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Hi,
Some less exciting news about my new M6. I ran a roll through it and developed. There is a line all over the film of about 1.5-2mm thickness. Not really a scratch, but clearly visible. To make sure I ran another roll through it
first inspecting it, then throught the camera. Not developed and the same
line was visisble on te undeveloped film. Clearly happens in the camera.
Is this something which can happen on a new Leica M, which goes away after some rolls, or am I already in serious trouble ??
Put a neg in the enlarger, but had no time to develop a print yet. Saw no damage on the baseboard though.
Lord have mercy....
Henk
Henk, if you get the line on a piece of unexposed and undeveloped film, it is obviously a mechanical problem. Check your film-pressure plate for stuff stuck on it and also look at the inside of the take-up spool "cavity" of the camera and see if something is touching the film. Cab you identify if the scratch is on the back of the film (against the pressure plate) or on the emulsion side (against the filmgate) - check the filmgate opening too and look if there is something stuck on the vertical part of the film-gate cut out.
The scratch is on the back against the pressure plate. I myself can see
nothing wrong, but I'm no expert.
mknawabi
08-21-2008, 21:35
i hope you get everything figured out soon henk, don't let these impediments put a bad taste in your mouth.
Put another roll in it. Advanced some film, opened camera. Line is visible
already at the shutter. Advanced some more film, with back open. No more line. So I think it must be the pressure plate, but I can see nothing on it ????
What can this be ?
SolaresLarrave
08-21-2008, 22:02
Take it back to the store, if that's possible for you. Bring with the offending negatives too.
Now, if you bought the camera online... contact the seller.
Do you have scans of the problem? Is it 1.5mm thick on the negative itself? In the middle, top or bottom?
I had a similar problem with my Bessa L caused by a small bump in the take-up compartment. Although this clearly scratched the film it was impossible to detect by eye only. Finally I detected it by using a q-tip. A few strands of cotton got caught on the bump and I was able to file it down. You could try something similar.
/Ola
SolaresLarrave
08-21-2008, 22:04
I see you're online and just posted about the problem...
Evidently, the pressure plate.
Frankly, Henk, if you cannot take it to the store, take it to a technician.
Glad you're observant enough to notice these things on time! :) Good luck!
mknawabi
08-21-2008, 22:07
take a picture of the back for us?
Henk, I'd just take this straight back to the dealer and get them to refund your cash or give you a replacement camera (if they have one) - to my mind you'd be insane to start trying to fix the problem yourself if there is a problem with the pressure plate or the wining mechanism that is marking your film . If they sold it to you as a new camera, which is what I understand from the other thread, I'm assuming you have the same sort of rights as you would here in the UK to have it replaced/refunded if it's not "fit for purpose".
Good luck!
Hi,
I cleaned inside carefully and thourougly with isopropyl alcohol. This solved it.
For now I guess, because if I run a film through it several times I can begin to
see a line on he pressure plate coming up if I look carefully. But the film stays ok for now. I can then clean off the line on the pressure plate. So this is stuff coming from somewhere and it must be from the film.
What could be wrong with the pressureplate on a not used Leica ?
The pressureplate has a surface filled with curves. Is this the way it should be on an M6 ? Can not post photo because I have no digital equipment.
Thanks !
tmfabian
08-22-2008, 10:56
Hi,
I cleaned inside carefully and thourougly with isopropyl alcohol. This solved it.
For now I guess, because if I run a film through it several times I can begin to
see a line on he pressure plate coming up if I look carefully. But the film stays ok for now. I can then clean off the line on the pressure plate. So this is stuff coming from somewhere and it must be from the film.
What could be wrong with the pressureplate on a not used Leica ?
The pressureplate has a surface filled with curves. Is this the way it should be on an M6 ? Can not post photo because I have no digital equipment.
Thanks !
this could very well be glue from the film cassette oozing out from under the felt as you advance. I had an entire batch of film that this happened to.
of course this is purely speculation, I have no evidence for claiming this is what is happening with your equipment since i can't see it.
To be honest, I'd take it back and have the shops repair guy take a gander at it real quick.
Beemermark
08-22-2008, 18:36
Maybe you could but another batch of film and try it. That would rule out the film.
crawdiddy
08-22-2008, 18:51
What could be wrong with the pressureplate on a not used Leica ?
