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roundg
07-28-2010, 02:42
Now I have my beloved black M5 on the working table, along with the new purchased M6TTL 0.85.

The difference is obvious. The M6 looks more pretty with the right ratio (I mean the ratio of height vs width) when sitting there. But M5 is clearly a winner when it's in your hands --- the extra width give your fingers more room on the right side of the body; and it balances really well with a big lens like a Summilux 50mm.

The speed dial of the M6TTL is much better than a M6 classic, but still can't be compared with the sweet large dial on the M5.

The RF patch of the M5 is better against flare than the M6TTL and the even the black chrome finish feels obviously better than that on the M6TTL.

M5, what a camera.

Keith
07-28-2010, 02:49
I would never call the M5 a beautiful camera but it's certainly handsome IMO!

Rugged good looks but rather odd ... like Chuck Norris! :p

Mablo
07-28-2010, 03:08
I've been planning for a black M5 some day. I don't mind about the looks. Most people outside our small RFF circles think all Leicas look odd and archaic.

rxmd
07-28-2010, 03:13
I've been planning for a black M5 some day. I don't mind about the looks. Most people outside our small RFF circles think all Leicas look odd and archaic.

Inside our small RFF circles, however, they debate on the aesthetic qualities of old-style vulcanite vs. new-style leatherette, on M3 vs. M2 windows, on the virtues of the reflections of the coatings on MP viewfinders vs. M4 viewfinders etc. (I'm exaggerating only the slightest bit.) People worry that a chrome body will be a mismatch to their existing black lenses; no wonder that an extra centimeter at the side of the body sends everybody off base.

P. Lynn Miller
07-28-2010, 03:33
If you could transplant an M3 finder into an M5... that would be a camera!

mabelsound
07-28-2010, 04:13
I find the M5 very appealing, too...

P. Lynn Miller
07-28-2010, 07:00
Fairly reliable as well... just got back in from a night shoot... pouring with rain... was soaked in about 15 minutes... finally pulled the pin I could not keep the front element dry and was struggling to focus because of all water in the rangefinder window. After towel down, the M5 and Nokton 50/1.1 are happily back on the shelf.

Fujitsu
07-28-2010, 07:26
Fairly reliable as well... just got back in from a night shoot... pouring with rain... was soaked in about 15 minutes... finally pulled the pin I could not keep the front element dry and was struggling to focus because of all water in the rangefinder window. After towel down, the M5 and Nokton 50/1.1 are happily back on the shelf.

Prepare for fungus happily growing in your Nokton now. Congrats. That lens is not weather sealed.

P. Lynn Miller
07-28-2010, 07:37
Prepare for fungus happily growing in your Nokton now. Congrats. That lens is not weather sealed.

Could happen... but I doubt it. My 35/1.2 has been even wetter many times and some of my old Nikkors have been completely submerged a few times, even in salt-water without ill-effects. If a lens cannot survive a downpour, then it will not live long in my bag...

I did not get this shot by being afraid of the rain...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2449/3556721766_251eb77825_z.jpg
Taken with my M5 and Nokton 35/1.1

sc_rufctr
07-28-2010, 07:41
I've always loved the M5. It's a no nonsense camera that works with you.

They have always had their own dedicated following. :)

sc_rufctr
07-28-2010, 07:45
Prepare for fungus happily growing in your Nokton now. Congrats. That lens is not weather sealed.

Fungus in a lens is usually caused by incorrect storage.
A short shower wouldn't hurt it unless you didn't bother to wipe it off before storing it away.

If you want to stop fungus... Just use your gear. Get it out and take some photos.

Mr Fungus doesn't like sunlight and fresh air ;)

sc_rufctr
07-28-2010, 07:48
Mr P. Lynn Miller

Great photo. Is that Sydney?

DNG
07-28-2010, 07:55
It just balances nicely
and it IS Handsome indeed!

ferider
07-28-2010, 08:03
Now, now, ... a .85 M6 is not so bad either. At least the meter shows the same value in camera landscape and portrait orientation :) I can recommend the MP finder upgrade, BTW.

Roland.

Gazzah
07-28-2010, 08:07
Just got my M5 - I have only handled an M6 for a few hours and I must say I prefer the 5 - better grip, speed dial, viewfinder - it just feels much nicer - apart from the shutter - it seems heavier to me, maybe I need to try a soft release.
Its taking me some time to get used to the metering after using Bessas with their strange metering shape and digital Nikons with their variations of metering.
But I do love the M5..

sc_rufctr
07-28-2010, 08:10
Just got my M5 - I have only handled an M6 for a few hours and I must say I prefer the 5 - better grip, speed dial, viewfinder - it just feels much nicer - apart from the shutter - it seems heavier to me, maybe I need to try a soft release.
Its taking me some time to get used to the metering after using Bessas with their strange metering shape and digital Nikons with their variations of metering.
But I do love the M5..

