View Full Version : Fuji X100 Digital SOMETHING from Fujifilm
jbielikowski
09-19-2010, 14:10
It's called X100 and look awesome. holy cow!
http://dpreview.com/news/1009/10091910fujifilmx100.asp
Greyscale
09-19-2010, 14:14
Oh, so pretty.
Optical VF. At last. I knew things would get better if I waited. If it works as well as it looks...
Oh, wow. It's a frikken' digital Hexar!!! (A boy can hope...)
Edited to add: unless there are deal-breaking flaws, this is — at long last —*the* camera that might get me to put down my M6 (or at least, join the M6 in my bag). In terms of form factor, it is immensely more appealing than any digital RF or equivalent that I've ever seen.
the clouds parted, and angels began to sing!
:angel:
capitalK
09-19-2010, 14:36
My next digital?
That's the best looking digital I've ever seen.
Please be affordable
Please be affordable
Please be affordable
Nice lens specs - built in ND filter too!
Looks like someone is on the right track.
Now the big question...how much?
antiquark
09-19-2010, 14:39
http://www.dpreview.com/news/1009/10091910fujifilmx100.asp
Fujifilm has announced the X100, a large-sensor compact camera aimed at professional and enthusiast photographers. Based around a 12Mp APS-C CMOS sensor, Fuji EXR processor and 23mm F2 Fujinon lens (equivalent to a 35mm semi-wideangle), the classically-styled camera features traditional analogue controls for shutter speed, aperture and exposure compensation. Of particular note is the new 'hybrid' viewfinder system which allows the user to switch between optical and electronic viewfinders and project detailed shooting information into the OVF. The spec is rounded off by 720p HD movie recording, a 460k dot 2.8" LCD, flash hot shoe, and magnesium alloy top and base-plate castings. The camera will be available from early 2011.
http://a.img-dpreview.com/news/1009/fujifilm/X100-001.jpg
If this was Facebook, I would click "Like" :D
Finally, somebody has been really listening!! If it lives up to expectations, this is going to FLY off the shelves!
Santtu Määttänen
09-19-2010, 14:42
If this one is anywhere near my price range I'll pre-order one. Amazing looker! And specs look great as well. As long as it delivers what it should it will be a success among people around here :)
principe azul
09-19-2010, 14:45
Looks like the shutter release would be in the way of the shutter speed dial if you wanted to used your forefinger, making a thumb easier. If so, the Hexar RF top plate would work better.
Anyway, kudos to Fuji - a much better idea for retro lovers than a Minox digicam hidden inside a miniature Leica M3! Fuji - innovative cameras, fantastic film, and I even buy their SD cards.
http://www.fujifilm.com/news/img/news/n100920/pic_05.jpg
It will be interesting to see what they mean by fast autofocus. Of course, pricing will be a bit stiff.
jamesdfloyd
09-19-2010, 14:49
Is this the imfamously rumored "digital rangefinder" that we where all teased about earlier this year. I thought that it was a Canon, then the Nikon "Executive" said recently that they where going to make one. Or is this just the first wave of camera makes finally listening to true camera users?
Consirpacy thought...all the M8's suddenly going down in price the past 2-months?!?! Fuji...of all camera makers seems to have listened.
Guess on the price?
J.D.
jamesdfloyd
09-19-2010, 14:50
...or are we being punked?
Bring it on Fuji !!!!!
Looks Great
Didn't read any Manual Focus option though, to make it a truly Retro Experience., now to make one with Interchangeable lenses on the same body! Choice is good!
May the autofocus be fast...please.
A beautiful empty suit, but sure to make the X1 sales slip.
Downloadable Brochure:
http://www.fujifilm.com/photokina2010/pdf/catalogue/finepix_x100_catalog.pdf
emraphoto
09-19-2010, 14:55
Oh my! If this thing has the dynamic range of say an S5 and solid manual focus interface... I'll take two!
That crashing sound you just heard was the price of X-1's going through the floor. I hope this costs Father Leica a lot of sales. This is the camera that they should have made.
Alpacaman
09-19-2010, 14:55
Dammit, its so niiiiicccccceeeeeeee.
capitalK
09-19-2010, 14:57
I'd pay up to $1200 without thinking. Any more and I'd have to think about it.
Looks like the shutter release would be in the way of the shutter speed dial if you wanted to used your forefinger, making a thumb easier.
It looks fine. Probably not a lot different than using your forefinger to change shutter speeds on an M.
Downloadable Brochure: http://www.fujifilm.com/photokina2010/pdf/catalogue/finepix_x100_catalog.pdf
Wcarpenter
09-19-2010, 14:58
It certainly takes some design cues from Leica. Looks like a cool camera, and I like the inclusion of the viewfinder. The lack of viewfinder is my primary complaint regarding the X1.
jamesdfloyd
09-19-2010, 15:00
I hate to be the wet blanket on this thread, but I have to ask; what are they not telling us? Or am I just a skeptical consumer?
Just image; a digital rangefinder arms race between, Leica, Nikon, Canon, Fuji..."brand X"!!! The first one to have "everything" & M lenses at $2,000 will be the winner.
I agree with much of what is said but I find the "styling" regrettable. I wish they had been less concerned about making it look "retro," though the controls seem to be all in the right places and that counts for a lot. It seem to me it just calls attention to itself. Wish it had just been more plain and utilitarian. I hope, at least, it's AF. I would assume so.
I agree with much of what is said but I find the "styling" regrettable. I wish they had been less concerned about making it look "retro," though the controls seem to be all in the right places and that counts for a lot. It seem to me it just calls attention to itself. Wish it had just been more plain and utilitarian. I hope, at least, it's AF. I would assume so.
Specs say fast contrast autofocus. You have to wonder if they really mean 'fast'. Previous leaks have suggested that they do mean fast. Fingers crossed.
Thanks bwcolor! The MTFs (in the brochure linked above) are ass-kicking by f/4. I've NEVER seen a mfr. provide MTFs for a fixed-lens digicam before -- did Father Leica do so for the X1?
This is VERY promising.
Santtu Määttänen
09-19-2010, 15:06
http://www.finepix-x100.com/
(http://www.finepix-x100.com/)
Hey Mods, can we get the threads on this merged?
Alpacaman
09-19-2010, 15:13
I like that VF, I hope it catches on in other cameras. I think the bar has been raised for Panasonic and Leica.
Viktor Sebastian
09-19-2010, 15:13
X1 or X100. The choice is simple.
This will cost more than the Leica, but nevertheless (assuming it all works) it's going to kill sales of the X1. I wonder what Leica can pull out of the hat at Photokina ?
Brian Sweeney
09-19-2010, 15:15
Wow, that looks nice.
It looks to be in the same class as the X1: high-end, fixed-lens camera, basically a digital version of cameras such as the Contax T series, Hexar, Nikon 35Ti.
I am guessing $1800~$2,000 price range, just comparing this with a mu-43 camera.
The only things I don't see here are: (1) validation that the AF really is fast; (2) figures on the lens's geometric distortion; (3) DNG as native RAW format; and (4) weather sealing.
Everything else looks really, really good, and the stuff I've just mentioned are all just unknowns.
If they can come in at $2000 US or less, they will sell a lot of these.
HA! Fuji's server is swamped. Can't get in.
I hope Brian is right with the price range. This could be the first digital camera I use - but only if there is an economic way of printing black-and-white at a good quality !
I agree with much of what is said but I find the "styling" regrettable. I wish they had been less concerned about making it look "retro," though the controls seem to be all in the right places and that counts for a lot. It seem to me it just calls attention to itself. Wish it had just been more plain and utilitarian. I hope, at least, it's AF. I would assume so.
ditto. i'm not a fan of the retro look at all. something more modern with the contours of the leica cl, minolta cle, zeiss ikon, hexar rf, and contax g would have been greatly preferred.