So I take it this is New Old Stock (NOS)? Cause there have been no new M6s for a while.
John Elder
08-22-2008, 19:21
Since the camera is under full warranty(prior thread) you should send it to Leica for a full cla. Not only do you want the problem solved, but have leica do a full cla on the camera, since the shutter speeds might be off due to being NOS for a decade or more. If you try a DIY repair you might void the warranty. Why fool around. Send it to Leica, a freebie cla. When I bought a new M6 in 1990, I sent the camera in for a full cla right before the end of the warranty. Got a complete cla at no cost. AND the camera came back working better than new.
keithdunlop
08-25-2008, 00:01
What could be wrong with the pressure plate on a not used Leica ?
Based on the information I received from the dealer in reply to your prior post, I'm not convinced that you received a factory new body. In fact, it's extremely rare to find any factory new M6 bodies anymore. The fact that your dealer told me they have only one in their store, but many "like new" used bodies, tends to supports this.
Did you get a full Passport warranty from Leica, or something else?
Hi,
I was told it was new, it surely looked new and unused and untouched. There was even the folie still on the baseplate. Of course I know that M6's are out of production for a while, but I figured it must have been NOS.
When I told full waranty in my previous post, I ment the full waranty given on all new products in Holland, namely 1 (one) year. It is not a full passport waranty.
But still I have the one year waranty. I phoned them today and I will bring it back to the shop tomorrow.
I got nearly sick and depressed from this Leica failure, because I had sold my M4-P to fund this one, and because the rest of this M6 works really beautiful.
But I'll guess it will work out for me, but I'll have to live with the fact of not having a Leica around for some weeks...
I will keep you informed
http://leica-users.org/v10/msg01017.html
Brrr, the fact that on some repaired M6's the problem was not solved scares me.
I will have to sweat it out.
Call Leica Holland and give them the camera´s SN, to find out if it´s a grey market body:mad:. Return the camera or send it to Leica for a CLA - explain the problem in writing;).
Brrr, the fact that on some repaired M6's the problem was not solved scares me.
I will have to sweat it out.
When you send it in for service also include a strip of the negatives. That eliminates any doubt about the problem. Leica will return the negs once they have fixed the camera.
Henk,
rlouzan, is right, it would be worth-wile to check with leica.
It has been rumored that somethimes shops (even outside USA) sell returned camera's from the US. In the US apparently, it is easy to return an object shortly after purchase if one is not happy with it. These then are not new anymore, of course. Some shops will buy these at a discount and could sell them as new....
What is the shop you have it from???
Mad_boy
nobbylon
08-25-2008, 14:30
Henk,
if all else fails and you want to keep the M6, take it to Will van Manen in zoetermeer. I've had both my m6ttl fixed for a light leak that others couldn't and my MP that, out of factory, had slow speeds that didn't work properly fixed. He really does know what he's doing and I would just send it or take it over to him,
succes, john
Joop van Heijgen
08-25-2008, 15:26
Henk,
rlouzan, is right, it would be worth-wile to check with leica.
It has been rumored that somethimes shops (even outside USA) sell returned camera's from the US. In the US apparently, it is easy to return an object shortly after purchase if one is not happy with it. These then are not new anymore, of course. Some shops will buy these at a discount and could sell them as new....
What is the shop you have it from???
Mad_boy
What is the shop you have it from?
www.kamera-express.nl (http://www.kamera-express.nl)
5 miles from the place where I live Capelle a/d IJssel near Rotterdam.
Not a very good shop:
a friend of my bougth a year ago a Leicaflex SL and a R2,0/50 Summicron lens. (€250,-)
A Leica repairman in Nijmegen Holland has to repair the camera and the lens substantially within a month!!
Kamera-express refused to pay the bill of the repair...
This is not a very reliable shop. Never buy a Leica in that shop:bang:
Joop,
I must say that I have had very good experiences with Kamera express.
I dealt with the owner Peter Merceij about 25 years ago well before he started Kamera express and continued doing so until this day. My experiences have always been excellent and I have never been disappointed with the service. Mostly I have bought new Leica cameras and lenses and new Rolleiflex. Once I bought a Leica R7 used in beautiful condition, but looking through the viewfinder I was surprised to see some tiny insects. One telephone call and I was told to return it and the purchase price was immediately refunded.
