Of good beards and bad ones

[payasam]

Over the years I have photographed many bearded people. Salt and pepper beards test resolving power about as much as clean and shiny dark ones do. White ones, however, are a disaster, photographically speaking, in most lighting. Because light bounces about between the hairs, what I get in the picture is a white without texture. I wonder what has been the experience of other members.

[Chriscrawfordphoto]

Reduce your developing time 20%, that should hold the highlights. You'll probably need to give an extra stop of exposure to prevent loss of shadow detail from the reduced development, but the neg will have less contrast and the bright whites will print better.

[dazedgonebye]

Ask Pitxu ......

[crawdiddy]

Dang! I thought this was going to be a "show us your good/bad beard" thread....

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=66262&d=1230133403

[Al Kaplan]

It's not just beard hair! White or light grey head hair does the same, as does light blonde hair, so be glad that you live in India and not northern Europe! Going to a lower contrast will put some tone in the hair as Chris suggests but still won't define the hairs. I prefer burning in the whites through a higher contrast filter. Sometimes just exposing the entire picture through your highest contrast filter for a few seconds after your first exposure through a mid range filter will do it, no burning or dodging, but it intensifies the shadow side of the hairs.

Having some side light in the original exposure helps by putting specular highlights on the hairs

[JoeV]

Hmm, "Good Beard/Bad Beard" sounds slightly suggestive, like "Truth or Dare."

Funny that no one mentioned the option of Grecian Formula for Men for the problem of white beards. Is this why Santa Claus looks like he's wearing cotton on his face - the hairs can't be resolved? Oh, wait, maybe that IS cotton on his face. You mean Santa Claus isn't real?

~Joe

[Tuolumne]

Pitxu, keep the beard!

/T

[dazedgonebye]

Ha!
I knew the authority on the subject would surface!

[Dave Wilkinson]

Ha!
I knew the authority on the subject would surface!
I'm surprised that Roger Hicks has'nt turned up yet! ;)

[Al Kaplan]

Mukul, maybe you friend in Vero Beach and I will discover that the real secret to good beard photography is Eastman 5222?

[Dave Wilkinson]

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=66264&d=1230133937


:D:D:D

66264
..............How much do you charge for haunting houses? :eek:

[Matt(1pt4)]

Reduce your developing time 20%, that should hold the highlights. You'll probably need to give an extra stop of exposure to prevent loss of shadow detail from the reduced development, but the neg will have less contrast and the bright whites will print better.

Would you believe that I've had better luck going the other way? I know it's counter-intuitive, but when I know I need detail in the highlights, I usually give film a one stop push. When exposing, I meter off the highlights, and let the shadows fall where they may. For portraits, I think this works particularly well. A compensating developer like dilute rodinal or even something like xtol that gives the shadows a little bump helps.

I got the idea from reading this:

http://unblinkingeye.com/Articles/Mortensen/mortensen.html

The under exposure moves the highlights down off the shoulder of the neg, leaving you with better separation in the upper values. You get thin shadows, but in many situations, the shadows are pictorially interesting anyway.

[payasam]

Christopher, what you suggest is the approach usually taken with white wedding dresses. It works, but I cannot use it for two reasons: one, each roll generally has pictures of different kinds; and two, the C-41 I use exclusively is processed at pretty dumb labs.

While I defer to the expertise of Pitxu, I'm not entirely ignorant. The attached photo was taken by Sean Moran, RFF member, on his last visit to India. M3 with Summicron 50, I think. Other details not known. Incidentally, it illustrates what Al said about side lighting and specular highlights.

[kshapero]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3256/3133688878_cb8bfa6910.jpg?v=0

Wife didn't catch it all but that was shot about four yrs ago, so it is probably longer now.

[photomoof]

I'm surprised that Roger Hicks has'nt turned up yet! ;)

He is busy? :eek:

kshapero very nice, rather guru like (or ZZ), but Pixtu is almost perfect, I have never seen such a beard, mine is much more disorganized.

[Dave Wilkinson]

[quote=photomoof;958532]He is busy? :eek:

I think he's doing his annual Santa gig, at Solms! :D

[Monz]

Rolleiflex 2.8F, 80mm Xenotar, Delta 400, Rodinal

[photomoof]

[quote=photomoof;958532]He is busy? :eek:

I think he's doing his annual Santa gig, at Solms! :D

Does he loan them money, I bet the tap is dry at Panasonic. :(

[Ducky]

I'm confused!
What does Pitxu look like?
No Santa? Careful what you say there, son, he's makin' a list.
Here's my beard, salt & pepper, never looks right in photos.

[Al Kaplan]

OK guys, now that we've all discussed beards let's make 2009 the year for growing dreadlocks! Pass the ganga, please.

[John Lawrence]

OK guys, now that we've all discussed beards let's make 2009 the year for growing dreadlocks! Pass the ganga, please.

Hey Al, that's a bit tough on those of us who are "follically challenged"!

[Al Kaplan]

Here in Miami I've seen a few guys with "Male Pattern Baldness" who still manage to get a decent growth of 'dreads on the sides and rear. If you wear one of those oversized knit caps to stuff your dreads in you can arrange the pile to make it look like you have hair growing on top too. What most of us uptight Americans don't want to admit to is that ganga contains hormone like chemicals that tend to prevent male pattern baldness. Now PULEEEEZE pass that spliff, John. I have an image to maintain!

[iamzip]

How much do you charge for haunting houses? :eek:

Or to rent yourself out as John Brown? :D

p.s. I like your glasses in this one.

[Al Kaplan]

Or better still, Margaret Meade 's famous tome "Coming Of Age In Wetzlar".

[Chriscrawfordphoto]

OK guys, now that we've all discussed beards let's make 2009 the year for growing dreadlocks! Pass the ganga, please.

I already have long hair!

http://www.catrinakleven.com/portfolio/people/images/fullsize/chris2.jpg
Photo by my girlfriend, Catrina Kleven (http://www.catrinakleven.com)

[fdigital]

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66264
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I am seriously envious of your beard in this pic.

[payasam]

It's best, Gavin, to go easy with abuse, praise and apostrophes. Sorry, but you're young and I'm an ageing former teacher who edits manuscripts when he's not taking, er, hairy pictures.

Pitxu, here's the evidence I've sprouted -- um, gathered -- against old Charlie D's theory.