Excellent... Now go out and buy some film and take heaps of beautiful photos with it.

P. Lynn Miller
07-28-2010, 08:12
Now, now, ... a .85 M6 is not so bad either. At least the meter shows the same value in camera landscape and portrait orientation :) I can recommend the MP finder upgrade...

Roland,

Where and how much... I have sent several E-mails to known Leica mechanics regarding upgrading to a .85 finder, but never had a reply.

Thanks!

Great photo. Is that Sydney?

Yes... taken at the corner of Crown and Oxford.

Krosya
07-28-2010, 08:13
I've always loved the M5. It's a no nonsense camera that works with you.

They have always had their own dedicated following. :)

I keep telling you all - M5 is the best M film Leica. ;) I sure love mine:

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu192/krosya/cameras/IMG_0016.jpg

TennesseJones
07-28-2010, 08:15
great shot!

Could happen... but I doubt it. My 35/1.2 has been even wetter many times and some of my old Nikkors have been completely submerged a few times, even in salt-water without ill-effects. If a lens cannot survive a downpour, then it will not live long in my bag...

I did not get this shot by being afraid of the rain...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2449/3556721766_251eb77825_z.jpg
Taken with my M5 and Nokton 35/1.1

ferider
07-28-2010, 08:16
Lynn, great photo !

I've had the upgrade done at http://www.stevecamera.com. Not sure about price, it was in the context of other stuff (meter replacement and CLA). But they are very responsive.

Just re-read your email: this was only an M6 -> MP anti-flare upgrade. Not a change of magnification and I don't own an M5.

Roland.

P. Lynn Miller
07-28-2010, 08:25
Lynn, great photo !

I've had the upgrade done at http://www.stevecamera.com. Not sure about price, it was in the context of other stuff (meter replacement and CLA). But they are very responsive.

Roland,

Thanks for the compliment on the photo!

I will get in touch with them about upgrading my M5 to a .85 finder. What frame-line did you choose?

In my opinion the M5 is not about the normal compact, light-weight RF style, but about being to utilize the key advantages of a rangefinder camera in the most efficient method. That is the actual method of focusing by coincident is still the easiest way to accurately focus in no light, the meter of the M5 is a spot allowing very precise light readings, and the size and weight of the M5 balances nicely with big lenses, Nokton 35/1.2, Nokton 50/1.1, Summicron 90, and I suspect that Noctilux and Summilux 75 would handle nicely as well. And the density of the M5 allows hand-helding at ridiculously low shutter speeds with a reasonable success rate.

Just my opinion... of course!

Vickko
07-28-2010, 08:46
The M5 is the perfect camera for some of the larger Leica lenses, e.g. Noctilux, 75 Summilux, and I anticipate nicely balances a 21mm Summilux

Vick

lemalk
07-28-2010, 08:53
Ugh. This makes me miss the M5 I sold last year.
It was just a perfect camera. The size, weight - everything!

...then I remember the cost and pain of film.

Until I win the lotto, digital is the way to go.

But...congratulations to all the M5 owners out there. It is a *phenomenal* camera.

kdemas
07-28-2010, 09:05
I totally agree, the M5 is really nice for larger lenses. I enjoy the ergonomics in general with any lens.

It also has one of the nicest finders for the 50mm focal length and, in my opinion, the quietest shutter of any M.

zleica
07-28-2010, 09:20
M5, by far, the best user body of all M cameras.

BillBlackwell
07-28-2010, 09:32
M5 - What, a camera? :eek:

helenhill_HH
07-28-2010, 13:06
I had an opportunity to have an M5 loaned to me
i LOVED it !!!!
so much so that I am in the process of now Purchasing it
The shutter speed dial is Supreme, the Meter spot on, the Size/Weight keeps me Steady
and I LOVE the boxy Shape with the Beautiful White engraving
and NO red Dot...yea !!!

in the past I have Owned an M2 & M4 / now an M6ttl .58
but the FAVORITE will be the M5

kdemas
07-28-2010, 13:55
I had an opportunity to have an M5 loaned to me
i LOVED it !!!!
so much so that I am in the process of now Purchasing it
The shutter speed dial is Supreme, the Meter spot on, the Size/Weight keeps me Steady
and I LOVE the boxy Shape with the Beautiful White engraving
and NO red Dot...yea !!!

in the past I have Owned an M2 & M4 / now an M6ttl .58
but the FAVORITE will be the M5

You're going to love it Helen. Though I use my M7 (.85) and M8 more (I like AE) it is always nothing short of a pleasure to break out the M5. If it had AE I's probably never put it down.

