tri x push to 800 use d76, fine grain?

[foon]

hi i have some tri x pushed to 800, didn't know what kind of subject i was going to shoot and i like grain so didn't thought about it...

now i've shot some and think maybe finer grain would be more suitable, as d76's my only developer right now, is it possible to develop it so there isn't much grain??

what dilution and temperature/time would you suggest

[kaiyen]

a 1 stop push isn't a big deal with TXT. If you want finer grain, don't dilute it, or only dilute it 1+1. MDC lists EI 400 in D76 stock for 6:45. For 1600, it lists 9:30. So somewhere in there would be a good time for 800, and grain will be as long as possible.

allan

[titrisol]

D76 should work fine for what you want.

I don't know how much grain would be unaceptable but straight D76 should render a smallish grain.
As kaiyen said somewhre around 7:30 should be fine.

Otherwise I'd be tempted to use DDX or Xtol

[dcsang]

hehehe.. I've seen threads here (by searching for them) with folks, merciful I think, pushing Tri-X up to 12,800 and using stand development for it :)

It looks wicked and that's what I intend on trying next :D

Dave

[foon]

thanks everyone...i've developed it full strength,
need to scan them tonight to see how the grain is

make lots of mistake when developing though......:(

[kaiyen]

the EI 12,800 shot I've seen was agitation once every 5 minutes. That's not really stand development...but definitely looks pretty cool. I'm interested to see what the negative itself looks like.

I've only ever gone there with Delta 3200. I haven't needed to go there much, though.

allan

[Skinny McGee]

i think I over agitated alittle but I am happy with the look I was a very dark stage and room

[Skinny McGee]

here is Kodak recommendations

http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/support/techPubs/f9/f9.jhtml#08

[kiev4a]

I'm a big D-76 fan for notmal development but for pushing -- even a little bit -- I would probably go with HC-110 which can be dilluted about 9,000 different ways. It seems to put a little more snap into low light shots.

[Skinny McGee]

Rodonal is a great pusher ....... i think it was "Merciful "that put an image up about two weeks ago that he shot on Trix pushed to 12800 dev. with rodinal and agitated every 5 mins that awsome .. that is the reson that I think I agitated mine to much because his had much more detail and grey tones than mine. here is the Thread

Push it; push it real good.

[Skinny McGee]

Rodinal push....... This was listed a while ago by a RFF member


Pushing film to 12,800


All the times were for Rodinal 1:50. Easy way to get 1:50 is 10cc Rodinal with water added to make 500cc. In the US this gets me 16 ounces of Rodinal at 1:50

The times were:

TX ASA12,800 51 minutes

TX ASA 3200 30 minutes

TX ASA 1600 22 minutes

All were at 68F/20C. Agitation is first 30 secs, and then every 5 minutes agitate again for 5 seconds, then wait another 5 minutes. There is always some variation in peoples technique. The key is to always do it the same and you'll find more exact times for you. For example it took me 8-10 secs. to finish my 5 inversions of the tank. Not really a big deal

[kaiyen]

Rodonal is a great pusher

That should be qualified at least somewhat...Rodinal can be used effectively for pushing if particular techniques are used. With a developer that is designed for pushing, such as Microphen, you can use regular agitation (10s every minute) and get printable results. You push just by extending development time.

However, with Rodinal, you can't really just toss it in the soup for an hour with normal agitation and get usable results. It's only with the heavily reduced agitation that you can get results like that. This allows compensation to kick in, controlling highlights and pulling the maximum amount of shadow detail out.

allan

[Poptart]

Rodinal won't exactly give you fine grain . . . the common chemical added to developers that contributes to finer grain is "sodium sulfite." It should be freely available at any good chemist's and you may add as much as you want to achieve the result you desire. I would start with 100g/litre and add more if the grain is still too large.

[foon]

i believe continue using tri x won't be good enough for the grain factor
is plus x's grain much finer? or plus x pulled to something like EI50? would that be good?

coz i think some shots look better with grain, and some just don't
and i believe really smooth and grainless is what i really want for some of my pictures

[Todd.Hanz]

I would try Xtol, smaller grain and a bit sharper, or Diafine!

Todd