Brian Sweeney
09-19-2010, 15:24
Hey Mods, can we get the threads on this merged?
I merged the two threads into the first, under Point and Shoot. All posts should not be here, in sequence. Done just to avoid confusion of the "where did I see that".
I suspect this new camera will produce a lot of excitement, and some more threads. It's natural, looks like a Nice camera.
2000 Quattro's on the new Fuji Digital!
ditto. i'm not a fan of the retro look at all. something more modern with the contours of the leica cl, minolta cle, zeiss ikon, hexar rf, and contax g would have been greatly preferred.
The industrial design is absolutely consistent with the recently-released MF folders.
Brian Sweeney
09-19-2010, 15:26
I love where they put the M3 Rewind Lever. I wonder if you can program the function to review all of the images going from most recently taken to first.
Viktor Sebastian
09-19-2010, 15:26
Not much smaller than an M8. Must be lighter though.
Viktor Sebastian
09-19-2010, 15:27
I love where they put the M3 Rewind Lever. I wonder if you can program the function to review all of the images going from most recently taken to first.
It is for switching between the hybrid and optical viewfinder modes.
Love the concept. Love the large sensor. Could live with the fixed lens. Hope the "fast" autofocus really is.
Great! If the hybrid viewfinder is as good as it sounds this is something I would call high tech. From the pictures it seems, that there is also an option for manually setting the focus and the apperture in a traditional way and look at the back, a thumb wheel included also, not to speak of the magnesium alloy body and the overall design! Do I see a diopter correction wheel there? Almost too good to be true.
Between the X100 and the new GF670W, Fuji seems to be pushing all the right buttons. I want both cameras. Badly.
PatrickT
09-19-2010, 15:36
Ummm. I want it. Now. :D
This is the first day of my life. Mr. Fuji brings me exactly what I was hoping and waiting for.
My purchase of the Leica M8 is postponed again, any maybe forever.
The industrial design is absolutely consistent with the recently-released MF folders.
absolutely consistent? this camera's design looks more like a russian rangefinder (no offense intended). the gf670 is much better looking.
i'm also disappointed that it's not black. that should have been a matter of course.
Alpacaman
09-19-2010, 15:41
IMHO it actually looks pretty sexy. Better looking than the X1, in any case.
douglasf13
09-19-2010, 15:45
I must be dreaming. I was about to put all of my DSLR gear on ebay in a couple of weeks, but I was hesitant. Now I have a reason.
absolutely consistent? this camera's design looks more like a russian rangefinder (no offense intended). the gf670 is much better looking.
i'm also disappointed that it's not black. that should have been a matter of course.
In any case it looks a whole lot better than the bloated-just-enough-to-destroy-their-proportions M8 and M9. And if you want it black, I'll sell you a roll of gaffer's tape at my cost (+shipping), and tell you how to use it. ;)
I'm more interested in what it can do than in how it looks. But to my eyes it also looks just right.
Why no interchangeable lens system to go along with it? I guess my complaint also goes to the new folder they announced. I can't travel light with these cameras because I'd have to carry around multiple cameras.
the part in the brochure about the hybrid viewfinder is pretty damn awesome.
helenhill
09-19-2010, 15:53
Want , WANT, WANT
This will bring me into the DIGITAL REALM ....tres Cooool
I could easily carry THAT & a Barnack....:D
So, Leica now knows that the X1 is toast. They now need to pull a rabbit out of their hat
BTW: Very nice looking, but who cares, just so the ergonomics are right and they (Fuji) have addressed the X1 complaints.
CK Dexter Haven
09-19-2010, 15:53
When i first saw it, i shouted out Oh My God. But, why oh why couldn't they have gone one step further and made it with interchangeable lenses? Even if they only had the single lens at release? If i could have this, but with an option of a 30mm f2, i'd be 'super psyched.'
This, despite the gorgeousness, still leaves me having to consider the NEX and all of its lens options. This Fuji seems like something that's great as 'another camera.' Not a 'primary.' I don't like being 'locked into' a focal length that i've WANTED to like, but never had much luck with.
I suppose, like the Hexar AF > Hexar RF, this allows them to market a different model in the future....
I don't shoot digital, but that's a spiffy-looking camera. A bit retro I think.
Why no interchangeable lens system to go along with it? I guess my complaint also goes to the new folder they announced. I can't travel light with these cameras because I'd have to carry around multiple cameras.
So use an M9, or an E-PL1, or a GF1, or a D5000, or an M or an OM and some film. Lots of great cameras with which you can do terrific work. For my purposes this (or something very like it) is a better option than a camera with a bayonet.
Vince Lupo
09-19-2010, 16:00
Please have interchangeable lenses!!!
Hope the shutter is quiet. Interested, too, to see the sync speed and whether there is TTL flash compatibility.
gilpen123
09-19-2010, 16:08
Fuji is known to launch and then a long wait for the production model to come out. I wish I can have this before Christmas.
As for 'retro' ... I don't think it looks retro at all ... it looks sensible, like a camera!
when a woman asks if a piece of clothing makes her look fat, the correct answer is always "no". ;)
Vince Lupo
09-19-2010, 16:14
I definitely think that there are retro elements about the camera -- the little self-timer lever, the viewfinder window in the corner, the classic black and chrome, the shutter speed dial.
But, if the camera is stuck with one lens, it's not much use to me (personally).
Fuji is known to launch and then a long wait for the production model to come out.
Bite your tongue.
bmasonoh
09-19-2010, 16:17
Looks too good to be true. Only thing missing is M-lens compatability. I can definitely see buying this (assuming the price isn't stupid expensive). Can't wait to see some early reviews!
So, Leica now knows that the X1 is toast. They now need to pull a rabbit out of their hat.
If this camera has good AF performance, I don't particularly care what Leica pulls out of its... hat. It's not as though a Leica lens is going to be markedly better on a comparable sensor. Fuji gave Leica their chance. Leica should have done something like this a *long* time ago, but they were (justifably) afraid of killing M sales.
They fell into a reverse-Osborne trap.
Af fujinon asph vs. mf leica M mount
I will take the first one, thank you.
So use an M9, or an E-PL1, or a GF1, or a D5000, or an M or an OM and some film. Lots of great cameras with which you can do terrific work. For my purposes this (or something very like it) is a better option than a camera with a bayonet.
M9: unaffordable. E-PL1/ GF1: no integrated VF, lack of small HQ lenses, small sensor. D5000/ OM: Not small enough. Leica M: unaffordable lenses.
back alley
09-19-2010, 16:23
fuji make nice lenses...this could change the whole dynamic of our film vs. digital discussions...
hteasley
09-19-2010, 16:24
Want this, rather a lot. May sell my X1 for this.
WOW WTF FUJI!!!
This camera looks like a digital hexar! Specs look amazing. I will buy this when it comes out!
The next question is what Sony, Samsung, and the Micro 4/3 vendors will do.
All of those vendors are using, so far as we know, conventional CMOS sensors (without eccentric microlenses, like those used by Leica and now Fuji). This means that for now, they are stuck with relatively telecentric WA lens designs.
I'd say that this suggests some very serious tech development by Fuji. It is tantamount to an announcement of their intent to be major players in the mirrorless market.
Also: note the real-time histogram in the VF HUD. Fantastic.
Hats off to Fuji !!!
My digital M-retrofit project is now officially dead. This is the very camera I want for my early retirement round-the-world trip. :D
I will keep one of of M-mount camera for old-time sake: M2, M6, ZI, or R-D1?
If Fuji could/did do it, Nikon, Canon or someone cannot be far behind...Leica had its chances, the X1 will die first.
Just want to confirm that this camera DOES HAVE A REAL APERTURE RING ON THE LENS!!!!
Also, it has a AF distance scale in the VF, underneath the framelines. Holy crap!