Just like Henk I bought two of the M6 NOS cameras two years ago from them. When I sent one of them to Leica to have the rangefinder updated to the MP type it was treated as a new camera - I only had to pay for the viewfinder and the complete CLA was free.
Maurice
Oef, Achi4, finally some good news !! Thanks for that, I needed that.
As told today I brought back the camera to kamera-express, with a scratched
film as example. Their service repair man had a quick look and the decision
was instantly made to sent it to Leica Holland. I think he said Utrecht, so
I guess it must be importer Odin . They told me it would take a couple of weeks. So indeed, so far I have no complaints about the shop itself and made none.
I hope I get the same treatment as you did Achi4 !! and that the 1 year waranty will take care off the financial consequences.
I'll keep you informed.
Joop van Heijgen
08-26-2008, 12:26
Joop,
I must say that I have had very good experiences with Kamera express.
I dealt with the owner Peter Merceij about 25 years ago well before he started Kamera express and continued doing so until this day. My experiences have always been excellent and I have never been disappointed with the service. Mostly I have bought new Leica cameras and lenses and new Rolleiflex. Once I bought a Leica R7 used in beautiful condition, but looking through the viewfinder I was surprised to see some tiny insects. One telephone call and I was told to return it and the purchase price was immediately refunded.
Just like Henk I bought two of the M6 NOS cameras two years ago from them. When I sent one of them to Leica to have the rangefinder updated to the MP type it was treated as a new camera - I only had to pay for the viewfinder and the complete CLA was free.
Maurice
Kamera Express is not the same like 'Foto Uniek' it was!
"Kamera-express refused to pay the bill of the repair..."
I have other experiences see my quote above!:cool:
Joop van Heijgen
08-26-2008, 12:39
Oef, Achi4, finally some good news !! Thanks for that, I needed that.
As told today I brought back the camera to kamera-express, with a scratched
film as example. Their service repair man had a quick look and the decision
was instantly made to sent it to Leica Holland. I think he said Utrecht, so
I guess it must be importer Odin . They told me it would take a couple of weeks. So indeed, so far I have no complaints about the shop itself and made none.
I hope I get the same treatment as you did Achi4 !! and that the 1 year waranty will take care off the financial consequences.
I'll keep you informed.
The Leica importer Odin don't exist any longer since they stopped years ago with their business.
The only Leica importer (not service!!:mad:) at moment in Holland is: Transcontinenta in Nieuw Vennep Holland.
http://webserver.transcontinenta.nl/
A repair in Solms will take mostly a lot of time and money...:rolleyes:
Or Kamera-Express will find another (unknown?) cheap Leica repairman in the Netherlands for your camera....?
Joop,
Let us play the ball for now, not the man. This was a thread about my
M6 having a problem and my quest for a solution.
So far my dealing with the shop has been OK. I will be patient and await
the return of my M6. Should things still not be OK, then I'm sure another solution will be found.
Thanks.
Joop van Heijgen
08-27-2008, 10:56
Joop,
Let us play the ball for now, not the man. This was a thread about my
M6 having a problem and my quest for a solution.
So far my dealing with the shop has been OK. I will be patient and await
the return of my M6. Should things still not be OK, then I'm sure another solution will be found.
Thanks.
"This was a thread about my
M6 having a problem and my quest for a solution."
And not only here: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/61613-new-m6-scratches-film.html
My solution was not to buy with Kamera-Express:cool:
I wish you luck with Kamera-Express...
9 weeks after it has been sent 'Home' to Leica Germany, the M6 has returned
with a new pressure plate and a revision, under waranty, no cost.
Tomorrow I will be picking it up, finally.
Livesteamer
10-31-2008, 04:48
Good Luck Henk and Thank You for your patience. Once you get an M6 that is right it can be a friend for life. Joe
I have the M6 with me again. Ran 2 films through it today, they came out cristal clear !
The camera was delivered in a nice little Leica customer service bag as well :)
SolaresLarrave
10-31-2008, 10:55
I'm glad to hear about your camera being now well and working! And I must commend you for being that observant on the results. When I purchased my first Leica I never noticed the very slight leaks it had until it was too late, and the 90-day warranty (it was a used body) was about to run out. In the end, I had to send it to Leica in the US... twice, and as a result I have two of those nice Leica bags you have! :)
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