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ClaremontPhoto
11-12-2008, 06:04
Six months ago I was photographing at a local gas station.

A large truck was having difficulty maneuvering in the small space.

The gas station manager was angry that I was on the sidewalk photographing the chaos. He pushed me about a bit.

Yesterday...

http://my-expressions.com/up_media/7454/truck_stuck.JPG

and

http://my-expressions.com/up_media/7454/crunch.JPG

a truck hit the same gas station.

Later the gas station was closed down and looks likely to need a complete rebuild. Maybe a year or so.

The gas station manger knows I have the photos to support his insurance claim.

But because he was so abusive and physical last time he's not going to get the photos this time.

I'm smiling. He isn't.

Gumby
11-12-2008, 06:15
Karma ...

SolaresLarrave
11-12-2008, 06:19
Hmmm... rise above his level, Jon. Show him what having REAL class means.

oftheherd
11-12-2008, 06:21
Hmmm... rise above his level, Jon. Show him what having REAL class means.

Agreed. But if you are busy for a while, that is understandable. :p

bmattock
11-12-2008, 06:22
Hmmm... rise above his level, Jon. Show him what having REAL class means.

I agree. That's real revenge - knowing that you're a better person than he is, and him knowing it too. Graciousness can be its own reward, but can also be a very effective stick in the eye.

Al Kaplan
11-12-2008, 06:29
It could be money in your pocket! Offer to sell your pictures to the owner or his insurance company. You should have filed a police report about him shoving you while you were on public property.

BillBingham2
11-12-2008, 06:29
Perhaps you could sell them to him for a % of the total reward?

B2 (;->

AshenLight
11-12-2008, 06:30
Hmmm... rise above his level, Jon. Show him what having REAL class means.

Come on Francisco, how often in life does one get a chance like this? ;)

bmattock
11-12-2008, 06:34
Come on Francisco, how often in life does one get a chance like this? ;)

A chance to show real class? Not that often. I am thankful for such opportunities when the present themselves, and when I am able to rise above my own natural inclination to return insult with insult.

yanidel
11-12-2008, 06:35
Blackmail the truck company .... ;)

pesphoto
11-12-2008, 06:36
I say cash in on those photos! Free gas for life!

AshenLight
11-12-2008, 06:39
A chance to show real class? Not that often. I am thankful for such opportunities when the present themselves, and when I am able to rise above my own natural inclination to return insult with insult.

Please note the little ;) in my post... it's meant to lend a note of levity to my reply. Here it is again ;)

bmattock
11-12-2008, 06:41
Please note the little ;) in my post... it's meant to lend a note of levity to my reply. Here it is again ;)

Sorry, I am not fluent in emoticon. I will work on it. Beg pardon.

Sparrow
11-12-2008, 06:44
Discounted petrol??

One shouldn’t take pleasure in another’s misfortune :D

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3145/2810165429_6b8b6b0cff.jpg (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3145/2810165429_6b8b6b0cff.jpg)

AshenLight
11-12-2008, 06:52
Sorry, I am not fluent in emoticon. I will work on it. Beg pardon.

No problem :)

Gumby
11-12-2008, 06:56
I'm about to barf from some of the high-and-mighty replies... all we need now is one of "you know who's" lecture on 'honour'. :)

mich8261
11-12-2008, 07:03
Jon,

I am the petrol shop owner. Sorry for pushing you around, I shouldn't have and thanks for posting these pictures here; the insurance company will find them useful ;)

bmattock
11-12-2008, 07:08
I'm about to barf from some of the high-and-mighty replies... all we need now is one of "you know who's" lecture on 'honour'. :)

I'm curious as to what is 'high and mighty' about suggesting a path of action?

I cannot control the way others treat me. I can control how I choose to respond to them. Too often, I fail to follow my own advice. I try to have more control over myself than that, so it is something I work on.

NVARon
11-12-2008, 07:16
I wonder if his attorney might be able to subpoena you. And you have published them, if only on this web thread.

chris91387
11-12-2008, 07:17
withholding them to "spite" him will only further propagate his distrust for photographers.

but, of course, you are a businessman. surely there can me some sort of "reciprocation". you did have to buy the film, process and scan the film. and don't forget the wear and tear on your shutter, aperture ring and the hinges on the film door. :-)

- chris

SolaresLarrave
11-12-2008, 08:17
Well, I still would rise above his level, but I didn't say anything about not making the guy grovel about the shots.