Vince Lupo
09-19-2010, 16:37
I'd like to confirm that this camera's lens is indeed fixed -- meaning, it can't be changed for other lenses?
I'd like to confirm that this camera's lens is indeed fixed -- meaning, it can't be changed for other lenses?
That is correct.
Vince Lupo
09-19-2010, 16:39
That is correct.
No use to me then, though it's a pretty camera.
Vince Lupo
09-19-2010, 16:41
So basically what we have here is a digital equivalent of a Minolta 7s? Or am I missing the boat here?
So basically what we have here is a digital equivalent of a Minolta 7s? Or am I missing the boat here?
Well, yeah, with ISO 6400, better metering, a better lens, and the ability to focus to 10 cm without parallax error. None of this 0.7 m garbage.
I'd like to confirm that this camera's lens is indeed fixed -- meaning, it can't be changed for other lenses?
Yes, it is a fixed lens.
The news of this new Fuji is spreading like wildfire and almost all of the comments are positive. Twitter is going crazy with news of this camera and the Fujifilm website for the camera is offline due to the interest behind it. Incredible.
Vince Lupo
09-19-2010, 16:45
I just wonder what it would have taken for them to have gone a bit further and developed interchangeable lens capabilities? Now that I would have gotten excited about!
NickTrop
09-19-2010, 16:47
That's the best looking digital I've ever seen.
Please be affordable
Please be affordable
Please be affordable
Damn that's one sexy as hell digital, and seems well-spec'd... And I agree with above. If this is affordable and performs 1/2 as good as it looks, this could be a category killer.
Jason Sprenger
09-19-2010, 16:48
I applaud the traditional placement of controls and that hybrid viewfinder looks very interesting. If more dRF cameras from other makers are not likely, perhaps something like this may be a way to have a bright-line finder with solid-state electronic focus confirmation.
Vince - see it as a digital Hexar AF or contax G. It's a back to basics high end fixed lens digital camera. All you need is 35mm anyway!! Besides, I'll bet they expand this range if it's popular.
mervynyan
09-19-2010, 16:52
very nice indeed, time to retire my Olympus Epic and Epic Zoom, watch classified for small fixed lens compacts like crazy-:)
NickTrop
09-19-2010, 16:54
- Gotta tellya... Fuji doesn't get the respect they deserve. I voted for them as "the best camera company" in that poll someone put up. I'm down to one film rangefinder - a Fujica Compact Deluxe. Never heard of it? It's (to me, anyway) the best of the FLRFs I've owned - innovative, perfect, great optics... AND nobody heard of it. They came out with a friggin medium format folder! Gotta love that. And great automated medium format "point-n-shooters"... Fujinon glass doesn't get the respect they deserve either. And, they're a major producer of film both color and black and white. I absolutely love the Finepix F20, and this line of cameras still (arguably) is the best low-light performer among the compacts due to an innovative CCD design. Now this absolutely gorgeous specimen. I don't get why they're only something like 2% in that poll. I might buy this damned thing myself if it's reasonably priced, though I hardly need it.
Vince Lupo
09-19-2010, 16:57
Vince - see it as a digital Hexar AF or contax G. It's a back to basics high end fixed lens digital camera. All you need is 35mm anyway!! Besides, I'll bet they expand this range if it's popular.
If they're trying to market this at professionals among others (as their brochure states), then please give us the feature of interchangeable lenses. Fuji is smart enough and they make outstanding products - they should know how to do this!
I (personally) don't need another camera like this. Even if they had come up with a dedicated 35-50-90 lineup of lenses, I'd be thrilled. But I'll hang onto my money until then, and just be happy with my E-P2.
I voted for them as "the best camera company" in that poll someone put up.
Me, too.
I'll be darned. A Nick Trop post with which I almost entirely agree. This is a day of miracles and wonder.
Fuji is known to launch and then a long wait for the production model to come out. I wish I can have this before Christmas.
Slated for first quarter 2011.
Even if they had come up with a dedicated 35-50-90 lineup of lenses, I'd be thrilled. But I'll hang onto my money until then, and just be happy with my E-P2.
I don't think a 90 would be a lot of fun with a 0.5X finder. But I'd love to see a 24 or 21 equivalent.
I just wonder what it would have taken for them to have gone a bit further and developed interchangeable lens capabilities? Now that I would have gotten excited about!
After posting half a dozen times, in this thread and others, that you want interchangeable lenses, I think that we get it.
Move on please. The NEX-7, Samsung and Leica will get to you in the near future.
Vince Lupo
09-19-2010, 17:02
Believe me - I will.
Bye.
kshapero
09-19-2010, 17:04
I like, I love, I want.
a 90mm may not be fun on a .5 mag finder, BUT if they released a future interchaneable lens version with a zooming finder (ALA XPan) that would be perfect! given the XPan, surely Fuji would have the know-how.
hopefully this opens up more similar models from other manufacturers, competition is always a good thing!
this looks great! if i decide to 'try' digital again in a few years I hope development of similar cameras continues. excellent.
Looks great to me! Fixed non-zoom lens is fine for me. That's part of the challenge/fun of Canonets, GSNs, 7s's and the like. The 'fastness' of the autofocus is not a big deal either. Better if you can turn the AF off, and best if it manual focuses with a ring on the lens!
Looks cool. Until I see how the sexy specs translate to actual IQ, ergonomics, and the rest, just a pretty picture. I love my X1, and the images are outstanding. Perhaps it will come down to a duel of the lenses. One thing for sure, this baby will be the killer if comes in under $800.
Does anyone think a few more like this are going to be announced shortly by other manufacturers?
Very very interesting. The hybrid finder is exactly what I've been looking for, should be very cool! I look forward to reading more.
Now if this WAS a Leica some tool would be whining about the 90% viewfinder coverage. I'm glad this product is being appreciated for it's apparent innovation.
Now, let's see how it performs :)
tightsqueez
09-19-2010, 17:15
Finally... the camera I've been looking to get my girlfriend.
Does anyone think a few more like this are going to be announced shortly by other manufacturers?
I think so, once the initial sales figure come out.
I doubt it will be under $800.
jwhitley
09-19-2010, 17:17
So I can read your mind at the start of this thread: "Why did this bozo just post about a FinePix in this forum?!?" In part, that's because I have no idea quite how to categorize it. To get your own answer to the question "what is it?" you'll have to check out the details from Photokina (http://www.dpreview.com/news/1009/10091910fujifilmx100.asp), via DPReview:
Fujifilm has announced the X100, a large-sensor compact camera aimed at professional and enthusiast photographers. Based around a 12Mp APS-C CMOS sensor, Fuji EXR processor and 23mm F2 Fujinon lens (equivalent to a 35mm semi-wideangle), the classically-styled camera features traditional analogue controls for shutter speed, aperture and exposure compensation. Of particular note is the new 'hybrid' viewfinder system which allows the user to switch between optical and electronic viewfinders and project detailed shooting information into the OVF. Do check out the photos. The X100 looks a bit like the offspring of Sigma DP1 and a Canonet. The hybrid optical/digital VF is especially interesting and if done right may provide an excellent combination of the clarity of optical VFs and the utility of an electronic VF.
kshapero
09-19-2010, 17:18
Finally... the camera I've been looking to get my girlfriend.I'll be your....URG....girlfriend:D:D
It's not like Fuji has never made a professional-grade, fixed lens RF before!
HOLY COW.
It takes a conventional cable release!
Mephiloco
09-19-2010, 17:21
I don't see the issue with the camera being fixed lens. The bulk of the cameras that fuji has been putting out for the past 10+ years have been fixed lens. This allows them to control the variables affecting quality, especially in consideration to digital cameras. The sensor and lens were designed with the other in mind.
