has been made to discontinue the Zeiss Ikon Camera. There is a limited amount of stock on hand, after which the product will no longer be available. We will continue to provide spare parts and service on the camera for the immediate future. This decision also effects the various spare parts for the camera body, such as the camera strap, side grip, camera case and the diopter lenses. These accessories are only available while supplies last.

Jim B.

I just ordered a diopter for my Zeiss 25mm finder, which takes the same eyepiece lenses as the camera.

BTW, they should have said "This decision AFFECTS ... " . I'm surprised that Zeiss used the wrong word.

Tom

gustavoAvila 12-07-2012 16:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill58 (Post 2025308)
I wonder if they made any $$ out of it?

On the other hand, a digital one makes a lot of sense.

Good question with regard to the ZI $$, but I suspect not, the sale volumes were never significant.

Lens sales, on the other hand, is probably a growing (and attractive) revenue generator.

Zeiss is probably stating (indirectly) that it is simply not worth their while to produce film bodies, and instead, will focus on increasing lens production.

With regard to a digital ZI body, I doubt it. The upfront (and ongoing) investment required to produce and market a competitive body is enormous.

Likely, Zeiss is going to stick with their core competency and produce more lenses, for more body types, end-of-story.

Roger Hicks 12-08-2012 05:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rangefinderfreak (Post 2025299)
Who needs it anyway... tape it shut, so it wonīt break...

Highlight: Anyone who sets the ISO, or white balance, or formats cards in camera, or...

Also, I'm not quite sure how you 'tape it shut', or for that matter, what you mean in this context by 'break'.

Cheers,

R.

Roger Hicks 12-08-2012 05:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwcolor (Post 2025273)
I've two.. so my question is how long will they be able to supply parts? After all, that is one aspect of the Leica production.. great long term parts and service support. I'm not so sure of the Zeiss policy.

And, of course, it's not exactly Zeiss. More Cosina.

Cheers,

R.

Roger Hicks 12-08-2012 05:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill58 (Post 2025308)
I've handled one and the VF was indeed nice, but I never understood putting it on the market. It seemed to me that it was in-between the Bessas and Leicas quality-wise and maybe 10 years too late.

I wonder if they made any $$ out of it?

On the other hand, a digital one makes a lot of sense.

Not to anyone I've ever spoken to at Zeiss or Cosina.

Cheers,

R.

Rangefinderfreak 12-08-2012 05:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger Hicks (Post 2025578)
Highlight: Anyone who sets the ISO, or white balance, or formats cards in camera, or...

Also, I'm not quite sure how you 'tape it shut', or for that matter, what you mean in this context by 'break'.

Cheers,

R.

have you seen the movie "Wide eyes shut" itīs like that, just go ahead, no matter what...

Roger Hicks 12-08-2012 07:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rangefinderfreak (Post 2025615)
have you seen the movie "Wide eyes shut" itīs like that, just go ahead, no matter what...

No, I haven't, so I'm afraid I still don't understand what you're saying.

Cheers,

R.

thompsonks 12-08-2012 08:18

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I think he was joking about turning it into a film camera.

Anyhow: I suppose dealers will sell out their stock at good prices. I'm glad to have acquired one last week – the silver/chrome one that looks so retro. Popflash had it for about 1/2 price. It's one of those incorrectly called a 'demo,' when it really should be called 'refurbished.' (Leica does that, too.)

With 1938 Sonnar, mod by Brian Sweeney:

Kirk

jarski 12-08-2012 08:34

shame to see this happening.. it was nice to see Zeiss made (or branded) rangefinder camera made a comeback least for a while tough, after so many decades.

emilsand 12-08-2012 09:15

I have a Leica MP, a Leica M9P and a Zeiss Ikon. My heart belongs to the Ikon, clunky as it might be.

Pioneer 12-08-2012 09:45

I do enjoy using my Zeiss Ikon. I shoot 4 rolls of film in it to every one I shoot in my M6. I am trying to figure out what makes it "clunky"?


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