KONICA Hexanon 90mm f2.8 M

[Henk]

Hi,

I'm looking for a 90mm for my M6 and today I saw a Konica Hexanon 90mm f2.8 M for sale in very good condition for 450 $.

Anyone has such a lens ? Good quality ? Does the price seem OK?

Thanx !

[sircarl]

I paid the equivalent of $430 a few months ago from a seller here, for one in excellent shape. I haven't used it much since then, but when I have needed to, I've found it superb. Noticeably better than the 90/4 CLE Rokkor I used to have.

[__hh]

That's a decent price.... I sold one that was "as new" for the same amount and had about 3 people wanting to buy it within 2 days' listing. Matsuyastore (eBay) usually has them for similar prices (maybe a bit more)

[johannielscom]

Hoi Henk,

I own a 90mm Hexanon and love it. It set me back EUR 300 when buying it in near-new condition. It is spectular, both in optics as well as build quality. Mine is on my M3's and they are a great match when it comes to the way they handle: tight tolerances, no ratchety parts and gears, all smooth as butter and spot-on.

You guessed it: I can recommend it!

If you happen to live nearby, I'll happily let you have a look at it before deciding

[WoolenMammoth]

If for some reason I had to sell mine and by the time I had gotten around to getting another the price had risen to $1200, I wouldnt hesitate in a second, nor would I be bitter about paying that much for a 90 hex. Ridiculously incredible lens.

[Krosya]

best 90mm M-mount lens for the money IMO. Here is from my Hex 90 (not the best scan, but still...):

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2256/2249545376_9ab47bd525_b.jpg

[amateriat]

It's the third-most-used lens in my system (behind the 28 and 50 M-Hexen). An'd I'll never willingly let go of it. "Worth its weight..." and all that.


- Barrett

[Henk]

Thanx for the replies. I will have to decide tomorrow.

[stevence]

It's an excellent lens from a reputable seller ;-)

[Henk]

Stevence, we meet again :)
Small world !
As you see, good comments on the lens.

Cya

[stevence]

well, henk bailed out for financial reasons. Any other takers?

[MCTuomey]

pm sent, steve, acknowledging a debt to RFF if anything develops

[Krosya]

Another from my Hex 90:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3196/3086088091_df963f5045_o.jpg

[Ruvy]

Hi Barrett
are you using it on the Hexar RF camera or on another one. I understand that on the Hexar RF its nearly impossible to use due to frame size - is this your experience too?
It's the third-most-used lens in my system (behind the 28 and 50 M-Hexen). An'd I'll never willingly let go of it. "Worth its weight..." and all that.


- Barrett

[Krosya]

Hi Barrett
are you using it on the Hexar RF camera or on another one. I understand that on the Hexar RF its nearly impossible to use due to frame size - is this your experience too?

While question was not addressed to me - I can chime in - I use my Hex 90 on a Hexar RF and it's fine for me. I also use Nikkor 10.5cm/2.5 on Hexar RF and that works fine as well - just takes a little practice.
In my experience, - dont go by what people say, including what I did - it seems that everyone is different as to how comfortable or easy it is to focus some lenses on some bodies. I can focus most long and/or fast lenses on most cameras, Hexar included. However I have seen some people cant do that with even highest mag. cameras like M3, etc. So, everyone is different. So - try it, see if it's for you. if not - move on. simple. FWIW, I use /have used Canon 50/1.2, CV Nokton 35/1.2, Jupiter-9 85/2, Nikkor 85/2, Hex 90/2.8, Nikkor 10.5cm/2.5 on Hexar RF and all were fine - framing and focusing. YMMV.

[amateriat]

Hi Barrett
are you using it on the Hexar RF camera or on another one. I understand that on the Hexar RF its nearly impossible to use due to frame size - is this your experience too?
I have a pair of Hexars, and I've never found use of the 90 on them a problem at all. I am a bit curious about how much of a challenge using a 135mm lens (and framelines) would be, but I'm not exactly Hektoring for the opportunity this moment. ;)


- Barrett

[Erik L]

best 90mm M-mount lens for the money IMO. Here is from my Hex 90 (not the best scan, but still...):

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2256/2249545376_9ab47bd525_b.jpg

i love that pic

[FPjohn]

Can anyone rank the Hexanon relative to the Tele-elmarit, Elmarit and current Summicron based on personal experience or objective comparisons (images)?

I suspect, never having used one, that it ranks high on the performance/value curve given the positive opinion of it..

My TE 90mm does well but absolutely requires a hood to avoid horrendous flare.

yours
FPJ

[Krosya]

Eric L - Thank you!

