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whatever 10-28-2011 19:50

Nikon 1v1, wow
 
This camera I think hits the mark. I'm glad I didn't spring for the Fuji X100. This camera with it's 4 new lens available, including a 10mm and LCD viewfinder is near half price of the X100. Next stop, a local Nikon dealer.
http://www.nikonusa.com/Nikon-Produc...Tabs.TechSpecs

EthanFrank 10-28-2011 19:52

I hope you enjoy it! However, given the size of the sensor, and thus the high crop factor (2.5x IIRC), 10mm lens isn't really remarkable.

Jamie Pillers 10-28-2011 20:17

I played around with the Nikon today at the local camera store. My initial reaction is that its just another re-work of cameras like the Canon G series. But I've read that it has new bells and whistles under the hood that may be special. However, I'll likely not discover those since I have the X100 already. I can say that the Nikon viewfinder is not nearly as nice as the X100's hybrid optical/electronic vf.

whatever 10-28-2011 20:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamie Pillers (Post 1741185)
I played around with the Nikon today at the local camera store. My initial reaction is that its just another re-work of cameras like the Canon G series. But I've read that it has new bells and whistles under the hood that may be special. However, I'll likely not discover those since I have the X100 already. I can say that the Nikon viewfinder is not nearly as nice as the X100's hybrid optical/electronic vf.

This is a good point, I would like to compare the two. The strange thing is all of my local camera dealers ( southern Ca. ) don't deal Fuji. This is a subject you don't see much written about. Even the big box guys don't carry the X100. I have to assume most people bought the X100 on line. I have a Fuji 3D/W3, on line was my only option to purchase.

digitalintrigue 10-28-2011 20:47

The X100 has an APS-C, the Nikon has a tiny sensor. These cameras are not in the same market segment...

Archlich 10-28-2011 21:19

Handled one last week, ISO 3200 looks fine (on the screen), did not like the construction - you can feel the plastic, plus it's really bulky in depth. The pancake is cheaply built, in many ways inferior to the metallish NEX pancake, although I highly doubt if anyone will ever actually use that bumpy focus ring.

The viewfinder is so-so, comparing to the latest offerings from competitors.

At least the thing focuses in low light and is ultra fast indeed. Unlike the X100 with which you have always to struggle.

jsrockit 10-29-2011 03:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatever (Post 1741178)
This camera I think hits the mark. I'm glad I didn't spring for the Fuji X100. This camera with it's 4 new lens available, including a 10mm and LCD viewfinder is near half price of the X100.

If price is your main concern, then fine... but comparing this camera to the X100 is silly. Is it about bargain shopping based or perceived specs or the best tool for the job?

gavinlg 10-29-2011 03:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archlich (Post 1741208)
At least the thing focuses in low light and is ultra fast indeed. Unlike the X100 with which you have always to struggle.

My x100 is quite sufficient for both AF speed and reliability in low light. I was shooting ISO5000 at f2, 1/30th the other night and had no problems.

Also, $900 for the v1, just under 1200 for the x100... not really half the price, or even close to it.

retnull 10-29-2011 04:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatever (Post 1741178)
This camera I think hits the mark. I'm glad I didn't spring for the Fuji X100. This camera with it's 4 new lens available, including a 10mm and LCD viewfinder is near half price of the X100. Next stop, a local Nikon dealer.
http://www.nikonusa.com/Nikon-Produc...Tabs.TechSpecs

Hi, Nikon person!

jippiejee 10-29-2011 05:01

Nikon being afraid to jeopardize their lucrative entry-level dslr sales, launched the most disappointing compact of the year with this small-sensored point and shoot, happily leaving it to the other camera makers like Sony and Olympus to offer compact dslr-quality asp-c cameras. But if you like the Nikon 1, enjoy!

andredossantos 10-29-2011 05:27

At this point, I'd rather just use my IPhone than any camera with a small (p&s size) sensor.

Moriturii 10-29-2011 05:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by digitalintrigue (Post 1741198)
The X100 has an APS-C, the Nikon has a tiny sensor. These cameras are not in the same market segment...

They are. You don't categorize cameras by something poxy as sensor size. These two cameras, that happen to have different size sensors, and also they are in different colors, are marketed to more or less exact same category of buyers. They are in the same segment. Serious amateurs / great 'pocket' cameras for pros.

... If the sensor, if it's size of a pin or a large format size, can deliver great quality pictures at various ISO settings, thats it! That is all that matters. It has done it's job and it is good.