As for finding them... how? All the petrol station owner knows about Jon is that he wields a camera from time to time. And these photographs carry no identification visible about the location, time or anything else.

Still... Jon could talk to the owner one day saying something like "I heard about your misfortunes with a truck and your roof." ;) (please, notice the emoticon!!!)

Gumby
11-12-2008, 08:36
Well, I still would rise above his level, but I didn't say anything about not making the guy grovel about the shots.


Now you're talking! :D

bmattock
11-12-2008, 08:43
My understanding of game theory is that a "tit for tat" strategy is most effective (in structured computer tournaments where avatars play with various strategies - see Richard Dawkins' book "The Selfish Gene"). You start out being nice, and if someone is a prick to you, you respond in kind. This works for me.

If someone is a jerk to you, and you are a jerk in return, you're still a jerk. If that does not bother you, hey, have fun.

Ultimately, the only person I have to please is myself. I don't like thinking of myself as a jerk, so I try (and do not always succeed) not to be one.

"He started it," should be carved on tombstones around the country as 'famous last words' of road rage drivers, drunken bar fighters, and others who felt that 'tit for tat' was the best way to live their lives - and that's how they lost them.

PhotoMat
11-12-2008, 08:50
My understanding of game theory is that a "tit for tat" strategy is most effective (in structured computer tournaments where avatars play with various strategies - see Richard Dawkins' book "The Selfish Gene"). You start out being nice, and if someone is a prick to you, you respond in kind. This works for me.

The thing is, life is not a computer game. If your response is being a prick in return, well then I guess that it makes you .... a prick.

zuikologist
11-12-2008, 08:58
If someone is a jerk to you, and you are a jerk in return, you're still a jerk. If that does not bother you, hey, have fun.

Ultimately, the only person I have to please is myself. I don't like thinking of myself as a jerk, so I try (and do not always succeed) not to be one.

"He started it," should be carved on tombstones around the country as 'famous last words' of road rage drivers, drunken bar fighters, and others who felt that 'tit for tat' was the best way to live their lives - and that's how they lost them.

Well said.

ferider
11-12-2008, 08:58
That Nokton has some lousy bokeh and flare ....

dazedgonebye
11-12-2008, 09:04
Bill is right again.

Al Kaplan
11-12-2008, 09:45
...or you could call the local Building Department. The structure itself might not meet building code requirements as to clearance or rules requiring the posting of clearance. If so you could contact the trucking company, its attorney and/or insurance company.

Gumby
11-12-2008, 10:10
I guess I must be misssing something. I can only see Mattox's postings in other people's quotes. Hmmm.

What is the "jerk" stuff all about? It's not like Claremont is waving his photos in front of the station owner and saying"I have something you need, but I won't give it to you"... or am I mistaken. He seems to simply be saying that he's not going to be proactive and get in the middle of someone else's grief. This isn't exactly the kind of situation whre the Good Samaritan Act should be invoked.

cmogi10
11-12-2008, 10:21
stick it to him, that or sock him in the jaw.
That'll teach him to be nicer alright.

pesphoto
11-12-2008, 10:23
...or you could call the local Building Department. The structure itself might not meet building code requirements as to clearance or rules requiring the posting of clearance. If so you could contact the trucking company, its attorney and/or insurance company.


oh man.......evil genious:eek:

rogue_designer
11-12-2008, 14:32
I guess I must be misssing something. I can only see Mattox's postings in other people's quotes. Hmmm.


Check to make sure he is not on your "ignore" list.

peterm1
11-12-2008, 14:40
Yep revenge is a dish best served with mashed potatoes and gravy - to be lingered over like comfort food on a cold winters day with a nice glass of red wine and coffee a petite fors for after......... Muhahahaha............MUHAHAHAHAHH!

Opps sorry my Dr Evil side took over there for a moment.

I gotta admit though that there is something in situations like this in which it is very human to feel gratification when some ignorant d'head gets his cumuppance.

I dont know I would be advertising the fact that you have the photos - this "wally" could subpoena them!

Gabriel M.A.
11-12-2008, 18:40
I think that Schadenfreude brings about even badder Karma than just being a prick.

That said, if it had been me being pushed around then, and this situation now, I would ask for a pretty penny. I wouldn't be denying the photos: I'd be facilitating Humble Pie.

punkromance
11-12-2008, 18:53
You mean a guy who just had thousands of dollars damage just done to his business was actually upset enough to have a go at someone taking a photo of it?
Unthinkable.


