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Are there any regular users of Elite Chrome 100 here? I tried a few rolls recently (because I got it cheap), and I have to say I'm a bit disappointed by the results. The colours look over-saturated (though not like Velvia - the Elite Chrome colours look cruder and more false - it's hard to describe it, but I hope you get some idea what I mean). It also seems to be prone to blue (with grey stone looking quite blue), but that may be due to the blue surroundings I was shooting in (bright sky, lake).
In general, I can't help thinking it just looks under exposed - I exposed it at ISO 100 in my M6, which I know has an accurate meter. Has anyone tried rating it at a slower speed?
(I guess I could post a few scans, but I'm wary that the colour results from the scanner won't be accurate enough for an assessment of the film itself, so I'd be grateful for a few thoughts first, if anyone has any)
Not a very popular film then, I guess :rolleyes:
jan normandale
04-22-2008, 12:18
Alan, do you have any you want to sell. It's not available in Canada and I've wanted to try it for the past year.
Alan, do you have any you want to sell. It's not available in Canada and I've wanted to try it for the past year
No, sorry, I only had four rolls and I used them all in one weekend. But I'd be happy to buy a few rolls here and send them to you if you want some - I'm going to be ordering more film very soon, and Elite Chrome 100 from my usual supplier is currently on offer at £1.99 a roll (I don't know what that is in C$).
I've run several rolls of the "extra colour" version of this I think it's EBX.
The extra colour saturation gives very dramatic "Disney" colour that is striking to say the least. It worked well for me on the right type of shot, man made, lights, cars, fun-fair etc. I seem to remember that it was not so bad for my landscapes, but only if it had no people in it.
Snap shots of my family gave them vivid orange skin tones, quite unpleasant. I always ran mine (100 ASA) at 125 ASA on my GR1v and Nikon F70.
jan normandale
04-22-2008, 12:40
Alan and Fidget interesting thread.. I've been wanting to use both these films for the very reason you are not liking them.
Do you know if it is available in 120 as well as the usual 135?
Alan, not to be a pest but it's probably easier for me to order from them don't you think? Unless they won't ship to Canada. But I'm interested in 5-10 rolls of each and would be very interested in the 120 because I shoot that also.
I've tried it once and had the same under-exposed experience.
I've run several rolls of the "extra colour" version of this I think it's EBX.
Ah, I hadn't realised there were two versions. I don't still have the boxes or cans, but I've just checked the film and does say "Kodak EBX" on it. And yes, "Disney Colour" is a good way of describing the results.
Jan, if you want any I can get either normal (http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=777_1&products_id=6168) or Extra Color (http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=6166)
Alan, not to be a pest but it's probably easier for me to order from them don't you think? Unless they won't ship to Canada
The place I get film, 7dayshop, ships to UK only, but you might be able to find other UK suppliers that will ship to Canada - if you can't find any and you want me to help, drop me a line. I don't know if they make it in 120, but 7dayshop don't have any.
jan normandale
04-22-2008, 12:56
this looks pretty cool! will they ship outside the UK? Or would I need to order/pay for it and have it shipped to you for re-posting?
heh.. crossed posting .. I see they don't ship outside the UK.. that answers that one.
this looks pretty cool! will they ship outside the UK? Or would I need to order/pay for it and have it shipped to you for re-posting?
I've sent you an email - let me know here if you don't get it :)
I shot a roll recently with my Jupiter 3 (not very contrasty) and I felt the colors looked kind of flat honestly... haha.
The place I get film, 7dayshop, ships to UK only, but you might be able to find other UK suppliers that will ship to Canada - if you can't find any and you want me to help, drop me a line. I don't know if they make it in 120, but 7dayshop don't have any.
Elite chrome in not done in 120. If you need 120 you need to buy:
E100G for Elite chrome 100
E100VS for Elite chrome 100 extra color
E200 for Elite chrome 200
By the way I definitely prefer Kodak colours to Fuji Velvia. In the end, both are a bit off, but many people are used to the way Velvia is off, since that was how everything in the 90ies and first half of the 00s was.
If you want less saturation than the E100G/Elite 100 try the E200/Elite 200. Due to the speed this has slightly more grain. E100G/Elite 100 are the least grainy of the lot. Not much difference in grain between E100VS and E200.
E100VS for Elite chrome 100 extra color
I see E100VS is also available in 35mm, so what's the difference between 35mm E100VS and 35mm Elite Chrome Extra Color?
I see E100VS is also available in 35mm, so what's the difference between 35mm E100VS and 35mm Elite Chrome Extra Color?