I think this is a smart move for Fuji. The only real complaint I see here is that it's a fixed lens, which doesn't bother me. Many of you would use a X1 if it wasn't so crazily priced, and many of you see the value in the Ricoh digitals, despite them being fixed lens. Fujinon lenses are great, it's f2, and has iso up to 6400. The lens is essentially a 35/2. If this thing is in the area of $600-$900 I'd strongly consider one.
I can't imagine it being over $1200, considering the Ricoh GRDIII is something like $800 new, and other fixed lens digitals with larger sensors (excluding the X1) aren't that expensive.
Fuji has the digital experience that Leica doesn't, and their high ISO performance is amazing. The f30 was considered the best low light point and shoot for YEARS after it's release.
I think so, once the initial sales figure come out.
I doubt it will be under $800.
I doubt it will be under $2k.
atlcruiser
09-19-2010, 17:23
Wow.....very interesting
Frank Petronio
09-19-2010, 17:24
Brilliant Common Sense, how Canikon could miss doing this defies all logic but is perfectly predictable.
I bet it comes in at $2499 and isn't in the States until next Summer -- look at how much the 6x7 folder is, plus the exchange rate and the mad rush this is going to generate. But they will still sell out the production.
The only fly in the ointment that I can see is that Fuji will probably butcher the user interface like they've done with all their other digital cameras....
But the really great news is where this type of camera will be in 2012-2013 after the majors see the validation of the concept.
In the meantime, maybe I'll pick up an $1100 X1 next Summer ;-)
Just allow this comparison to really sink in...
http://photorumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/contax-g1-rangefinder.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q51/fdigital/4690177738_780e81760b_b.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/09/9-19-10-finepixx1001.jpg
Wow.
Oh wow, I am going to keep my eyes on this in the future. Seems like a nice upgrade for my Dlux2 as a go everywhere pocket camera. I hate that damn Dlux2
Mephiloco
09-19-2010, 17:28
I can't see this costing more than an X1. It's a fixed lens aps-c sensor camera. I can't see a fixed lens non full frame costing more than a Leica X1, and to price it within even a few hundred dollars seems silly to me, because a lot of people would just spend a few hundred more and get the Leica, even if it is an inferior product, because it says Leica. This happened with the rebranded Panasonic Leica's a few years ago.
Anyways, I think this would have to come in at half of the price of the X1 or less or Fuji is making a huge mistake.
Miserere
09-19-2010, 17:30
A size comparison with the Leica X1, in case anyone's wondering:
http://enticingthelight.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Leica-X1-vs-Fuji-X100.jpg (http://enticingthelight.com/2010/09/19/fujifilm-finepix-x100-where-the-hell-did-this-come-from/)
coelacanth
09-19-2010, 17:30
WOW. I haven't read any details yet, but
Of particular note is the new 'hybrid' viewfinder system which allows the user to switch between optical and electronic viewfinders and project detailed shooting information into the OVF.
This is exactly what I've been waiting to see on mirrorless/large sensor compact.
I'm pretty much sold already.
I love that little 'Fn' button positioned next to the shutter release. I swear upon my first glance it was a little film-counter dial. Nice touch.
I can't see this costing more than an X1.
I can. I wouldn't buy an X1 at half the price, because its finder system is not nearly so capable as the Fuji's, provided that the Fuji's is well-implemented. The entire reason I usually shoot an M is the optical VF. For this reason alone, the two cameras are not remotely comparable.
The X1 is not even slightly interesting to me. This is.
If I wanted a camera with only an LCD on the back, I'd get a Samsung or an NEX or a Micro 4/3 rig.
I can't see this costing more than an X1. It's a fixed lens aps-c sensor camera. I can't see a fixed lens non full frame costing more than a Leica X1, and to price it within even a few hundred dollars seems silly to me, because a lot of people would just spend a few hundred more and get the Leica, even if it is an inferior product, because it says Leica. This happened with the rebranded Panasonic Leica's a few years ago.
Anyways, I think this would have to come in at half of the price of the X1 or less or Fuji is making a huge mistake.
The lens is faster - f2 compared with f2.8, it has special offset microlenses on the sensor to reduce vignetting and corner sharpness falloff, it has a hybrid optical viewfinder with lcd overlay and electronic framelines and info that automatically adjust brightness for the scene.
How could you possibly expect it to be half the price of the x1?
I would say that it comes in at a price of around $1600-$1800us. If you think about it the Olympus e-p2 with viewfinder and basic lens comes in at about $1100us. The x1 is $1900us. It's got to be close to the x1 price considering the specs.
CK Dexter Haven
09-19-2010, 17:36
After posting half a dozen times, in this thread and others, that you want interchangeable lenses, I think that we get it.
Move on please. The NEX-7, Samsung and Leica will get to you in the near future.
Yes.
Only wholly positive reactions here, please.
Its beautiful....if only it could have the NP film system built in to the digital sensor...:)
(sounds like i should just buy a natura)
Eric
I like a lot of things about this camera: larger sensor, fixed, non collapsible 35mm-equivalent lens, viewfinder, aperture ring, traditional dials on top.
I would like to know more about the focusing system. And the price...
raytoei@gmail.com
09-19-2010, 17:40
Hats off to Fujifilm.
I think they found a niche where the other players won't looking, ie. film camera folks in the domestic market. In terms of price, I doubt if it will cost an arm or a leg. As a version 1, it is a lower risk to introduce a fixed lens camera, and should it succeed which is likely, it is not unforeseeable to expect interchangeable lens.
raytoei
NickTrop
09-19-2010, 17:40
Look at everyone getting all excited - including me. If you read the Fuji propaganda, they're tauting their "extensive market analysis" and how they "listened to the market..." LOL. Alls everyone wanted was a reasonable size, a decent fast lens, viewfinder, and some dials for the important stuff instead of a menu system. Blogs have been screaming for something like this for a decade. Is it really all that hard to figure out? - the only downside to this thing might be a slow contrast autofocus but I don't see that happening with a semi-wide fixed lens.
EDIT: Cost guess? I say $990 if only to keep it under a grand to compete with the EVLS and 4/3'rds cameras.
Phew!finder
09-19-2010, 17:44
Ooh yeah looks cool.
One thing I don't get (probably being a bit slow):
How do you know what the AF is focused on? I mean, with the optical, non-TTL viewfinder there's no way to accurately superimpose a little box or whatever to indicate...what with the parallax n'everyfink. I guess there's the distance scale in the VF but still, I'm not too keen on the AF going about its business unmonitored.
Suppose it could just focus on centre, with AF-lock. That'll be ok-enough most of the time...
ruby.monkey
09-19-2010, 17:44
WOW. I haven't read any details yet, but
This is exactly what I've been waiting to see on mirrorless/large sensor compact.
I'm pretty much sold already.
Great idea, but 0.5x magnification with 90% frame coverage looks rather less impressive.
Holy crap that looks like an M body (the front image)
Dave
Hello aperture ring !!
Dave
Ooh yeah looks cool.
One thing I don't get (probably being a bit slow):
How do you know what the AF is focused on? I mean, with the optical, non-TTL viewfinder there's no way to accurately superimpose a little box or whatever to indicate...what with the parallax n'everyfink. I guess there's the distance scale in the VF but still, I'm not too keen on the AF going about its business unmonitored.
Suppose it could just focus on centre, with AF-lock. That'll be ok-enough most of the time...
It has an lcd overlay in the optical viewfinder. Meaning it will tell you what it focuses on. Besides that, if you look at the picture of the viewfinder overlay it has a little box in the middle of the framelines - this could be the AF spot. The frames ARE parallax corrected.
FrozenInTime
09-19-2010, 17:48
Sure looks like an outstanding leap forward.
Fuji:
Can we have it in black please.
Don't forget to provide manual focus presets and have the lens park at those extensions to minimize shutter lag.
mathomas
09-19-2010, 17:51
I've been enthusing over in the getdpi.com forum, and enjoying the reactions here. I'm very excited about this camera. So much more so than I was about the X1, and I'm a Leica fanboy (I do have a Fuji GW690III, so a bit of fanboy-ness can creep in for them, too).