Yes, he probably was out of line having a go at you but honestly, have some perspective.

jonmanjiro
11-12-2008, 19:22
You mean the guy who just had thousands of dollars damage just done to his business and he was actually upset enough to have a go at someone taking a photo of it?
Jesus, what a twat.


Yes, he probably was out of line having a go at you but honestly, have some perspective.

There was a six month gap between the OP taking photos of the gas station and getting abused, and the truck hitting the gas station. Gotta slow down a little when you read ;)

George S.
11-12-2008, 19:30
I'm already barfing from all the "take the high road" advice. The guy is a jackass and he shouldn't get a pass for touching the OP. How many of you would like to be harassed and touched while you were on public property? Hmmm.... not many of you, huh?

YOU are in control. If he wants the photos, make him pay handsomely for them. Insurance companies pay all the time for evidence that makes their case.

Al Kaplan
11-12-2008, 19:43
Pesphoto, I'm not an "evil genius", just one who knows his way around city hall and about building & zoning requirements. I was on the North Miami Planning Commision for 12 years and I think it's going on 7 years on the city's Board of Adjustment where we issue variances. http://bp2.blogger.com/_b7J54W1JOoc/R7eEWeewOHI/AAAAAAAAA28/_tfMHMkPlSw/s1600-h/4.jpg shows me on the left along with the city attorney, the head of building and zoning, and the deputy city clerk along with my toy monkey Monkette. Hey, you gotta keep a sense of humor, right? Considering that I only have three credit hours of college (with a 4.0 average)I'm not all that much more educated than the monkey.

pesphoto
11-12-2008, 19:46
Pesphoto, I'm not an "evil genius", just one who knows his way around city hall and about building & zoning requirements. I was on the North Miami Planning Commision for 12 years and I think it's going on 7 years on the city's Board of Adjustment where we issue variances. http://bp2.blogger.com/_b7J54W1JOoc/R7eEWeewOHI/AAAAAAAAA28/_tfMHMkPlSw/s1600-h/4.jpg shows me on the left along with the city attorney, the head of building and zoning, and the deputy city clerk along with my toy monkey Monkette. Hey, you gotta keep a sense of humor, right?

right...i kinda had tongue in cheek when i said that Al. You made a very good point actually.

Al Kaplan
11-12-2008, 20:04
"Tongue in cheek" defines my whole life these days. When a grown man, a senior citizen actually, wanders about town carrying a toy monkey and shoots pix with a 15mm lens that include himself what else could you call it? When I want to lambast some politicion on my blog (www.thepriceofsilver.blogspot.com) I have Monkette do the talking and I'm off the hook.

Gumby
11-13-2008, 07:44
... schadenfreude ...

What the heck is this? Can you please rephrase it in Latin, the offficial language of RFF.

Rogrund
11-13-2008, 08:21
What the heck is this? Can you please rephrase it in Latin, the offficial language of RFF.

Gaudium ex damno aliorum

Andrew Sowerby
11-13-2008, 08:40
I'm with Keith ... not really sure how useful those photos would be to the dastardly gas station owner. Anyway, enjoy lording them over him.

OurManInTangier
11-13-2008, 09:04
Knowledge is power...and I can't be bothered to look up the Latin for Bacon's original phrase, I'd only get it wrong:rolleyes:

Maybe in this case it doesn't embue you with any actual power other than the power to laugh your socks off at the grumpy bugger, but then sometimes that enough:cool:

Enjoy the moment, I wish I such a moment to enjoy those that have harrassesd and jostled me. Schadenfreude, yep, just makes you human:angel:

MikeL
11-13-2008, 09:12
Knowledge is power...and I can't be bothered to look up the Latin for Bacon's original phrase, I'd only get it wrong:rolleyes:

I don't know much latin other than what I remember on my grandmother's wall (part Scottish)- Nemo me impune lassesit. Seems to fit here Jon. ;)

ClaremontPhoto
11-13-2008, 09:22
Maybe in this case it doesn't embue you with any actual power other than the power to laugh your socks off at the grumpy bugger, but then sometimes that enough.

Exactly, I'll go and see him tomorrow with a few prints to use if he needs them.

Then he owes me a drink.

