what lens will go down in price...

[back alley]

now that there is a new 50/1.1 lens soon to be available?

the canon 50/1.2?

any of the 1.4 lenses?

??


joe

[David R Munson]

I don't know about anything going down, but my interest will certainly go up...

[dof]

I'd love to see the Noctilux prices come down, but imagine that there are many owners and at least one German company who would disagree. It will be very interesting to see if and how the new Nokton exerts pressures in this direction.

[CLE-RF]

I'm betting ALL fast lenses will go down, at least temporarily.

But, it's like betting the stock market: are we at the bottom yet, should I buy?

I shoot an M-Hexanon 50mm f1.2 and I would advise anyone to get one once prices have dropped. In the odd case that you don't like it you can sell at a profit in the future, because I am pretty sure people will eventually decide the M-Hex is a better lens in terms of smoothness and tonality. Many prefer an M-Hex over a Voigtlander lens once having seen the difference.

Mine won't be for sale, by the way :)

[back alley]

i'm just generally curious, if i were to look at fast lens it would be the 35/1.2 as i prefer that focal length.

[varjag]

The old 50/1.0 Noctilux might come down in price a bit. Canon 0.95 perhaps as well.

[chris00nj]

I bet the Canon 50/0.95 (and to a lesser extent, the Canon 50/1.2). It is soft wide open and very expensive.

There are three, unmodified 50/0.95 lenses that have recently sold on eBay. They ranged between $1026 and $1226. Then you either to do an M-mount conversion which is a few hundred.

[raid]

Having both the CV 35/1.2 and the CV 50/1.1 results in a set of two large and heavy lenses with super fast aperture. Some may prefer a 50mm lens over the 35mm lens and the 35mm might get sold. One of the advantages of RF photography is the small size of the lenses.

[LeicaTom]

Yeah, I hope the Canon f0.95 comes down........while I would like to put one on a M3 or a 0.85 M6 sometime soon.....I use the Canon f1.2 all the time now and I absolutely LOVE it! that`s a lens worth every penny :D

Tom

[Thardy]

I don't know about anything going down, but my interest will certainly go up...

That's for sure.

[gdi]

I'm betting ALL fast lenses will go down, at least temporarily.

But, it's like betting the stock market: are we at the bottom yet, should I buy?

I shoot an M-Hexanon 50mm f1.2 and I would advise anyone to get one once prices have dropped. In the odd case that you don't like it you can sell at a profit in the future, because I am pretty sure people will eventually decide the M-Hex is a better lens in terms of smoothness and tonality. Many prefer an M-Hex over a Voigtlander lens once having seen the difference.

Mine won't be for sale, by the way :)

I agree with that - I can't see giving up the hex for the CV, The quality differences are just night and day. But I expect the CV wll be a good performer.

[gdi]

I bet the Canon 50/0.95 (and to a lesser extent, the Canon 50/1.2). It is soft wide open and very expensive.

There are three, unmodified 50/0.95 lenses that have recently sold on eBay. They ranged between $1026 and $1226. Then you either to do an M-mount conversion which is a few hundred.

I need to shoot my 0.95 more. I don't find it too soft on film, but you have to make sure you focus in the right spot!

These lenses have really spiked recently - personally I can't see the CV having much impact on these or the Noctilux - but I could be wrong. :D

[CLE-RF]

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There are three, unmodified 50/0.95 lenses that have recently sold on eBay. They ranged between $1026 and $1226. Then you either to do an M-mount conversion which is a few hundred.

You can bet I will be lurking on evilbay when these owners decide to cut their losses and sell ;)

[robklurfield]

Having read at least one of our cohorts offering to sell a kidney or liver to pay for a 1.1, I believe prices for well-used, second-hand organs may fall first as there will likely be glut on the market.

[Al Kaplan]

I've always wondered if anybody has done an M conversion of the 50/0.95 Angenieux motion picture lens? Angenieux glass has such beautiful smooth bokeh.

[f16sunshine]

Anything can happen with prices in the first month or two.
What will likely prove true is any lens with a personal signature will hold it's value.
The canon 1.2 and hex certainly will be worth as much or more 12 months from now.
From the samples that we have seen. This lens does draw more like the 1.4/40 than I would like to see for $1200. There is not enough to conclude that for sure but , more than just a few have noted that impression.

[CLE-RF]

I've always wondered if anybody has done an M conversion of the 50/0.95 Angenieux motion picture lens? Angenieux glass has such beautiful smooth bokeh.

http://www.digifan.cn/photo/2008103113910.JPG (http://cgi.ebay.nl/ANGENIEUX-50mm-f0-95-M1-fit-Leica-M-50-0-95-noctilux_W0QQitemZ120390385640QQcmdZViewItemQQptZC amera_Lenses?hash=item120390385640&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177)


Just click the shot to get to the auction, Al! Don't forget to break out all your savings, a kidney and a new mortgage...