FPjohn - well, from personal experience - I can only talk about Hexanon vs Fat TE.
Fat TE is a very good lens. It does flare some and hood is a good idea. Both sharp. I kept Hex and sold Fat TE only because I prefer warmer colours, smoother bokeh and short focus throw of the Hexanon.
Yet Fat TE holds it's own very well. Here is a pic from it on Hexar RF:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2210/2445922858_09c14723b1_o.jpg

[madstorben]

It is a very good lens. I wish I knew how to attach a photo to this reply.
Thanks,
Mads (my first post)

[ferider]

Can anyone rank the Hexanon relative to the Tele-elmarit, Elmarit and current Summicron based on personal experience or objective comparisons (images)?

I suspect, never having used one, that it ranks high on the performance/value curve given the positive opinion of it..

My TE 90mm does well but absolutely requires a hood to avoid horrendous flare.

yours
FPJ

FPJ,

Among the lenses you mention, I have used v2 and v3 Summicron, v1 Elmarit, Fat and Thin TE, and the Hexanon.

Frankly ... they all perform very well and very similar, with the v1 Elmarit and TE having the lowest contrast - not low at all, just lower than the others. All very cool lenses; I'm usually not bad in distinguishing lens signatures, but it would be hard for me to recognize which lens was taken for a given picture, given the above set.

Among the above, I kept v3 Summicron and Thin TE. The latter due to size, it is significantly smaller than the Hexanon. Different versions of the TE are differently sensitive to flare, and it seems to be sample dependent, too. Due to speed, the v3 Summicron is in a different league alltogether; it's not much more expensive used than the Hexanon, heavier but not much larger and has a really great signature.

If you want something different, try a 75/1.4 or Nikkor 85/2. :)

For sample pictures (including some of mine), please have a look at the M-mount flickr forum.

Best,

Roland.

[MCTuomey]

trying to gain some of roland's wisdom first-hand, i lost my resolve and bought a hex 90. i will run it alongside my TE and see which one i prefer. would appear that they're alike enough that keeping both wouldn't make sense: same FL, same speed, similar rendering. just more reason to shoot at 90 and burn more film. that's my new year resolution, don'cha know.

[WoolenMammoth]

I would be suprised if after using both you were to reach the conclusion that the tele elmarit and the hex have similar rendering. IMO they look really really really different.

[MCTuomey]

wool, i'm excited to find out, thanks. i have the idea that the hex is sonnar-like in its OOF areas, which appeals to me. i really like my canon 50 1.5, for example.

[awilder]

Having recently purchased a thin 90 Tele-Elmarit (TE), I ran some test shots and compared them to those taken by my previously owned 90 Hexanon M (Hex). First here's a full frame shot followed by a tight left crop of the same scene with the TE and lastly the Hex, both taken at f/2.8.

[awilder]

Same setup but with the TE and the Hex at f/5.6 in that order.

[WoolenMammoth]

there is another discussion going on now about the tele elmarit where I compared these two lenses and this example totally sums up what I was saying. Looking at these two pictures, it suggests that the hex is low contrast, which it absolutely is not. you just get an absolute black with the TE, the shadow behind the figurine says it all.

[awilder]

I avoided posting images of the resolution targets as most people would rather evaluate a regular subject rather than horizontal and vertical line patterns. The charts did reveal the Hexanon to provide virtually identical resolution and contrast from center to corner and resolution was quite high at a minimum of 64-72 lp/mm across the frame. Interestingly, these figures remained fairly consistent regardless of aperture from f/4-8 while f/2.8 was only a little softer. This I believe is quite characterisic of all Ernostar designs that I have used and tested critically. Also included in this class of 90's is the current Elmarit-M, Contax G series Sonnar and the E55 Summicron. The Tele-Elmarit behaved differently starting about as soft wide open as the Hexanon but made significant improvements with each stop through at least f/5.6 reaching central resolution on film of just under 100 lp/mm. Unlike the Hexanon, performance did not remain as strong and even across the frame but gradually softens to the corner to 40 lp/mm. Stopping to f/8 improves performance of most of the frame but makes minimal improvement to the far edge and corner. If I had to pick another Leica lens with a similar fingerprint to complement the TE, it would definitely be the third 50 Summicron version (1969-79) as it behaves in a very similar fashion. One other minor difference I've noted on the Hexanon is the tendency to color fringe ever so slightly wide open compared to the TE. This can be seen as a very slight magenta "glow" around the outline of the figurine on the f/2.8 shots.

[ferider]

there is another discussion going on now about the tele elmarit where I compared these two lenses and this example totally sums up what I was saying. Looking at these two pictures, it suggests that the hex is low contrast, which it absolutely is not. you just get an absolute black with the TE, the shadow behind the figurine says it all.