Enjoy :)

kzphoto
07-28-2010, 14:04
I was looking to have a .72 VF replaced with a .85 in my old M6 TTL. DAG quoted about $350 for the upgrade with an MP condenser / upgrade. This quote was about a 6 months ago.

Roland,

Where and how much... I have sent several E-mails to known Leica mechanics regarding upgrading to a .85 finder, but never had a reply.

Thanks!



Yes... taken at the corner of Crown and Oxford.

Nokton48
07-28-2010, 15:29
I think it improves the balance with long lenses, like my 90mm F2 V1 Summicron, the 50mm F1.2 Canon, 85mm F1.5 Canon, etc.

My favorite Leica to use, hands down.

Steven Dooley
07-28-2010, 17:22
It's my favorite, too.
Meter, viewfinder, build quality, shutter speed dial, ratcheted film rewind...

I also appreciate the fact we have someone like Sherry who expertly restores them to full operating condition as if they just left Wetzlar.

Welcome to the club, Helen!

roundg
07-29-2010, 22:00
This is my M5
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/rffgallery/gallery/2577/U2577I1279265423.SEQ.0.jpg

bennyng
07-30-2010, 00:44
OOhh!! The famed 8 element 35mm Summicron. Sure looks nice on the M5.

Cheers,

Alpacaman
07-30-2010, 01:04
The M5 is such a brutalist sexy camera. I really like it, I wish I had one. How does the rewind mechanism feel to use? Because it seems like the best rewind mechanism of any Leica camera to me, as it all hidden away.

StaaleS
07-30-2010, 01:20
The M5 rewind mechanism is a joy to use. Really fast and smooth.

The only caveat, if coming from a regular M, is to break the ingrained habit of opening the camera at once when you turn it upside-down :)

roundg
07-30-2010, 01:33
OOhh!! The famed 8 element 35mm Summicron. Sure looks nice on the M5.

Cheers,

Thanks, bennyng. I found the lens sits on M5 more comfortable than on a M6. M6 is too narrow to protect the goggle.

The M5 is such a brutalist sexy camera. I really like it, I wish I had one. How does the rewind mechanism feel to use? Because it seems like the best rewind mechanism of any Leica camera to me, as it all hidden away.
The rewind mechanism of M5 is the best in all M, IMHO. Very smooth and very fast. Especially, no worry for film roll back.

P. Lynn Miller
07-30-2010, 01:39
What frame-line do you use with the goggled Summicron? I had chance to buy a Elmarit? 135 with goggles for a fine price, but turned it down. Not a great fan of 135 even on my Nikon F's.

roundg
07-30-2010, 01:43
What frame-line do you use with the goggled Summicron? I had chance to buy a Elmarit? 135 with goggles for a fine price, but turned it down. Not a great fan of 135 even on my Nikon F's.

The goggled Summicron brings up the 50mm frameline, then adjusted to match the view of 35mm by the goggle.

The main drawbacks of the goggle are 1) reduce the brightness of the VF
2) introduce some distortion in VF. But in real use, they are not big issue.

roundg
07-30-2010, 01:46
BTW, once I saw someone has a M5, whose VF upgraded with a so called MP one. It has the stardard frame sets as 35/135,50/75,28/90. I believe it's a M6 0.72 VF with the MP flare-Reduce upgrade.

It's said the VF was changed by DON from DAG.

rxmd
07-30-2010, 02:32
BTW, once I saw someone has a M5, whose VF upgraded with a so called MP one. It has the stardard frame sets as 35/135,50/75,28/90. I believe it's a M6 0.72 VF with the MP flare-Reduce upgrade.

Why would it need a flare reduction upgrade? It was never downgraded to the somewhat more flare-prone M6 finder in the first place.

roundg
07-30-2010, 02:41
Why would it need a flare reduction upgrade? It was never downgraded to the somewhat more flare-prone M6 finder in the first place.


I don't know but I believe that it has changed to a M6 VF first. Maybe something wrong with the original VF and need a replacement.

And you are right, the M5 VF is better in anti-flare than M6.

Rayt
07-30-2010, 02:47
How reliable is the meter? I understand it cannot be repaired?