Gabriel M.A.
11-13-2008, 19:43
Gaudium ex damno aliorum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPy0wxIdiGw

antiquark
11-13-2008, 19:53
But because he was so abusive and physical last time he's not going to get the photos this time.

Sell them to him! The cost of fixing that station might be $10000, surely you could sell the pictures for a piddly $500? :)

Al Kaplan
11-13-2008, 20:03
The insurance company is the one that'll be paying for the photos in the end, not the station owner.

Gumby
11-14-2008, 08:28
Then he owes me a drink.

BEWARE: the last time I accepted a drink from a service station owner was two years ago... it was Turkish coffee that had a higher octane rating than anything that might come out of his pumps!

MickH
11-14-2008, 11:04
Exactly, I'll go and see him tomorrow with a few prints to use if he needs them.

Then he owes me a drink.

Or perhaps your car/scooter?

John Rountree
11-14-2008, 18:48
Interesting progression of responses here. But I think Ghandi said it best: "An eye for an eye, and pretty soon the whole world is blind."

retnull
11-14-2008, 20:35
Oh dear -- maybe I am not understanding, but something about the original post is not making sense. The gas station owner did not have a point-n-shoot or cellphone camera, nor any of his employees...? Or, the photos for the insurance company needed the really nice bokeh that only Leica glass can provide?;-)

ClaremontPhoto
11-14-2008, 21:28
retnull:


I was the only person using a camera there.

It happened to be a Leica because that's what I had with me. A disposable would have served just as well.

MickH
11-19-2008, 08:10
Seen elsewhere on this forum...

Oh boy! (http://my-expressions.com/up_media/7454/pblog/11359/1227085333.JPG)

ClaremontPhoto
11-19-2008, 09:08
Yes, the truck just nudged it a tiny bit.

But it was unstable so yesterday (a week later) it was demolished.

Although the demolition took all day I was the only person there with a camera again.

Compare the photo in MickH's post above with my previous one in post #1.

jack palmer
11-19-2008, 09:26
Interesting progression of responses here. But I think Ghandi said it best: "An eye for an eye, and pretty soon the whole world is blind."

Makes for a level playing field.:D

ClaremontPhoto
11-19-2008, 09:36
A week ago...

http://my-expressions.com/up_media/7454/crunch.JPG

Yesterday...

http://my-expressions.com/up_media/7454/pblog/11359/1227085333.JPG


This is right outside my home and I can see it even as I type this now.

I estimate at least 6 months closure for rebuilding, and costs running into many hundreds of thousands.

Even yesterday's demolition must have been expensive as the site is small and the structure needed to be collapsed onto its own footprint very precisely.

One day this will be a photo set of before, during, and after.

George S.
11-19-2008, 10:11
Interesting progression of responses here. But I think Ghandi said it best: "An eye for an eye, and pretty soon the whole world is blind."

Yeah, but at least all the bad guys will get what they deserve which is not always the case under the present system!

ClaremontPhoto
11-19-2008, 10:18
What surprised me was that yesterday during the demolition the very same truck came by again, with another similar steel fabrication, and beeped and waved at the crew clearing up the mess he'd caused last week!

Spider67
11-19-2008, 10:31
Well "Schadenfreude" is a word that makes so many German speaking persons rather happy because after the huge influx of Anglo-American words into their language there is proof that German words are accepted into the English language (Hinterland, Leitmotv, Schmalz, Mensch - via Yiddish, Dreck, Blitz etc.)
Caesar is said to have humiliated some of his enemies by pardoning them. One of those was Brutus.....But I dont#t think that the owner and 31 of his buddies are going to stab you

jaapv
11-20-2008, 03:07
Ummm...What is there to prevent the gas station owner to lift the photo's off this thread? He only has to google something like Gas station truck photograph...

ClaremontPhoto
11-20-2008, 03:22
He doesn't know what the interweb is.

Anyway I gave the owner (not the manager) a selection of photos. Before, during, and after.

George S.
11-20-2008, 07:03
" Ummm...What is there to prevent the gas station owner to lift the photo's off this thread? He only has to google something like Gas station truck photograph... "

Original Post...
" The gas station manager was angry that I was on the sidewalk photographing the chaos. He pushed me about a bit. "

He doesn't seem to be all that smart.

ClaremontPhoto
11-20-2008, 07:48
He's a peasant. Likely he can't even sign his own name, and needs to give a thumb print. Seriously.