Ken Ford
09-19-2010, 17:51
And to think I was just bemoaning the lack of good DV digital equivalents to the classic Japanese FLRFs of yesterday... wow. Just wow. Love the interface!
Color me there.
With a 23 mm lens, why should (fast or slow) AF be a concern. I'd rather have an AF off switch and a depth of field scale on the lens barrel. I always zone focus with lenses not longer than 35 mm (actual physical FL, not equiv. FL) anyway. That feature would beat many AF system in most situations.
Steve Huff has some photos of the viewfinder. It looks way too cool - http://goo.gl/9QZy
notice the distance estimate? The center spot should be AF confirmation. if that's the fonts being used, then it's really beautiful. if this really kicks off, Fuji maybe the new Konica to Leica products.
Al Patterson
09-19-2010, 18:00
Look at everyone getting all excited - including me. If you read the Fuji propaganda, they're tauting their "extensive market analysis" and how they "listened to the market..." LOL. Alls everyone wanted was a reasonable size, a decent fast lens, viewfinder, and some dials for the important stuff instead of a menu system. Blogs have been screaming for something like this for a decade. Is it really all that hard to figure out? - the only downside to this thing might be a slow contrast autofocus but I don't see that happening with a semi-wide fixed lens.
EDIT: Cost guess? I say $990 if only to keep it under a grand to compete with the EVLS and 4/3'rds cameras.
Now, make this an EVL, it would kick some Samsung and 4/3 butt...
It does look cool though.
digitalintrigue
09-19-2010, 18:02
this link is faster:
http://finepix.com/x100/en/top.html
Now, make this an EVL, it would kick some Samsung and 4/3 butt...
It does look cool though.
It has an electronic viewfinder built in.
Ken Ford
09-19-2010, 18:03
One niggling concern from the brochure: the VF is spec'd at .50x with 90% coverage...
Viktor Sebastian
09-19-2010, 18:04
Quick, jump on ebay while every body else is distracted.
Al Patterson
09-19-2010, 18:04
It has an electronic viewfinder built in.
But it has a fixed lens. Without interchangeable lenses, I'm buying a camera with a zoom lens.
photogdave
09-19-2010, 18:05
The viewfinder has me very excited. Very excited!
It will still be a tough call to spend whatever it costs (I think it will be pricey for that VF technology) for just one focal length. I shoot a Fuji GA645 and I love the lens but sometimes I wish it was a tad longer.
If the X100 had a short range fast zoom similar to my old Panasonic LC1 (28-90mm f2-2.7 I think that was) then I would be even more keen. Maybe that's what the secret new Leica will have?
semordnilap
09-19-2010, 18:07
One niggling concern from the brochure: the VF is spec'd at .50x with 90% coverage...
That's my worry... that the ovf is tunnely, almost an afterthought. hope not.
I think they'll be trying to compete in the m4/3 and other mirrorless market, so the price will be more around there–not leica level for sure.
If it's a hit I'm sure we'll be seeing more like this from other companies...
Ad an f2 lens. That's just... perfect!
Ken Ford
09-19-2010, 18:08
Given that I use a 35 or 40 on my M6 about 90% of the time, this is potentially a dream come true for me.
Now, if we can just talk them into an X101 with a fixed 75/2 for a followup... ;)
Viktor Sebastian
09-19-2010, 18:10
I bet Jeff Ascough is laughing manically.
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87976&page=19
Ken Ford
09-19-2010, 18:11
But it has a fixed lens. Without interchangeable lenses, I'm buying a camera with a zoom lens.
I find this amusing given the cameras listed in your signature.
Engadget has the promotional video posted. It says in the end: Release in early 2011.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/19/fujifilm-intros-finepix-x100-12-3mp-aps-c-based-camera-with-hyb/
WOW. I haven't read any details yet, but
This is exactly what I've been waiting to see on mirrorless/large sensor compact.
I'm pretty much sold already.
Sug... That hybrid finder sounds sweet! Should be nice.
Finally... the camera I've been looking to get my girlfriend.
can i be your girlfrined?
This looks more interesting than the X1 in every way... I expect there will be howls of outrage when the price is announced, whatever it is. But I'll bet Brian is right, that it'll be up in X1 range.
The 23mm f/2 lens is about perfect for a one-lens setup for APS-C, IMHO. And MUCH more compact than a dSLR with 24/2 lens.
With a 23 mm lens, why should (fast or slow) AF be a concern. I'd rather have an AF off switch and a depth of field scale on the lens barrel. I always zone focus with lenses not longer than 35 mm (actual physical FL, not equiv. FL) anyway. That feature would beat many AF system in most situations.
That's cool, but you won't be doing much zone focussing at f/2, should you choose to use it.
Ken Ford
09-19-2010, 18:23
I'm betting US$1699.
WOW. I haven't read any details yet, but
This is exactly what I've been waiting to see on mirrorless/large sensor compact.
I'm pretty much sold already.
Yeah, met too!
Need to read some more, though. Someone just forwarded the link to me, so I rushed here knowing RFF would be way ahead of me!
Of course this has to happen right in the middle of a developing session!
/
mervynyan
09-19-2010, 18:26
http://finepix.com/x100/en/top.html
the viewfinder is awesome
Is this the fastest advancing thread?
On the other hand, judging by the excitement in this thread it almost seems like a lot of people are not satisfied with their current digital gear. :D
djonesii
09-19-2010, 18:26
I'd pay up to $1200 without thinking. Any more and I'd have to think about it.
Guys, let's not get all those marketing suits excited. :bang:
This thing is not worth a penny more than $600 ...... :D
Dave
Boy is that Fuji beautiful! It makes the Leica X1 look sick!!!! It will probably be cheaper too!!!
How about that hybrid system optical viewfinder! And look at the chrome (where is my M9 chrome?)!
This just shows that they can build a camera that looks and feels like a real camera in the digital age! I had it with these push button multi menu monstrosities. I always felt conventional controls are universal and familiar, hence faster to use (progress anyone?).
Give me a full frame one like this with the M mount for under $3,000 and I am sold! I do not care if the top plate is poly carbon, aluminum, etc,,,. As long as it takes great photos and has knobs and dials!
xayraa33
09-19-2010, 18:28
This is the digital version of the Yashica GSN
Oh my! If this thing has the dynamic range of say an S5 and solid manual focus interface... I'll take two!
According to the press release:
the newly developed EXR Processor achieves the highest definition, sensitivity and wide dynamic range image quality of any digital camera produced by Fujifilm.
So...wow. THIS COULD BE IT.
This looks more interesting than the X1 in every way... I expect there will be howls of outrage when the price is announced, whatever it is. But I'll bet Brian is right, that it'll be up in X1 range.
The 23mm f/2 lens is about perfect for a one-lens setup for APS-C, IMHO. And MUCH more compact than a dSLR with 24/2 lens.
I concur with Doug. And I fear that it'll be hella expensive.
Ken Ford
09-19-2010, 18:32
This is the digital version of the Yashica GSN
Exactly. And exactly what I was hoping someone would do.
raytoei@gmail.com
09-19-2010, 18:33
I watched the video
1. the self-timer is actually the switch between optical & digital viewfinder
2. the ending is quite telling "...reignite your love for photography."
I think the camera is quite quite affordable, the 800-1600 range that that has been mentioned is what we are willing to pay, not necessary what the price of the camera will be.
raytoei
shadowfox
09-19-2010, 18:36
Alright! Fuji is on fire now.
I'll just say it. This is what the X1 should have been.
And Fuji knows how to build excellent lenses.
Let's see it in black ;)
monochromejrnl
09-19-2010, 18:36
looks like a halo product for Fujifilm and one that could be priced as such... looks like the hybrid vf may be a game changer if it's any good (optically)... this is the first digital camera that I'm actually looking forward to getting my hands on in a very long time... (this is assuming it comes in at or near the $1500 mark)...
I love the shutter speed dial, aperture setting on the lens, dial for +/- EV. I've got my most-used controls readily available without punching thru a menu. My Fuji MF rangefinders have outstanding lenses, and I've always liked the Fuji LF lenses as well. This looks like a game-changer. I'm thinking that $1699 that Ken suggests is probably where it comes in (not that i wouldn't love it lower). Way to go, Fuji!
I don't understand either why it is a fixed lens body.
mervynyan
09-19-2010, 18:46
the rumor has it that pricing from 120,000-150,000 Yen, so that is 1400-1700usd.
monochromejrnl
09-19-2010, 18:49
I don't understand either why it is a fixed lens body.
didn't Konica release the Hexar AF first... then the RF???
food for thought
coelacanth
09-19-2010, 18:54
Engadget posted a promo video.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/19/fujifilm-intros-finepix-x100-12-3mp-aps-c-based-camera-with-hyb/
There goes my next tax refund...
It's the X100, 100x better then the X1. Think this is just a coincidence?
Hardly.
This is an X1 killer without a doubt.
didn't Konica release the Hexar AF first... then the RF???
food for thought
True. Less market for the fixed after the interchangeable. Although faulting this camera for not being interchangeable is like faulting an apple tree for not dropping oranges.
OK, can I reveal that I am, in fact, a "Luxury Compact Oracle" :)
From February of this year...
On the RF front I'd love to see a hybrid system one day, allowing for a super bright traditional viewfinder with projected framelines and hologram overlay of things like histograms and data (only as desired). Have the technology enhance the traditional experience, leveraging technology to aid the photographer in making his/her digital image.
hteasley
09-19-2010, 19:07
This is an X1 killer without a doubt.
Makes me wish I hadn't gotten a Luigi case for my X1. If this has no shutter lag (the worst feature of the X1), and faster autofocus, I fail to see how it can't beat the X1 like a red-headed stepchild.
Worst case of GAS yet.... I shouldn't be this way, a buddy just emailed me, saying, "I have this Pentax 645N I've never used, I'm sending it to you...." so I shouldn't be jonesing after more gear.
regularchickens
09-19-2010, 19:12
It's not too surprising that this is a fixed-lens camera. It's a prestige piece like the Fuji Klasse series, and it bears some resemblance to those cameras.
I read the DPReview story with my jaw hanging open. This will probably be my next camera, if Fuji can get it released before my m4/3 lust takes over.
Everyone wants a cheap leica.
.
hteasley
09-19-2010, 19:14
Engadget posted a promo video.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/19/fujifilm-intros-finepix-x100-12-3mp-aps-c-based-camera-with-hyb/]
Jesus, I didn't need to see that. Dammit.
PatrickONeill
09-19-2010, 19:20
Everyone wants a cheap leica.
.
I have a feeling that its not going to be cheep.
wont replace my m6 or my canon stuff. but my digilux is now crying in the corner.
gilpen123
09-19-2010, 19:20
Everyone wants something better than Leica digital.
dazedgonebye
09-19-2010, 19:28
For years I've been begging for a digital hexar AF.
sure as heck looks like this is it.
90% of everything I shoot is 35 or 40mm equivalent. Fixed lens would be no real issue for me.
I bet if this goes well, they'll do an interchangeable lens version next.
All this and Fuji colours too...
wow, this looks interesting!
antiquark
09-19-2010, 19:33
Engadget posted a promo video.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/19/fujifilm-intros-finepix-x100-12-3mp-aps-c-based-camera-with-hyb/
Mind-blowing!
coelacanth
09-19-2010, 19:34
Jesus, I didn't need to see that. Dammit.
That's what I said right after I saw the video. :D:bang:
Woah! Impressive looks and specs! Where do I pay?
Cheers,
This was a very bad move by Fujifilm, this camera if it is good as it seems will cannibalize their film sales (as people start abandoning their film fixed lens rangefinders):D:D
that manual aperture dial is killer. :)
elshaneo
09-19-2010, 19:49
This Fujifilm Finepix X100 is the dream come true for most of us here at RFF :D
I can bet that anybody who thought about getting the Leica X1 will instead get the Fujifilm Finepix X100 :)
For years I've been begging for a digital hexar AF.
sure as heck looks like this is it.
90% of everything I shoot is 35 or 40mm equivalent. Fixed lens would be no real issue for me.
I bet if this goes well, they'll do an interchangeable lens version next.
'ZACTLY. :D
MichaelW
09-19-2010, 19:56
Great looking camera. I've been happily using a Nikon 28ti for over a decade & this is exactly the same concept. I also use an Olympus SPn and my M6 has the 35mm f/2 on 95% of the time. Full credit to Fuji for putting this together. I've looked carefully at all the other compact digis - micro 4/3, G11 etc, Sigma whatever. They were all lacking in one or more aspects re image quality of ergonomics. This is the first small digital camera I've seen that appears to satisfy all my criteria. I'm in no hurry to buy, will wait for pricing info and first user reviews, but I'm very interested. Bravo Fuji, well done.
I'm a bit confused regarding the autofocus system. We constantly read complaints regarding lethargic mirrorless contrast sensitivity autofocus systems. Fujifilm develops a new on chip phase detection autofocus that is really fast and yet Fuji claim that this premier camera system uses contrast sensitivity. Their focusing system will make or break this system. What the heck is fast contrast autofocusing and why are they taking this step backwards. Does anyone know the story behind this?
Could someone attending Photokina please ask Fujifilm about the autofocus system?
Could someone attending Photokina please ask Fujifilm about the autofocus system?
YES, please!
Other questions:
- What is the RAW format? Can Fuji be convinced that DNG is a good idea?
- Is there a roadmap for interchangeable lens systems?
- Is there TTL flash metering? If so, whose standard has been adopted?
- What is the sync speed?
- Weather sealing (yeah, right)?
- Geometric distortion of the lens?
- External microphone input for video?
...and one more: Fuji was an original member of the Four Thirds consortium. Any activity on that front?
digitalintrigue
09-19-2010, 20:27
Not every mirrorless system is lethargic. The Panasonics are quite quick and the NEX is nearly as fast.
Japanese rumors say 120,000 to 150,000 yen: http://www.excite.co.jp/News/apple_blog/20100920/Macotakara_9743.html
Argh! the dpreview page is too slow to load!!!
I want to see it!!!
[Edit] Whoa!:eek:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/engadget/videos/1854/
someone posted this yet?! If not... here it is
visiondr
09-19-2010, 20:35
Just wait, it'll have all the dreamy options and performance you are all creaming yourselves over, but it'll be louder than a Nikon F.
cidereye
09-19-2010, 20:45
Just hope the price is not silly now, can't wait to see a test of this to see how it performs! :)
Ronald_H
09-19-2010, 20:47
Wow, I only just found out that it exists and look at the stir it has caused!
I would buy it based on looks alone... make an interchangable lens version and it would be a killer.
back alley
09-19-2010, 20:48
the demo video makes it sound very quiet...
this reminds me of when Kawasaki out-Triumphed the new Triumph Bonneville with their W650.
bob
In another four or five hours we should get some idea if any other manufacturer have a competing product. Since this is not a shelf ready product, I'm sure the product/marketing managers at Leica and perhaps at other manufacturers must be looking at their next move. Bye Bye X1. .. at least until vaporware becomes reality. Fuji has effectively killed X1 sales without actually having to produce a product.
gilpen123
09-19-2010, 20:55
Hmmmm availability early 2011, I can't stand to wait that long.
narsuitus
09-19-2010, 20:59
I am in love!
The X100 looks like the camera I have been waiting for.
I hope it lives up to its specs.