P. Lynn Miller
07-30-2010, 02:56
I really like the simple, uncluttered finder of the M5 with single 35, 50 and 90 frame-lines. I would like to get my M5 finder upgraded to .85x with single 50, 75, and 90 frame-lines, but that won't happen since the 50 and 75 come up at the same time.

roundg
07-30-2010, 03:02
How reliable is the meter? I understand it cannot be repaired?

The meter on my two M5 (one has been modified for 1.5V battery) are very accurate, never had any problem with exposure.

As I know, Don in DAG can repair the meter even the original meter cell dies.

Rayt
07-30-2010, 03:13
The meter on my two M5 (one has been modified for 1.5V battery) are very accurate, never had any problem with exposure.

As I know, Don in DAG can repair the meter even the original meter cell dies.


Thanks. Do you advise converting the meter to take 1.5v cells or use the "air cells"?

roundg
07-30-2010, 03:19
Thanks. Do you advise converting the meter to take 1.5v cells or use the "air cells"?

I have heard that air cell drains very fast? My silver M5 use VARTA V625PX 1.35v battery. Not sure whether it's an aircell type or Mercury one.

My suggestion is if you are going to send your M5 for a service in future, you can have it converted at the same time.

I believe the original 1.35v is more accurate. But I never had a problem in exposure with my converted 1.5V M5.

Nokton48
07-30-2010, 03:52
And it's a very good match IMO. The viewfinder image is easy to view, and the lens is a fantastic performer. Mine is about the same age as M5, so it's a particularly good combo.

I like it.

hipsterdufus
07-30-2010, 04:43
MUST... KILL... GAS... ATTACK...

But seriously, I love that this is the black sheep of the Leica family. Makes me want it even more. I just don't know if it's justifiable to get one over my Bessa R2...

dreamsandart
07-30-2010, 05:19
M5s are so cool :angel:

helenhill_HH
07-30-2010, 05:41
M5s are so cool :angel:

tres SEXY shot....that M5....:eek:....:)

P. Lynn Miller
07-30-2010, 20:16
M5s are so cool :angel:

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=80315&d=1280492372



That is one fine M5!

I have never been a fan of Silver M5's, but seeing a silver M5 with a silver lens and black lens hood looks very nice.

J J Kapsberger
07-30-2010, 20:21
I don't know but I believe that it has changed to a M6 VF first. Maybe something wrong with the original VF and need a replacement.

And you are right, the M5 VF is better in anti-flare than M6.

Sepiareverb had his M5's VF changed to the MP style simply for the framelines, not because of a white-out issue. Ask him about it.

roundg
07-31-2010, 03:46
M5s are so cool :angel:


wow, I use an identical softie on my silver M5. I must say the strap is so sexy.

Vickko
07-31-2010, 03:56
Hot . . . !!!!!!!

Vickko
07-31-2010, 03:57
So, is that Angelina Jolie's M5? How did you get her to model it for you?

:-)

P. Lynn Miller
07-31-2010, 04:05
I have already decided that I am buying a silver M5 as soon as funds allow... just trying to decide what lens to use for a body cap. Thinking a silver 35 Sumilux or Summicron... or maybe a silver 50 Summilux or Summicron...

Krosya
07-31-2010, 04:29
Silver lenses look Ok on a Black M5 too, not just on Silver ones:
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu192/krosya/Super%20Hexanon/35c504d8.jpg


http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=75526&d=1261177959

roundg
07-31-2010, 07:00
I have already decided that I am buying a silver M5 as soon as funds allow... just trying to decide what lens to use for a body cap. Thinking a silver 35 Sumilux or Summicron... or maybe a silver 50 Summilux or Summicron...


a silver lens on my silver M5.
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/rffgallery/gallery/2577/U2577I1280587335.SEQ.0.jpg

Vincenzo Maielli
07-31-2010, 15:13
I was perplexed about the Leica M5, then i bought a three lugs model and I felt in love, irreparably. The Leica M5 is a true fantastic camera, with pure Leitz DNA; i'm literally bewitched by her. Hated by fanatics, loved by photographers. I'm fully crazy for mine M5!
Ciao.
Vincenzo

P. Lynn Miller
07-31-2010, 20:23
One of the main features of the M5 is the 2 lugs on the off-side of the camera. It allows you to carry the M5 under your arm at your side, inconspicuous and protected, but ready for immediate use. I sorely miss the method of carriage when using my Nikon F's.

Fujitsu
08-01-2010, 04:03
Mr Fungus doesn't like sunlight and fresh air ;)

Most of all fungus likes moisture. If you regularly soak your unsealed (!) equipment in rain expect fungus to happen, no matter if you dry the surface at home or not.

vonion
08-01-2010, 21:10
M5 - What, a camera? :eek: