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Well, this is a bit shocking to me. I love this camera, so much so that I ordered a screen protector with adhesive on the edges to protect the panel. For cleaning, I tried to remove the protector and off came the clear panel that protects the LCD!!! It seems this is GLUED on!!! Anyone out there had this problem? This camera is built like any other M EXCEPT for this glue job!! I still have until next May until my warenty runs out. What do all of you think of this? What would be my best course of action?
tmfabian
08-03-2008, 19:08
Well, go figure. I own very expensive digital cameras and very inexpensive digital P&S, and that never happened to me before. Must be an M8 thing.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Anywhere adhesives are used this can happen. Best bet is to give a holler to leica and see what your options are...who knows it may even be as simple as them mailing you a new cover. I assume they'll cover it under warranty in any case, it seems like a manufacturer defect.
I will just say I took a rag and wiped off finger prints and it came off!
This should NOT happen with a $5000 camera! I went to Wal Mart and looked at the way the cheapo stuff was made, and it seems the plastic is more securue. If I designed this thing, I would have had a metal frame screwed on to hold it in. No glue like the cheap Japanese stuff. I am sure they will cover it in warrenty, but it is another design flaw!
I still love the camera though!
It looks like a thin black adhesive strip shaped like the outer edge of the clear material that Leica used to secure this thing to the camera. Kind of like double sided very thin tape. Screws would have worked much better!!!
This protector had a thin strip just on the edge. Not anything that would be destructive at all.
tmfabian
08-03-2008, 19:17
It looks like a thin black adhesive strip shaped like the outer edge of the clear material that Leica used to secure this thing to the camera. Kind of like double sided very thin tape. Screws would have worked much better!!!
Post a picture, you've got me curious about what this thing looks like with pieces missing.
Right this minute, I separated the protector from the Leica Plastic that was in front of the LCD. Very little adhesive strength in the protector. This means this thing could fall out with or without a protector. There is a flaw.
Make sure that if any of you are in the field with this thing, bring some tape to secure the plastic if it comes out. This way, the LCD will not be damaged!
Cannot post right now due to the M8 being my only digital and cannot take a photo of the camera unless film is involved. The Leica plastic is an exact fit on the frame. It rests on a metal frame in front of the LCD.
The inner metal frame is the same size as the black frame line around the LCD display.
Goodness! I certainly don't expect this from the Leica M8. Perhaps yours is an exception in the production quality control.
Cheers,
hm....makes me wonder how the new sapphire screen is supposed to fit on there if they are just using double sided tape instead of some sort of hook and lock design. Sapphire crystal is a lot heavier then plastic so it should be interesting to see.
photomoof
08-03-2008, 20:19
Well, this is a bit shocking to me. I love this camera, so much so that I ordered a screen protector with adhesive on the edges to protect the panel. For cleaning, I tried to remove the protector and off came the clear panel that protects the LCD!!! It seems this is GLUED on!!! Anyone out there had this problem? This camera is built like any other M EXCEPT for this glue job!! I still have until next May until my warenty runs out. What do all of you think of this? What would be my best course of action?
Almost all LCD panels are glued on, so they can easily be replaced without taking off body panels, and you are not supposed to glue anything to them. There are screen protector sheets you can use (I use the ones made for iPods) that stay on without glue.
You simply glued something with a wider glue strip than the protector, so the glue on the protector gave way first when you tried to rip it off.
You will have to have it glued back on, simple as that, and don't glue anything to it in the future, or any other screen, they are all going to let go if you pull hard enough on them. I have been reading the RFF for some time now and have never heard of anyone pulling off the screen protector.
These rigid aftermaket protectors should NOT touch the screen -- but even properly installed -- they are a super pain to get off.
http://www.acmaxx.net/remove.html
The one you used was the wrong size if it was glued to the screen itself.
My advice... don't use these silly things, just use the thin sheets.
Well, I see what is involved in removal. This is indeed what I have. I am a film guy, and this is all new to me as far as how fragile these things are. I Guess being an M guy, I expected too much as far as what it could take. I have another flaw in the M8 in that the zoom function on the control wheel will not will not work. This was before all of this nonsense with the screen protector.
I assume Leica will repair both without too much trouble regarding my warrenty.
photomoof
08-03-2008, 22:09
I think there should be no (or little cost). By the way these screens almost never fail, there is really nothing to pull them off, much like rugs tend to stay on the floor, since they have gravity on their side.
These glueing screenprotectors are rubbish. My brother stuck one on the M8 and the glue attacked the coating of the LCD. He is getting the upgrade now....
Btw, LCD screen covers are glued on on all cameras. And can be pulled off by this method.
Christian Erhard told me the reason Leica wants $700 to upgrade the LCD screen (if you get it separately from the shutter) is because they have to take the camera just as far apart. So now I'm confused as to what the real truth is.
If they just glue in the new scratch proof screen for $700 or so, that is a rip off! Some after market source will make new plastic screens for $25. When the old one gets scratched, just pop in a new one!
They have to remove and reposition the new cover in a dustfree overpressure room at the least. I do not know if the exchange of plastic for quarz glass entails any other changes to the LCD assembly, but it may well be so. In that case the whole LCD will have to be removed.
BillBlackwell
08-04-2008, 10:47
... I tried to remove the protector and off came the clear panel that protects the LCD!!! It seems this is GLUED on!!! Anyone out there had this problem? ...
I purchased my M8 through Leica's refurb program. After having a myriad of small issues with the camera the exact thing you're describing happen to me.
This was the last straw - this compiled with the other issues I had with the camera caused Leica to replace it under warranty.
I would at least send the camera in for warranty repair – if you try to fix it yourself you’ll risk having the warranty voided.
Christian Erhard told me the reason Leica wants $700 to upgrade the LCD screen (if you get it separately from the shutter) is because they have to take the camera just as far apart. So now I'm confused as to what the real truth is.
It is my understanding the new sapphire crystal back is actually molded onto the body and is not able to be removed at all without the entire back section coming off with it.
monochromejrnl
08-04-2008, 14:07
Cannot post right now due to the M8 being my only digital and cannot take a photo of the camera unless film is involved. The Leica plastic is an exact fit on the frame. It rests on a metal frame in front of the LCD.
The inner metal frame is the same size as the black frame line around the LCD display.
surely you can post an image of the plastic piece that has fallen off? perhaps then we can see where it was adhered to the LCD screen...
BillBlackwell
08-04-2008, 14:34
surely you can post an image of the plastic piece that has fallen off? perhaps then we can see where it was adhered to the LCD screen...
The plastic LCD glass mounts into a frame just above the LCD monitor. If you have ever seen an M8 and looked at the LCD, it can be seen there is really only one way the clear plastic screen can mount - that is along the edges (like a window would mount into a frame).
One could simply bead the edges with super glue (or some other strong adhesive) and put the screen permanently back into place. But again, this would very probably void what is left on Leica’s warranty.
The plastic LCD glass mounts into a frame just above the LCD monitor. If you have ever seen an M8 and looked at the LCD, it can be seen there is really only one way the clear plastic screen can mount - that is along the edges (like a window would mount into a frame).
One could simply bead the edges with super glue (or some other strong adhesive) and put the screen permanently back into place. But again, this would very probably void what is left on Leica’s warranty.
And leave openings for dust to get in between the cover and the screen....
surely you can post an image of the plastic piece that has fallen off? perhaps then we can see where it was adhered to the LCD screen...
The edges. And not to the screen itself, I can assure you.
One could simply bead the edges with super glue (or some other strong adhesive) and put the screen permanently back into place. But again, this would very probably void what is left on Leica’s warranty.
I would absolutely not use superglue/crazyglue aka cyanoacrylate. It tends to react with certain plastics and the outgassing turns the plastic cloudy/frosty.
I don't understand why one would put a screen protector on a screen protector (sort of like putting a filter on to protect your filter?:)) but I also do know that Leica M8 cameras are not infrequent visitors to Leica for repairs. I think that the M8 is built like a digital camera, not like a film camera. All those extra things that go into making the M8 a digital camera are the things that are most likely to break or have issues. Subtract those things and you probably have the dependability of a film camera.
I would wonder too if M8s are making any more frequent trips to the repair shop than say, Nikon D200s or Canon 5Ds or even Canon 1Ds MkIII, given equal levels of use (and as a percentage of total cameras sold of course.) Certainly the latter camera has had a lot of AF problems, problems, which again you wouldn't have if the camera had no AF. This may sound like specious reasoning, but mechanically speaking, I would expect that the durability of a digital camera would be lower than the durability of a film camera, even if the digital camera costs $5500. There are just more things to go wrong on it.
That's why the guarantee is much more important on gizmos, as is customer service. And those two things should be why you spent $5500 on the camera - that Leica as a reputable company would stand behind its camera and repair or replace any defective item that may appear. If not, paying $5500 may have been too much.
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