Can that difference be handled with slightly different exposures ?

[WoolenMammoth]

Can that difference be handled with slightly different exposures ?

there is nothing you are going to do thats going to make a hex perform like the tele elmarit. Conversely, if you dont like the look of the TE, you are way out of luck as you are stuck with the heavy handed fingerprint of that lens no matter what you do. Id keep the hex as my one all around 90mm in a heartbeat but Id be really bummed to have to give up the TE for whatever reason. When you wan that look, nothing else is going to give it to you.

I never get much into shooting resolution charts and all that as there is way more to a lens than how sharp it is. I think the tele elmarit and elmar-m are prime examples of that idea.

[ferider]

I understand.

I sold my Hexanon and kept my Tele Elmarit, and interestingly it lives in the same bag as an Elmar-M and a CV 28/3.5 Color Skopar (which I find generates similar contrast/color/darks). For shooting color, however, mostly landscapes.

For portraits I use f2 lenses anyways, A Nikkor 85/2 if I want the Sonnar/Ernostar look. Note that the closest lens in signature to the 90/2.8 Hexanon that I know is the 150/4 Hasselblad/Zeiss/6x6 Sonnar (an Ernostar really).

Anyways, I still wonder how much the contrast difference you observe has to do with film choice and exposure, and if the TE and Hexanon actually have different transmission, causing the contrast difference.

Thanks,

Roland.

[WoolenMammoth]

Anyways, I still wonder how much the contrast difference you observe has to do with film choice and exposure,

none.

its absolutely, positively a difference in the glass.

[lewis44]

If you are looking for sharp images, nothing beats the Hexanon 90mm. I think this was shot @ f5.6 and was on an M8, converted to B&W with Nik Silver Efex Pro.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3067/2947863450_94be601856_b.jpg

[ferider]

Here is a TE Portrait :)

http://ferider.smugmug.com/photos/80122332_nu9cz-O-1.jpg

Cheers,

Roland.

[ferider]

And some more with different lenses (I have shown these before):

The Hexanon:

http://ferider.smugmug.com/photos/175620393_gZW4u-L.jpg

(notice the blacks).

Summicron v3:

http://ferider.smugmug.com/photos/223938006_aAFJu-XL.jpg

Nikkor 85/2

http://ferider.smugmug.com/photos/195930144_rW8sK-L.jpg

Here is a landscape with the Summicron v3:

http://ferider.smugmug.com/photos/223937992_kGxib-XL.jpg

Could you have picked the lens blindly ?

It all depends so much on what you want to do, and what you do in post processing ....

All very competent lenses, IMO.

Roland.

[cwatgo1970]

Forgive me if it's poor taste to add a question to this post, but I would much appreciate recommendations for a good lens serivicer of M-Hexanon lenses in the US? My 90mm M-Hex has a very slight ammount of haze inside which I worry might get worse over time if I don't have it cleaned. As many of you know, one falls in love with this lens once they have used it, and I just wouldn't trust anyone to work on it.

As ferider has shown above, it is quite a contrasty lens. I plan to add a 50mm to my collection eventually.

[lewis44]

Forgive me if it's poor taste to add a question to this post, but I would much appreciate recommendations for a good lens serivicer of M-Hexanon lenses in the US? My 90mm M-Hex has a very slight ammount of haze inside which I worry might get worse over time if I don't have it cleaned. As many of you know, one falls in love with this lens once they have used it, and I just wouldn't trust anyone to work on it.

Don Goldberg @ DAG Camera dagcam@chorus.net

OR

John @ Focal Point Lens john@focalpointlens.com (john@focalpointlens.com)

[awilder]

Don's one of the best for service and price BUT he's so popular that it'll probably take about 3-4 months to get your lens back from him. Consider Greg Weber who specializes in Konica camera equipment including all Hexar related service.

[cwatgo1970]

Thank you both for your recommendations. I will check into all of them. I have long used Sherry Krauter in the past for all of my Leica repairs and maintenance, but I don't think (though not sure) she works on alternative brand lenses.

[amateriat]

If you're talking cleaning up M-Hexanon lenses, most any comeptent shop (I use the word "comptent" advisedly here) should be able to do the job. As far as the Hexar RF body itself is concerned, that's harder, but not impossible: Precision Camera (http://www.precisioncamera.com/) has both Hexars (autofocus and RF) listed among the cameras they service. (Going off on a tangent here, but they also list the Minolta 5400 series film scanners on that list as well. Bookmark it.)



- Barrett

[madstorben]

I finally managed to find out how to attach a photo. Please find two examples of how the Hexanon 2.8/90 performs.

Mads

[DGA]

Great color, Mads.
Could you, please, add details about the camera & film used?