[Keith]

I think a lot of people will be holding off ... it's a little risky to dump your current fast 50 to get a quick sale to buy a new lens with no established record of performance or character. My Canon 1.2 has it's issues but it definitely has character and I now understand and work around it's faults ... the Nokton for me would compliment it, not replace it!

[noimmunity]

yeah! one of our rich friends should go for it! (the modified angenieux, that is)

[charjohncarter]

I'm not sure; market forces are hard to predict. A graduate in marketing (ha, big deal, usually evidence driven by antidotes) said that the trick is to predict which way that school of small fish is going to turn. I think he was referring to seventh grade girls, but down deep we are all seventh grade girls.

Check out Thorstein Veblen

[bucks11]

Can this include the 50/1.5 Nokton??

I reckon they can be had pretty easily to help fund people's 50/1.1...

[maddoc]

Prices for the 50/1.0 might come down a little more since the first copies of the 50/0.95 ASPH have been delivered and some of the buyers or potential buyers might sell their old 50/1.0.

Anyway, I like my 50/1.0 and won't sell it but might add a 35/1.2 in the future ... :)

[CLE-RF]

I've been giving the dropping-prices issue some thought and here's what I think will happen: at first, all prices will go down, some more than others. Once the Nokton f1.1 catches on some shooters will want to distinguish themselves and start looking for a (possibly more expensive) alternative for the Nokton, and prices will go back up again.

Like said earlier, the trick is to predict when the market will be at its lowest...

[35mmdelux]

The Super Nokton promises to be a great lens for the $. However, some will want a f/1.0 or f/.95 and the Super will be an option among others. Some will prefer the Hex 50/1.2. Those with deep pockets will still go for the f/1.0 and f/.95 just because.

Take the 50mm/1.5 Nokton for example. People still buy the Summilux ASPH at 5x the cost. I suspect the Super Nokton vs the NoctilUx to shake out similarly.

[peter_n]

I agree with Paul. I think in the short-term prices on the pre-ASPH Noctilux will drop a little but in the longer term will return to current levels. The lens is discontinued so its unique characteristics plus limited availability will mean it will retain its value.

[Sonnar2]

The Canon 50/1.2 will go back to normal (200-300 USD), the 50/0.95 to 700-800.
After all f/0.95 is faster than f/1.1

[proenca]

well, tricky question.

The 1.1 Nokton will certanly push the other used Noktons down in price - specially when it will start to hit the used market. And most likely the Canon's as well.

Problem is it will take some time for it to appear in the used market reguarely so it drives the other noktons and canons down, so I would say 3 to 6 months.

The 1.0 Noctilux's vs the 0.95 vs 1.1 Nokton is very complicated and constrained with lots of factors.

I said over and over the 0.95 is a much better lens overall than the 1.0 that that improvement came at a cost : the bokeh. And that swirlly crazy bokeh is e-x-a-c-t-l-y what made the Noctilux famous.

So I expect to see few users dumping their 1.0 to trade up for the 0.95 but I can see the 1.0 ( if the 0,95 is not that good in the bokeh department ) bumping in price again.

Very few users will trade in their 1.0 Nocti's for a 1,1 Nokton, if at all. Yes, it would make perfect sense, Nocti's are specific tools for specific times so it would make sense to trade a 4 or 5k lens for a 1k lens that does almost the same since its used not so often.

Many people use this logic but I have YET TO SEE ONE SINGLE NOCTI USER to say that logic.

First problem : since when buying a Noctilux, new or used, is a logic buy ?

Its heavy, has focus problems, can't be used all the time, filters are expensive, upsets teh balance of the M camera, its expensive even in Leica terms.

So why a insane ( all of us, Nocti users, are ) Notilux user will trade their Nocti for a Nokton ?

I wont.

The Nocti is the Leica White Unicorn. Its something you have to do.

Ex-Nocti users might be tempted to buy the nokton, that I belive.

But current ones, I dont.

[thinkfloyd]

A friend of mine will be selling his Noctii to get the 50/1.1 AND an M8(.2) since he uses digital now (DSLR) and all his Leitz lenses are just stored in a cabinet... he rarely uses his film cameras now. So this gives him a chance to use his lenses again, and "replace" his Nocti with a similar lens, as well as get into digital RF... So I guess the reasons for someone to trade up depends...