View Full Version : MS Optical 35/3.5 Perar Triplet For M4/3?
jonmanjiro has been discussing, and is now selling, a very interesting hand-assembled, limited-production MS Optical 35/3.5 Perar Triplet lens in Leica M-mount. Here's the thread; you'll find the For Sale ad in the classifieds:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94672
MS Optical is Miyazaki-san in Chiba, Japan. He designs and hand-assembles lenses, and does lensmount conversions as well. The 35/3.5 Perar has a limited production of about 185 units.
I'm tugging coats here because it looks like a great walkaround short tele lens for m4/3. Very small, collapsible, with a focusing lever that should make focusing quicker/easier than, say, an LTM 35/3.5 Summaron, modern glass and coatings, and a cool/quirky backstory. Looks like it would make a great pocketable combo with a GF1 or EPx.
It's not in my budget at the moment, but it looks like at least a couple of RFFers have ordered one, and I figured not everyone here is haunting the Leica M forum.
I have no financial interest in the product or sellers, just have a lust for oddball optics and an unhealthy obsession with things Leica- and Japan-related.
Miyazaki-san also has an interesting 50/1.3.....
I love that line from Dr. Strangelove! (Btw, yes, it's an interesting lens!)
Why start a new thread here on the lens?
digitalintrigue
09-06-2010, 07:54
Yes, it would be an interesting tiny tele for m4/3, or a tiny normal for Sony NEX.
Hi Raid, I wasn't so much trying to start a new thread as trying to draw attention to the existence of this lens and the original thread, since the lens seems like such a good fit for m4/3 use.
Nobody on the thread over at Leica M had mentioned m4/3 (or NEX) use, and nobody here had mentioned the lens at all. It must be the nakoudo (match-maker) instinct in me....
I'm never sure about protocol for things like this. Do the folks cruising Leica M want to read m4/3-related posts about this lens in the Leica M forum? If I didn't bring up the topic here, how many regular M4/3 forum readers would have missed it? How many m4/3ers regularly check out the Leica M forum? Etc, etc, etc....
Why start a new thread here on the lens?
Yes, it would be an interesting tiny tele for m4/3, or a tiny normal for Sony NEX.
Yes, very interesting. Do you need my mailing address?:D
what would be even cooler, is a native mount 4/3 and/or nex version, eliminating the thick adapter needed.
Perhaps just make a NEX version, and someone may make a 4/3 to NEX adapter, if they don't already ...
A Perar in m4/3 mount would be cool, although an M>4/3 adapter is only about 7mm thick, so it's not that bad.
The Sony NEX flange back distance of 18mm is 2mm shallower than m4/3 (20mm), so you'd need an m4/3 lens > NEX body adapter. The other way 'round won't work without negative magnification.
I hadn't realized NEX was shallower than m4/3---no wonder that body is so thin!
The good news is you could use your C/V 25/0.95 m4/3 lens on NEX as soon as somebody busts out an adapter. There will probably be vignetting, though---I wonder how much...
what would be even cooler, is a native mount 4/3 and/or nex version, eliminating the thick adapter needed.
Perhaps just make a NEX version, and someone may make a 4/3 to NEX adapter, if they don't already ...
that's like saying you can use 4/3 lens on aps-c dslr's - not likely with good results ... take a look at the sensor size differences ... wrt image circle size
A Perar in m4/3 mount would be cool, although an M>4/3 adapter is only about 7mm thick, so it's not that bad.
The Sony NEX flange back distance of 18mm is 2mm shallower than m4/3 (20mm), so you'd need an m4/3 lens > NEX body adapter. The other way 'round won't work without negative magnification.
I hadn't realized NEX was shallower than m4/3---no wonder that body is so thin!
The good news is you could use your C/V 25/0.95 m4/3 lens on NEX as soon as somebody busts out an adapter. There will probably be vignetting, though---I wonder how much...
Yes, that's why I said there'd probably be vignetting. But folks are paying over US$1k for decades-old Angenieux 25/0.95 c-mount lenses that vignette heavily on m4/3, so maybe modern vignetting will look cool, too.
Note that I'm mostly joking here....
Saw this lens posted on Japan Exposures website (http://www.japanexposures.com/2010/09/06/ms-optical-super-triplet-perar/), it's a newly designed Cooke triplet designed for M-mount, limited edition. Claims to be made to extremely high standards, at a moderate price (19,900 yen). The lens features tantalum glass elements and a round (Edmunds), rather than polygonal, aperture.
If you take a look at the lens attached to an M8 body, I immediately wonder why we can't have such diminutive yet quality manual lenses for u4/3. Since the same company (MS Optical) also makes u4/3 adapters, I wonder if it isn't just a matter of time before we see something like this released directly for our format.
~Joe
http://www.japanexposures.com/shop/images/lightbox/perar-05.jpg
buzzardkid
09-07-2010, 05:02
We had it, here (http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94672&highlight=perar)
I'm not sure if you had a typo or read wrong, but the price of the lens is 49,000 yen ($500+), not 19,000 yen ($200+). Just trying to make sure nobody's heart gets beating too quickly.
There's a long thread about this lens on the Leica M forum, and I started a mini-thread here.
Very cool lens...
Claims to be made to extremely high standards, at a moderate price (19,900 yen).
Yes, a badly mangled typo on the price, sorry for any misunderstanding. I'll check out the other thread, thanks.
~Joe
jsrockit
02-09-2011, 04:08
So sexy this lens...
Bobfrance
02-09-2011, 04:41
I have one and love it.
The quality is as good as any, but more importantly it turned my M8 into a pocketable camera thus opening up more photo opportinities to me and saving me from the clutches of the X100. ;)
jsrockit
02-09-2011, 06:45
I have one and love it.
The quality is as good as any, but more importantly it turned my M8 into a pocketable camera thus opening up more photo opportinities to me and saving me from the clutches of the X100. ;)
Yes, that is why I like it too... but I'd still have to have a X100! :o
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