View Full Version : Bad Photoshop Day: Tehran
amateriat
07-17-2008, 10:04
Looks like somebody (http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/10/in-an-iranian-image-a-missile-too-many/) needs to brush up their PS chops.
By this time, of course, he might be getting asked about picking his choice of blindfold...
- Barrett
Great, so it means there won't be another war!
By this time, of course, he might be getting asked about picking his choice of blindfold...
- Barrett
Barrett, you got that wrong - not a choice of blindfold but instead just how sharp a blade he would prefer on the scimitar :D
Dave
If you want to get really depressed, read this New Yorker article. (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07/07/080707fa_fact_hersh/)
If you want to get really depressed, read this New Yorker article. (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07/07/080707fa_fact_hersh/)
Perhaps you can educate me.
How does that seven page article from <i>The New Yorker</i> relate to the image that was photoshopped by Sepah News in Iran?
I haven't seen any comments from what I've read so far regarding photography or photoshop.
Just curious,
Dave
Perhaps you can educate me.
How does that seven page article from <i>The New Yorker</i> relate to the image that was photoshopped by Sepah News in Iran?
I haven't seen any comments from what I've read so far regarding photography or photoshop.
Just curious,
Dave
You're right.
I also think they should have used those photoshop plug-ins to get the grain right because a missile looks totally awesome with Trix pushed two stops than HP5. ;)
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
This is exactly why I'm against the Bush administration's use of propaganda by paying Pentagon people and other "hacks" to ask softball questions and write bogus stories in the media--because once you get caught, your credibility is hard to get back. That's assuming you believe the USG, or any government, should behave more credibly than the shabby lawyer for a mob family. This story won't surprise those of us who realize that Iran is ruled by the clerics, backed by the Revolutionary Guards, who are like an untouchable government within a government. They're the ones who blew up the Khobar Towers in the mid-1990's, and Clinton pretty much swept it under the rug. Problem is, there's no simple solution.
I thought with the prices of oil so high Iranians would be able to afford two more rockets. rofl
Tuolumne
07-17-2008, 11:36
Next...an atom bomb test.
/T
oftheherd
07-17-2008, 11:47
I thought with the prices of oil so high Iranians would be able to afford two more rockets. rofl
Or the PS advanced course. :D :D
Or the PS advanced course. :D :D
hehe.. yes.. and we're now back on topic :)
I have to wonder, just how much of our "news" images are actually manipulated in some way.
Is it easier now via photoshop than it was say, in the 1950's? Or is it that we're just more attuned to the fact that it can, if necessary, be done with ease?
Dave
I was right, the missiles look far more scary and cold-war-ish with Trix 400 pushed two stops plugin for photoshop.
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/6447/ledemissiles1he1.jpg
It is rather insulting to those of us that have grown up with photoshop as a tool for this sort of rubbish to make it to print. Come on now, if you are going to try and fool us do a good job of it!
amateriat
07-17-2008, 12:11
Barrett started this thread on "bad photo-shopping".
It then descended straight away into: war, beheadings, american foreign policy and atom bombs.
Could a mod please move this thread to the "War" sub-forum of RFF?
Hold it...we have one of those now...?
What bothers me the most is the levels of media filtration the doctored images slipped though without a proper vetting, and how many news organs ran with it unquestioningly.
Now, I can just hear our Defense Secretary's voice bouncing off the walls at the Pentagon: "See? We haven't used the Spot Healing Brush all that much, but Ahmadin...what's-his-name, he's using it all the time now! He's creating a Spot Healing Gap before our damn eyes, and we're not doing a damn thing about it. We canNOT have a Spot Healing Gap!!!"
And so on...
- Barrett
Al Patterson
07-17-2008, 12:32
Perhaps you can educate me.
How does that seven page article from <i>The New Yorker</i> relate to the image that was photoshopped by Sepah News in Iran?
I haven't seen any comments from what I've read so far regarding photography or photoshop.
Just curious,
Dave
From what I see, they are both about Iran. I'm not willing to opine further...
dazedgonebye
07-17-2008, 12:33
Hold it...we have one of those now...?
What bothers me the most is the levels of media filtration the doctored images slipped though without a proper vetting, and how many news organs ran with it unquestioningly.
Now, I can just hear our Defense Secretary's voice bouncing off the walls at the Pentagon: "See? We haven't used the Spot Healing Brush all that much, but Ahmadin...what's-his-name, he's using it all the time now! He's creating a Spot Healing Gap before our damn eyes, and we're not doing a damn thing about it. We canNOT have a Spot Healing Gap!!!"
And so on...
- Barrett
Don't worry, judging from the craptastic level of work shown in that picture, I'm pretty sure we can get together a team of college kids to kick thier butts.
Your point about the images getting through the media is well taken. That the images were fake was discovered by a conservative blogging site and all the big boys must have been a bit embarrased...or at least they should have been.
Now, I can just hear our Defense Secretary's voice bouncing off the walls at the Pentagon: "See? We haven't used the Spot Healing Brush all that much, but Ahmadin...what's-his-name, he's using it all the time now! He's creating a Spot Healing Gap before our damn eyes, and we're not doing a damn thing about it. We canNOT have a Spot Healing Gap!!!"
And so on...
- Barrett
hehe... Photoshop Cold War.... cool :D
Dave
Al Patterson
07-17-2008, 12:57
I must admit though that the modified picture has better compostion than the unmodified one.
hehe.. yes.. and we're now back on topic :)
I have to wonder, just how much of our "news" images are actually manipulated in some way.
Dave
This one comes to mind...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/CE746A.jpg
Looking at it now we can easily conclude that it was a terribly bad manipulation job.
victoriapio
07-18-2008, 06:19
This one comes to mind...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/CE746A.jpg
Looking at it now we can easily conclude that it was a terribly bad manipulation job.
Many friends of mine are newspaper photographers and I will unequivically say that were they to manipulate a photo and it was discovered, they would be fired immediately. No second chance, no debate. Manipulating photos is considered as bad as the NY Times plagarizing scandal.
In Iran, of course, the situation is obviously different :D
Olsen,
Has it ever been proven that the image that you're referring to (of Lee Harvey Oswald) was doctored or manipulated?
That is, was there an "outing" of the photographer/news agency and then, subsequent disdain for said photographer/news agency?
Or is that just the usual "conspiracy theory" stuff?
Dave
enochRoot
07-18-2008, 06:32
some more outtakes have been released ;)
http://digg.funniestclip.com/iran_photoshop/
Al Patterson
07-18-2008, 06:33
Olsen,
Has it ever been proven that the image that you're referring to (of Lee Harvey Oswald) was doctored or manipulated?
That is, was there an "outing" of the photographer/news agency and then, subsequent disdain for said photographer/news agency?
Or is that just the usual "conspiracy theory" stuff?
Dave
I love the JFK Conspiracy nutjobs, they would be amusing if not so pathetic...
Having read a few books on the subject, this photo has either been proved to be real or proved to be manipulated, depending on whose book you read. Check out a book called "Case Closed" for the non-conspiracy view.
Iranians are very crafty. They got rid of their old nemesis Saddam using American army, they have a Shiite government in power in Iraq, which is in their pocket, they have build a strong relationship with Russia which helps them in UN security council and off course they're close to building nuclear weapons because US is stuck in Iraq and Afghanistan and with no more public support for another war to able to stop them by force.
... And Israel would not even dare to attack Iran because that will push the gas prices to extreme heights, which neither McCain nor Obama's campaign would want to happen in this election year - not to mention sending the US economy to a severe recession and a probable depression.
I think the US is pretty much in twilight of its superpowerdom, and a lot of smart people in US already know that.
We must all get ready to welcome our new superpower overlord - China!
anselwannab
07-18-2008, 07:21
The interesting thing is that they released a version of the pic with out the fourth missile. So did they photoshop one in, or take one out ;)
How many missiles did Saddam test today? I wonder what Iraq is going to do with the money they got from selling Saddam's yellow cake to the Canadian company that makes uranium for nuclear reactors? The only Iraqi bomb it seems we need to worry about is the fizziling out of their civil war.
Oswald wasn't killed because he was in on the conspiracy to assasinate Kennedy, he was killed because he had invented the 50mpg car, running on Brown's gas, cooking grease, and Bisquick. Come on people, he was killed in Texas, and where are all the oil companies.
Sometimes I think you could get some people to believe anything, as long as the voice-over is done by that guy who narrates Frontline.
Olsen,
Has it ever been proven that the image that you're referring to (of Lee Harvey Oswald) was doctored or manipulated?
That is, was there an "outing" of the photographer/news agency and then, subsequent disdain for said photographer/news agency?
Or is that just the usual "conspiracy theory" stuff?
Dave
Dave,
I don't know what you mean about 'the usual conspiracy theory', but political assassinations are happening. We have had some 20 of them only here in Europe since WWII. They are a fact of life.
Further...
There is passed no verdict in a US court of law in the JFK assassination. Only 'theories'. Which also is typical of political assassinations. Some believe that LHO did it alone, but the majority of the US population that lived to see the assassination of JFK believe that it was 'a conspiracy'. I share the view of that majority of Americans on this.
One circumstantial evidence is this stupid picture where LHO poses with a communist newspaper & guns. For what purpose?
Otherwise I would recommend that you read about the death bed confessions of E. Howard Hunt and Lindon B. johnson's misstress, Madeleine Duncan Brown. Link to interview here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1929769365635576415
(http://hubpages.com/hub/Madeleine_Duncan_Brown)
Al Patterson
07-18-2008, 07:53
The interesting thing is that they released a version of the pic with out the fourth missile. So did they photoshop one in, or take one out ;)
How many missiles did Saddam test today? I wonder what Iraq is going to do with the money they got from selling Saddam's yellow cake to the Canadian company that makes uranium for nuclear reactors? The only Iraqi bomb it seems we need to worry about is the fizziling out of their civil war.
Oswald wasn't killed because he was in on the conspiracy to assasinate Kennedy, he was killed because he had invented the 50mpg car, running on Brown's gas, cooking grease, and Bisquick. Come on people, he was killed in Texas, and where are all the oil companies.
Sometimes I think you could get some people to believe anything, as long as the voice-over is done by that guy who narrates Frontline.
That's pretty funny. You've made me wonder what a gallon of Bisquick costs...
As for me, I'll believe anything if Rod Serling does the voiceover.
Al Patterson
07-18-2008, 08:01
Dave,
I don't know what you mean about 'the usual conspiracy theory', but political assassinations are happening. We have had some 20 of them only here in Europe since WWII. They are a fact of life.
Further...
There is passed no verdict in a US court of law in the JFK assassination. Only 'theories'. Which also is typical of political assassinations. Some believe that LHO did it alone, but the majority of the US population that lived to see the assassination of JFK believe that it was 'a conspiracy'. I share the view of that majority of Americans on this.
One circumstantial evidence is this stupid picture where LHO poses with a communist newspaper & guns. For what purpose?
Otherwise I would recommend that you read about the death bed confessions of E. Howard Hunt and Lindon B. johnson's misstress, Madeleine Duncan Brown. Link to interview here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1929769365635576415
(http://hubpages.com/hub/Madeleine_Duncan_Brown)
Alex Jones produced video? Tinfoil helmet alert! This is NOT a reputable source my friend...
Al,
Would you call Earl Warren 'reputable', would you...?
jan normandale
07-18-2008, 08:15
This banana version (http://www.flickr.com/photos/greynotgrey/2655634249/) has been around for about a week. Here's another it's a fun one to read (http://www.boingboing.net/2008/07/10/iran-you-suck-at-pho.html) I'm sure the OP / Barrett will enjoy it. "Close that banana gap!"
This is the real thing, it was taken with the latest infrared satellite.
No photoshop was used, some skeptics noted that the man on the bottom right is very big compare to the rock, but this is because he was close to the satellite when this photograph was taken...
http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/2002image/netherpopup.gif
jan normandale
07-19-2008, 00:15
I think that's the blue print that Maurits Escher provided in his 'ascending / descending' plans where you could do both at the same time . They just don't seem to get the hang of using PS to it's max like we can, still they may be narrowing the gap ;- )
Al Patterson
07-19-2008, 16:06
Al,
Would you call Earl Warren 'reputable', would you...?
More so than Alex Jones, but in general, no, I don't.
And that also goes for Senator Arlen Spector and Former President Gerald Ford, who also served on the Warren Commision.
More so than Alex Jones, but in general, no, I don't.
And that also goes for Senator Arlen Spector and Former President Gerald Ford, who also served on the Warren Commision.
I have no idea who Alex Jones is. But I find Madeleine Duncan Brown's statement trustworthy. Most of what she says is confirmed by other sources long ago. - Guess I have read a few thousand pages on the issue and seen most of the TV documentary on the assassinations. That an important meeting happened at Murchinson just prior to the JFK assassination has been known for more than 40 years. Who attended has been listed by others too, but even most 'conspiracy buffs' havn't dared to believe that LBJ was in on it, at least not so deep. Before now, after this Madaleine Duncan Brown statement and the death bed confession of H. Howard Hunt. Others have come with similar statements, that LBJ was in on it, through the years, but have not been taken seriously. Typical is Jack Ruby, to name one.
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