Summaron 3.5/35 framelines

[SimonSawSunlight]

so I have this summaron f3.5 (m-mount, no goggles) with the 35mm finder, this is obviously the M3 version, as it brings up the 50mm lines on my M2 and M4 and actually came with an M3 and the finder :D .
now, I don't want the M3, neither do I need it and, apart from all that, it doesn't even work... long story short, in which part of it do I have to ram a chainsaw in order to give me the 35mm lines?
:angel:

(I tried the forum search but that thing just doesn't like me.)

[Doug]

Simon, the M3 doesn't have 35mm framelines. You can make do with the external 35mm finder. If that's not satisfactory, then that's what the M2 is for. :)

The M3 version has goggles. If as you say, the Summaron brings up 50mm framelines in your M2 and M4, then I suspect it may the the goggled version with the goggles lopped off. Any indications that may be the case?

[SimonSawSunlight]

Simon, the M3 doesn't have 35mm framelines. You can make do with the external 35mm finder. If that's not satisfactory, then that's what the M2 is for. :)

The M3 version has goggles. If as you say, the Summaron brings up 50mm framelines in your M2 and M4, then I suspect it may the the goggled version with the goggles lopped off. Any indications that may be the case?

doug,
I know the M3 doesn't have 35mm framelines, as I said, I don't want to use it on the M3, but on the M2 and M4 (I have been using the EVF on those so far, but it seems a bit stupid to me if I could have the correct framelines showing up instead :D ).
I'm pretty sure it never had goggles, it seems to focus correctly as well. it's not the 2.8 version, but this one: http://photovillage.com/images/T/65-35.35.1181174-1.jpg (http://photovillage.com/images/T/65-35.35.1181174-1.jpg)
(the M2 version would look like that afaik http://www.carmarthencameras.co.uk/shopimages/products/normal/IMG_1234CS1667.JPG )

[helenhill]

Simon,
I have the 2.8 version which only brought up the 50 Frameline
so I took the back mount off (my version has the red dot on the back mount)
then screwed on a leica 35 adapter / No Chain Saw Needed :p
and MAGIC ...it now brings up the 35 Frameline :cool:

LOVE both versions the 3.5 & 2.8...it draws Superbly Sharp and has Wonderful Character


Best- H

[SimonSawSunlight]

Simon,
I have the 2.8 version which only brought up the 50 Frameline
so I took the back mount off (my version has the red dot on the back mount)
then screwed on a leica 35 adapter / No Chain Saw Needed :p
and MAGIC ...it now brings up the 35 Frameline :cool:

LOVE both versions the 3.5 & 2.8...it draws Superbly Sharp and has Wonderful Character


Best- H

thank you helen,
but the mount on my 3.5 doesn't seem to be interchangeable :(. now, where is that chainsaw.

[archive59]

I seemed to remember a post on here showing exactly what needed filing down but I'm not sure I've found it.

This gives a link to pictures showing how to file down a Summicron C 40mm

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67322&highlight=mount+file+frameline

And this has some general discussion about what actually activates the framelines that might help

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57424&highlight=mount+file+frameline

[helenhill]

thank you helen,
but the mount on my 3.5 doesn't seem to be interchangeable :(. now, where is that chainsaw.
Are YOU sure there is not on teeny tiny screw
that needs to be undone....

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[SimonSawSunlight]

thank you all, I'll try that.

Are YOU sure there is not on teeny tiny screw
that needs to be undone....

don't think so :/

[FrankS]

I think I read about an M mount version of the 35f3.5 Summaron made that had no goggles. It was meant to be scale focused and used on the M3 with the external viewfinder.
I'm not sure if there was a RF cam on the lens at all.
You may have this version. I don't think it was very common.

[SimonSawSunlight]

There was an M mount version of the 35f3.5 Summaron made that had no goggles. It was meant to be scale focused and used on the M3 with the external viewfinder.
I'm not sure if there was a RF cam on the lens at all.
You may have this version. I don't think it was very common.

there is absolutely no sign of goggles on it and I've seen photos of specimens exactly like mine online. it is rangefinder coupled, despite the external viewfinder to go with it.
the collapsible summicron 5cm / summaron 3.5cm hood fits this version perfectly too. s/n is 11760xx

[Vincent.G]

Simon, can you compare the mounting flange of another 35mm lens with your summaron? Are there any difference?

[SimonSawSunlight]

I did the filing (with a nail file :D ) and now it brings up the 35mm lines. yeehaw. took me about 5 minutes and a wee little bit is already enough, really!

thanks again.

[Mudman]

you're a braver man than I.

[SimonSawSunlight]

you're a braver man than I.

oh hell yes, I'm the next brian sweeney!!!

... no seriously, a dork like me can do it without a drop of sweat :)

[Mudman]

ha. Can't wait to see more of the shots from your new gear. Hope you can get the M3 working.

[Vincent.G]

I did the filing (with a nail file :D ) and now it brings up the 35mm lines. yeehaw. took me about 5 minutes and a wee little bit is already enough, really!

thanks again.

Is it just file down the corner a tiny bit?

[Phil_F_NM]

Feel free to send any broken M3's my way. :D

[Santafecino]

The M-mount 35mm Summaron f:3.5 originally issued when the M3 came out had no goggles and brought up the 50mm frame lines. It focuses fine with the M3 rangefinder and was meant to be used with the external viewfinder. Later, when the M2 came out I suspect, the Summaron was changed to bring up the 35mm/135mm frame lines. On the M2, that means just the 35mm frame line.

I guess the transition operation is easy, based on the above report.

[SimonSawSunlight]

Is it just file down the corner a tiny bit?

this is the best explanation out there:
http://rangefinderforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=64253&stc=1&d=1223901220