Common sense isn't very common.

flip 10-29-2011 05:38

Given the native market here, it kinda makes sense that Nikon would do something this tiny. I mean, there are point n shoots about the size of a deck of cards now. To give potential buyers in that segment something that is more "pro" is good positioning. I rather think that the Japanese are waiting to see what happens with the Sony experiments in Nex -land. If they go FF in a year or so and it flies.... That will be a shakeup. {For my part, I think a digital Nikon RF will happen}

gavinlg 10-29-2011 05:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moriturii (Post 1741397)
They are. You don't categorize cameras by something poxy as sensor size. These two cameras, that happen to have different size sensors, and also they are in different colors, are marketed to more or less exact same category of buyers. They are in the same segment. Serious amateurs / great 'pocket' cameras for pros.

... If the sensor, if it's size of a pin or a large format size, can deliver great quality pictures at various ISO settings, thats it! That is all that matters. It has done it's job and it is good.

Common sense isn't very common.

Considering the nikon 1 series doesn't have even an external mode dial with PASM modes, and offers very little in the way of manual control, it's not really markets to serious amateurs or pros. Nikon themselves have said it's marketed to people upgrading from a point and shoot but not confident enough to go to a DSLR.

andredossantos 10-29-2011 05:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moriturii (Post 1741397)
If the sensor, if it's size of a pin or a large format size, can deliver great quality pictures at various ISO settings, thats it! That is all that matters. It has done it's job and it is good.

Common sense isn't very common.

Not sure if Im one of the ones due to my mention of "tiny" sensor but let me clarify. A small sensor doesn't make a camera bad per se. I just think that the sensor in my phone is good enough where carrying a p&s with a comparably small sensor is redundant.

whatever 10-29-2011 22:29

The old my sensor is bigger than your sensor story.
Now where have I heard that before?

chrismoret 10-29-2011 23:31

Spotted one yesterday at our local photo store window. Putting all the comments together I should leave it just there.... :-)

luuca 10-29-2011 23:55

size of the sensor matters.

I hardly put up with my aps-c based nex5, can't imagine a 2,5 crop factor...

the more the sensor size decreases, the more the image results flat to my eyes.
so, for me no N1, thanks :D

250swb 10-30-2011 00:02

It is a camera aimed squarely at getting people who are nervous about interchangable lenses into more serious photography. Yes, the secrets lie 'under the hood', not in the sensor, but the ability for reasonably good video and image capture from video or fast sequence. Its like saying to your novice rebel fighter 'here is a machine gun and if you fire off a clip one bullet will hit the target'. What novice wouldn't want one of those? I wouldn't call it an enthusiasts camera, it is for rank amateurs.

Steve

gavinlg 10-30-2011 01:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by luuca (Post 1742003)
size of the sensor matters.

I hardly put up with my aps-c based nex5, can't imagine a 2,5 crop factor...

the more the sensor size decreases, the more the image results flat to my eyes.
so, for me no N1, thanks :D

+100

I use aps-c cameras all day long at work, and coming home to a full frame 5d there is a big difference in spacial rendering with the larger format. Sort of how 6x4.5 negs look so much more 'real' and smooth than 35mm negs.

jsrockit 10-31-2011 03:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by andredossantos (Post 1741414)
I just think that the sensor in my phone is good enough where carrying a p&s with a comparably small sensor is redundant.

But Andre, you do have to admit that certain P&S cameras have better ergonomics and are funner to use / more versatile.

gavinlg 10-31-2011 03:59

DigitalRev Nikon V1 review

Had to laugh at this - almost exactly mirrors my feelings about the camera.

Nikon Bob 10-31-2011 04:19

I really enjoy Kai's reviews and this one was no exception.

Bob

NLewis 10-31-2011 04:26

I think that review was interesting. One guy was obviously a photographer and the other a gear-fondler. If you keep ISO at 1600 or below, the camera has some interesting features. Note that the photographer guy immediately went for the 10-100mm lens, which, although it makes the camera non-pocketable, is about the same size as the Zeiss 24/2 for NEX. He also poked fun at the hobbyists and their pockets full of prime lenses. He also enthused about mounting F lenses on the camera (???). If you use the 70-300 lens, the long end would be at 800mm-equivalent.

The gear-fondler shows off the "poor DOF" using a zoom lens at f/5.6. Duh.

Ezzie 10-31-2011 05:12

To put things into perspective. The sensor is small, but not tiny. Its 3 times the size of a Canon G12 sensor, its half the size of a m43 sensor, its slightly less than a third of a APS-C sensor, and slightly larger than 1/8th of a full frame sensor.


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