I find it hard to believe but if I buy the X100, I will then own 5 Fuji cameras (the X100 plus two S5 and two medium format rangefinders). Fuji must be doing something right.
loneranger
09-19-2010, 21:00
What I dont understand is, why didnt this come out earlier, the concept is simple, why not in 2007. Are these digital camera makers so tone death.
Harry Lime
09-19-2010, 21:03
Nice.
Fuji just made the camera everyone has been begging Leica to build for the past few years.
Guess who's going to get my money?
hteasley
09-19-2010, 21:08
This is just the first salvo of Photokina. I'd be surprised if this is the only camera targeting this niche, at the show. I'd bet several manufacturers will be coming out with APS-C compacts; those that haven't already committed to m4/3, anyway.
The Fuji X 100 has more useful feature built-in than Leica X1 has ever been conceived. The Leica X1 is dead even if the X100 is priced to match.
The X100 would also challenge the M8/9 equipped with only 35~50mm lens. All eyes must now be on IQ.
The O/EVF is a game changing concept. The EVF is said to be 1.44M in resolution...800 x 600 x RGB? [same as Oly E-P2 or Pany G1/2], good enough for me. 100% EVF coverage is expected and so supported.
If we accept 6Mp (a la RD-1) as being useful, then the 35mm equivalent fixed lens actually covers 35~45mm using the digital zoom technique. Perhaps one day soon, Fuji would actually offer a screw-in 2X extender [a la Canon G7~12]. A 37~70mm range would be very nice.
The APS-C sensor would have 6u pixel size...and ISO 6400 with boost!
Fixed lens means no dust can get in, no need for sensor cleaning gizmo.
The lens aperture ring has an "A" setting, and the shutter speed dial as well...so direct auto mode control. That couple with direct +/- 2 stops exposure compensation, what more would one need. I am sure there will be a menu-selectable auto-ISO setting.
Auto-focus is built-in...another reason for no interchangeable lens as yet. Although the brochure did not say it, why equip the lens with a focusing ring if manual focus is not supported.
What is most interesting is the body dimensions match Leica pre-M8/9. The lens is a thin 20mm thick pancake. No weird strap attachments, no unusual gizmo...
The X100 spec. say .5x OVF magnification, and looks like with dioptric correction built-in [wheel left of eye piece]. I would not doubt Fuji or others would make a VF magnifier...there are plenty of perimeter VF room to use, as much as a 1.25X, making the VF a 0.75.
I have seen no picture to confirm this, but I am sure Fuji would not omit a tripod screw hole.
The camera needs no side grip [more money], no external dioptric correction lens [more money]...the only thing I have not found as yet is reference[s] to image stabilizing, something I don't care for anyway.
digitalintrigue
09-19-2010, 21:14
Tone 'death', heh.
At least Fuji appears to be listening...maybe they were expecting something from other manufacturers and when it didn't (fully) happen they decided to press the 'go' button.
What I dont understand is, why didnt this come out earlier, the concept is simple, why not in 2007. Are these digital camera makers so tone death.
As I said above, the concept it simple, but the implementation is far from simple. In 2007 there were not hi-def VF displays, for example, and the eccentric microlens tech that was required was not available.
Make no mistake. Substantial new engineering went into this camera.
Well, well... my new camera has arrived :)
douglasf13
09-19-2010, 21:26
Everyone needs to check out the lens diagram for this camera. Obviously, there are lens elements inside the "body" of the camera, and the seemingly short lens is a bit of a facade. Sony did something similar with the DSC-R1, which improved the camera's proportions by making the lens look smaller than it really is. This is probably a major reason why the camera is fixed lens.:
http://www.fujifilm.com/news/img/news/n100920/pic_03.gif
The EVF is said to be 1.44M in resolution...800 x 600 x RGB?
The EVF will presumably be 3:2. More like 1500 x 1000 nominal. The LCD on the back is 460k pixels, and eyeballing the aspect ration, it will probably be roughly 800 x 600 nominal.
http://www.fujifilm.com/news/img/news/n100920/pic_03.gif
That aspheric element is insane.
Something *very* promising is that the MTF plots look quite symmetrical (medial vs. saggital). This suggests low astigmatism. The 30 lp/mm trace suggests substantial field curvature at f/4. The curves look quite a lot like the curves for the 50mm Summicron-M. Very promising.
urban_alchemist
09-19-2010, 21:37
To quote De La Soul: Ooh ooh ooh!
And to those questioning how this could come from Fuji: Hasselblad MF cameras are rebadged Fujis, and my X-PanII proudly bears the Fujifilm logo...
wtf...the aperture dial and the shutter speed dial both turn the wrong way!
To quote De La Soul: Ooh ooh ooh!
And to those questioning how this could come from Fuji: Hasselblad MF cameras are rebadged Fujis, and my X-PanII proudly bears the Fujifilm logo...
Fuji makes many optical things most of us have never heard of. Almost 3 decades ago, I was given an 1" think small text Fuji product catalog. 2 evenings of careful reading and I was still going at it.
What! No depth of field scale!?!... screw it...
:)
Maybe it'll be super imposed in the heads up display of the viewfinder... that'll be nice.
Seriously though, my first thought was "WOW!"... as many have mentioned already - I'm wondering about the cost, operational speed, etc...
i am running, not walking, to see this on Wednesday!
seriously, i was just looking at picking up a Hexar AF but, oh my, digital!!!
i will definitely report back :angel:
michaelbialecki
09-19-2010, 21:59
this thing looks awsome.....
How much impact do you guys think rff and possible other photo sites had when Fuji did research on developing this camera?....
cheers, michael
Jamie Pillers
09-19-2010, 21:59
Thanks for the heads-up. This is REALLY close to the ideal. Add an interchangeable lens capability and a image processor so good that raw and white balance adj. are no longer needed, and thus the rear screen no longer needed.
I just read the text in the brochure about the optical viewfinder. It LOOKS like there's a brightline there, with lots of room to spare around it!! So, if that's true, this viewfinder isn't one of those tunnel jobs like on the Canon G series! :-)
What! No depth of field scale!?!... screw it...
:)
Maybe it'll be super imposed in the heads up display of the viewfinder... that'll be nice.
Seriously though, my first thought was "WOW!"... as many have mentioned already - I'm wondering about the cost, operational speed, etc...
when i saw this thread this morning, i thought i'd read through it and post my thoughts.... well... i gave up ;-) it's growing way too fast.
I think i saw a depth of field scale super imposed in the viewfinder. Although not having the depth of scale markings on the lens is a small minus for me. But having it in the viewfinder could actually be better. (well.... or just different)
What! No depth of field scale!?!... screw it...
:)
Maybe it'll be super imposed in the heads up display of the viewfinder... that'll be nice.
Seriously though, my first thought was "WOW!"... as many have mentioned already - I'm wondering about the cost, operational speed, etc...
From the EVF close up on Steve Huff's site, it looks like that is the case. The EVF shows a distance scale.
does this make anybody else's heart skip a beat???
emilsand
09-19-2010, 22:12
I had the chance to play with a Leica X1, and it seems that Fuji was standing behind taking notes. This looks very close to the real thing.
Can't see me affording it, but that doesn't mean I don't like what I see :D
Wow.. I really hope this turns out to be the 'digital Hexar' we're all waiting for.
As for interchangeable lenses, I don't think it would do a camera like this a good service. I've owned AF Hexars and an RF Hexar, and I can only say that the AF version felt more complete; superb integration of functions, viewfinder and optics. In contrast, the Hexar-RF had interchangeable lenses, but never felt so well integrated; manual focus and motorized film advance, a 50mm lens in the kit but a 0.6x finder.. it just was at odds with itself.
If this Fuji is as well thought out as the Hexar-AF was, then I'm certainly interested.
michaelbialecki
09-19-2010, 22:16
man this thread is growing fast....it was only started 8 hours ago and it already has about 6,400 views....