I also got me an M-Hex 90/2.8 recently, but haven't put it through a color film yet.

[Dante_Stella]

Focal Point should be able to turn it around in about four weeks. I would recommend using them, although it will probably be $100-150, based on the repairs he's done for me. DAG is inexpensive, but you may be waiting a while behind all of the gratuitous and paranoid Leica CLAs that seem to occur every time an M changes hands.

Dante

Don Goldberg @ DAG Camera dagcam@chorus.net

OR

John @ Focal Point Lens john@focalpointlens.com (john@focalpointlens.com)

[ferider]

I finally managed to find out how to attach a photo. Please find two examples of how the Hexanon 2.8/90 performs.

Mads

Those are nice Mads, and welcome to the forum !

Roland.

[madstorben]

Hi DGA,
Sorry for being late. I was offline for some days. I had Fuji 200 in my Hexar LE. Thanks for looking.

Hi Roland,
Thanks for your welcome.

Mads

[DGA]

Thanks Mads, That's OK.
BTW, apart from the appearance, is there any difference between the regular RF and the LE?

[amateriat]

Thanks Mads, That's OK.
BTW, apart from the appearance, is there any difference between the regular RF and the LE?
None. Merely the "natural" finish titanium covers, and special insignia.


- Barrett

[DGA]

I Love My New 90mm M-Hexanon !!!
Perfect portrait lens when green filter is attached.

Tri-X400 @ ISO 800
(HC-110 B, 11min @ 20°C).

[Krosya]

some from m-hex 90:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3551/3345425294_e0e7e21e58.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3540/3345425064_5d0eb25079.jpg

[MCTuomey]

lovely dga and krosya. film used for the flowers?

[Assaf]

It's a hell-of-a-lens
I wish I had one
here is a portrait of my grandfather taken with a Hex 90 of a good friend. Mounted on my Leica CL, used wide open
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3326/3344756177_39337b1017_o.jpg

[Krosya]

lovely dga and krosya. film used for the flowers?

Actually, this is from RD1S at ISO 1600. Just wanted to see some grain in these, make it film-like, I suppose. ;)

[Krosya]

And another:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3576/3344591519_cfa1e5049d_o.jpg

[Krosya]

And another yet:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3300/3345425442_bd220bae4b.jpg

[Krosya]

and more:
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu192/krosya/M Hexanon 90mm lens/hex90-8.jpg

[Krosya]

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu192/krosya/M Hexanon 90mm lens/hex90-2.jpg

[amateriat]

Krosya: Simply gorgeous stuff. Thanks for this!


- Barrett

[Krosya]

Thank you!
Here is more, if you dont mind:
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu192/krosya/M Hexanon 90mm lens/hex90-12.jpg

[Dante_Stella]

If you have an M8, you might want to have the focus adjusted (it won't affect film use) - sadly, the same thing I had to do with my Tri-Elmar and 75 Summilux. You will be surprised (a) at how good the 90mm Hexanon is and (b) how well it blurs things that are just outside of the depth of field. A killer. It will outresolve the M8 wide open.

[Cron]

a really great lens and some amazing pics here!

[dfoo]

Wow, that sepia toned image earlier is beautiful.

[peepete77]

Fantastic shot!!!

Eric L - Thank you!

FPjohn - well, from personal experience - I can only talk about Hexanon vs Fat TE.
Fat TE is a very good lens. It does flare some and hood is a good idea. Both sharp. I kept Hex and sold Fat TE only because I prefer warmer colours, smoother bokeh and short focus throw of the Hexanon.
Yet Fat TE holds it's own very well. Here is a pic from it on Hexar RF:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2210/2445922858_09c14723b1_o.jpg

[johannielscom]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3638/3380443822_10e3454182.jpg?v=0

This is Ally, also known as Quail, since she's deaf as a quail. Here she's just done washing the left rear foot, the shot was taken with Leica M8, M-Hexanon 90mm @ f2.8, ISO 160, shutter 1/90th. Closest focus.

Yes, that's two different eyes indeed, one green, one blue.

[Hacker]

I did not have any focusing issues on the M8.2.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3632/3410535835_d1cecfbbd8_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3328/3410536087_ce2ee6afd6_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3551/3411347640_7776dd5375_o.jpg

[Hacker]

Size comparison with the Contax Sonnar:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3609/3414370048_aaaaa1b08c_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3322/3414368696_9c04380462_o.jpg

[ampguy]

Some M-Hexanon 90/2.8 shots, all @ 2.8. Film was Reala 100 @ ISO 50, so a few have a bit of shake. 1 or 2 were at 1 second exposure!

here (http://matsumura.smugmug.com/gallery/8117429_CrPwK#529235552_qUZwS)