Can't see me affording it, but that doesn't mean I don't like what I see :D
I thought so too but as long as it points cameras to a good direction, I'm fine with it;)
somebody gather all the questions together in one place.
i'll be traveling for the next few days (need to go pack instead of reading this thread), but will be at Photokina on Wednesday.
i will try to get as many questions answered as possible (who knows what they'll have a the booth?) that haven't been answered yet.
cheers!
This is not a large camera; specs say 127 x 75mm, very near the size of the Minolta CLE (depending on exactly how each is measured).
Also, I see the aperture ring rotates opposite Leica M.
Yeah. It looks really cool! I hope the price is not too bad AND that they release it outside the Japanese market...
Shoot, and I just got my soul out of hock... I wonder how long I could use it before my wife noticed....
tom.w.bn
09-19-2010, 22:50
Did anyone notice the text in the brochure "made in Japan is tentative. Production plans are not finalized. Design and specification may be subject to change"?
It may take some time until this or something similar hits the market. Hope the real product won't be too far away from this sketches because it looks sooo good.
Did anyone notice the text in the brochure "made in Japan is tentative. Production plans are not finalized. Design and specification may be subject to change"?
It may take some time until this or something similar hits the market. Hope the real product won't be too far away from this sketches because it looks sooo good.
i don't know about the camera business, but in my profession it's still about 6months or so till early 2011. And we make a more complex stuff than a digital camera. For one of our product that will go to the market for 3/2011 we're not even close to start production yet. So for me at least, this doesn't sound that strange.
tom.w.bn
09-19-2010, 23:08
i don't know about the camera business, but in my profession it's still about 6months or so till early 2011. And we make a more complex stuff than a digital camera. For one of our product that will go to the market for 3/2011 we're not even close to start production yet. So for me at least, this doesn't sound that strange.
What I read from this is that they have to fix the final design and they don't even know if they will do the production in Japan or China or somewhere else. They have a lot to do.
Oh, wow. It's a frikken' digital Hexar!!! (A boy can hope...)
Edited to add: unless there are deal-breaking flaws, this is — at long last —*the* camera that might get me to put down my M6 (or at least, join the M6 in my bag). In terms of form factor, it is immensely more appealing than any digital RF or equivalent that I've ever seen.
Could not be put more exact. I want one!
jorgen83
09-19-2010, 23:22
I'm thinking the aperture dial is NOT backwards. The dot is fixed, and the scale isn't (meaning: the numbers move...). That way, the operation (compared to my summicron) is the same. I suppose that's what the tabs on the side of the lens are for?
Leigh Youdale
09-19-2010, 23:31
All those people pining for an updated Epson RD-1 or a Digital Bessa just got their wish fulfilled! I wonder if Cosina are going to be the manufacturer and this is why Mr K was deaf to pleas for a digital offering.
Anyone else thinks we should also let Fuji take care of the world hunger problem? I'm now pretty sure they'd fix it.
tom.w.bn
09-19-2010, 23:50
In another four or five hours we should get some idea if any other manufacturer have a competing product. Since this is not a shelf ready product, I'm sure the product/marketing managers at Leica and perhaps at other manufacturers must be looking at their next move. Bye Bye X1. .. at least until vaporware becomes reality. Fuji has effectively killed X1 sales without actually having to produce a product.
That's right. Even if the Fuji is not cheaper, it has a lot more to offer. Who buys the X1 now?
tom.w.bn
09-19-2010, 23:51
Anyone else thinks we should also let Fuji take care of the world hunger problem? I'm now pretty sure they'd fix it.
What exactly is your message?
All those people pining for an updated Epson RD-1 or a Digital Bessa just got their wish fulfilled! I wonder if Cosina are going to be the manufacturer and this is why Mr K was deaf to pleas for a digital offering.
??? Where are the interchangeable lenses ? Where is the distance scale on the lens ?
As great as it might look, it is still mainly an AF camera and won't compete with the R-D1, Bessas or M in the street. Yet.
Announcement from Olympus (http://www.dpreview.com/news/1009/10092010olyzuikolenscompact.asp); who cares? Sigma DP1x (http://www.dpreview.com/news/1009/10091701sigmadp1xavailable.asp); also who cares? Nikon G10 (http://www.dpreview.com/news/1009/10091707updatedp7000samples.asp); who cares? Samsung (http://www.dpreview.com/news/1009/10091414samsungnx100.asp). Ditto.
I'm guessing that this Fuji may be the only product at this year's Photokina that actually matters.
Come on Pentax, Nikon, Canon, Leica (ha!). Prove me wrong. I'm guessing they won't.
What exactly is your message?
Mainly that they give people what people need. For a certain price of course :)
dogbunny
09-19-2010, 23:55
It sure is pretty. I like the in viewfinder distance indicator. Are than any examples of the pictures it can produce?
As for interchangeable lenses, Fuji has said this camera is supplementary, not replacing large bag with two DSLRs and lenses.
My guess is after evaluation period, if new camera will be sold as expected, Fuji could go for another model with wide lens. Think about regular and espresso, each has their buyers, just regular is safer bet. So it were with Natura and Klasse - regular and wide versions.
damien.murphy
09-20-2010, 00:06
Absolutely jawdropping, Fuji have knocked it out of the park here. If Fuji can come in at a reasonable price I will ordering one as soon as its available, to keep company with my film M's. The level of interest bodes well, and I see economies of scale allowing Fuji to offer the x100 at a competitive price.
Squinting to read the brochure, I didn't see mention of it, but I hope the x100 offers the ability to scale focus. It also doesn't appear the sensor is of the Fuji-S breed (which allows higher dynamic range), and hope this is something Fuji considers including.
Should the x100 be a roaring success, which I anticipate it will be, I can see Fuji offering a 50mm version.
And just because Fuji is probably crazy enough to consider it, I would like to see a black and white only version, twinned with the S5 sensor for higher dynamic range.
As Apple are fond of saying - this changes everything :)
Sexy to the max, very curious to see that viewfinder for myself. I really like what they did with the controls as well...
If I didn't already have an M8 I would be all over this.
jorgen83
09-20-2010, 00:07
??? Where are the interchangeable lenses ? Where is the distance scale on the lens ?
As great as it might look, it is still mainly an AF camera and won't compete with the R-D1, Bessas or M in the street. Yet.
Who needs a distance scale on the lens when there's a DOF scale in the viewfinder... :rolleyes:
If fuji get it right with its optical/digital viewfinder it could be really something. If this concept shows to work - would there be any reason why this could not be used on exchangeable lens camera? I mean - the Fuji product looks like a CAMERA after long time (looked at the rest). I am wondering whether fuji will also bring a zoom version of this camera (imagine some 25-50 f/2.8 or similar - something like Fuji Sivli f2.8)
As cool as this camera looks - I would like to see one with several fixed focus lenses. And full frame by 2012 :angel:
amateriat
09-20-2010, 00:15
So basically what we have here is a digital equivalent of a Minolta 7s? Or am I missing the boat here?
More like what Konica would've done had they still had their hat in the photography ring. This looks like a heavily breathed-on (and digitized) Hexar AF.
I'm still catching my breath about this thing. If it lives up to just half its expectations, it'll do for the mirroless-digital market what Minolta's Maxxum 7000 AF did to the SLR market: essentially, change the game.
And, for those griping about this being a fixed-lens job, again I look toward Konica: the Hexar AF was an entreé to the Hexar RF. The X100, in my eyes, is therefore not just a potentially fantastic entry into the "mirrorless" digicam market, but also potentially a shot across the bow to Solms regarding the future. Fuji clearly has the means to build this, and they can also build an interchangeable-lens, technologically-embellished (where applicable) RF...where do you think the XPan came from?
Time to make some popcorn. This is the first fun Photokina for me in years.
- Barrett
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