All of the E100 and E200 are available in 35mm. The E100, E200 are professional emulsions, the Elite range used to be sold as amateur emulsions (nowadays marketed as professional as well). Key difference is the E films are marketed at their optimum ripeness, while amateur emulsions are sold before that point. Hence professional emulsions need fridge storage to slow further ripening, while amateur emulsions can be stored outside the fridge at about room temperature. The warmer temperature allows them to ripen further.
In general you achieve tighter tolerances with professional film (and proper professional development).
With respect to which to prefer? Try them and check whether you see a difference. If not in 35mm you can buy Elite, in 120 you have to buy the proper E-stuff.
Here's some scans from my recent Elite Chrome Extra Color shots. Hopefully you can see the very deep colours, the high contrast, the complete lack of shadow detail, and apparently general underexposure. These are all shot with an M6 and a Summicron-C 40, and I know the M6 meter is accurate. Knowing now what this film is like, I think I'd like to use it more in other circumstances - probably not in bright sunshine, but for more overcast landscapes I think it might be good. And I think I'd like to try it with maybe a third of a stop extra exposure.
and the last three (with a couple of nice orange faces)
Thanks Joachim, that's very interesting.
Roger Hicks
04-23-2008, 13:33
I see E100VS is also available in 35mm, so what's the difference between 35mm E100VS and 35mm Elite Chrome Extra Color?
A good question.
In theory: pro vs. amateur film (better QC for speed and colour).
In reality, given the very high standard of modern Kodak QC, I suspect that the answer (barring very badly kept film) is 'edge markings'.
I've used a lot of EBX and although it renders complexions a bit 'high' (like a slab of liver, especially if underexposed) I find it very good for most other subjects.
Cheers,
R.
I've used a lot of EBX and although it renders complexions a bit 'high' (like a slab of liver, especially if underexposed) I find it very good for most other subjects.
Hehe, yes, "slab of liver" is a good description. Now I know what to expect, I think I could happily use it for some subjects - and I'm definitely going to give my next lot a bit more exposure.
Key difference is the E films are marketed at their optimum ripeness, while amateur emulsions are sold before that point. Hence professional emulsions need fridge storage to slow further ripening, while amateur emulsions can be stored outside the fridge at about room temperature. The warmer temperature allows them to ripen further.
No, they're not.
"Ripeness" has nothing to do with the pro/amateur divides. It's a persistent Internet meme, and one day there will be a persistent enough counter-meme.
The reason why pro films are kept cool is simply to keep them from shifting colour. Mucho important when you need consistency. Amateur films are not kept cool because people don't care about a 5CC magenta shift.
Here's some scans from my recent Elite Chrome Extra Color shots. ...
You should have written it was Extra Color (product code EBX). Now your comments make a lot more sense. I thought you discussed Elite 100 (product code EB).
EBX is extremely contrasty and I also find it tricky to handle when there are deep shadows. EB is a lot lower contrast and finer grain. To me, this one is a lot easier.
You should have written it was Extra Color (product code EBX). Now your comments make a lot more sense. I thought you discussed Elite 100 (product code EB)
Yeah, sorry, I hadn't actually realised it was EBX when I first posted - I just thought it was "Elite Chrome" and didn't know there were two kinds.
No, they're not.
"Ripeness" has nothing to do with the pro/amateur divides. It's a persistent Internet meme, and one day there will be a persistent enough counter-meme.
Maybe it is so persistent because it was started by this Kodak technical publication (http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/support/techPubs/e6/e6.jhtml?id=0.1.14.36.7.16.60&lc=en).
Maybe it is so persistent because it was started by this Kodak technical publication (http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/support/techPubs/e6/e6.jhtml?id=0.1.14.36.7.16.60&lc=en).
Let's read it together...
"Kodak builds a small manufacturing bias into films for general picture-taking to compensate for changes produced by typical storage conditions and delays between purchase and processing."
This does not imply that amateur films are meant to be aged. It means that amateur films are designed with wider tolerances, bearing in mind that they are likely to sit on shelves and be mishandled. It's like putting citric acid in a can of grape juice: it's a preserver against aging, but it does not require you to age the juice before drinking it.
Cf. http://www.apug.org/forums/forum40/35344-what-difference-between-kodachrome-pkr-kr-film-2.html#post416259 for a few more details.
Professional films, as Kodak says "are close to optimum color balance when they are manufactured and packaged." That means that there is a stringent QC process on color film, and that all other things being equal, they will give very consistent results when properly handled. That's probably the most misunderstood statement. When reading it, people immediately make the (wrong) deduction that amateur films are not close to optimum color balance when packaged.
It's like the difference between a fancy Japanese knife made with rare carbon steel blade that needs constant attention to give outstanding results, and an ordinary knife that will cut an onion regardless of whether you used it for gyproc before. The Japanese knife will help you carve a chrysantemum out of a radish; the ordinary knife is cheap and just works.
Finally, "ripening" is the name of a process during silver gelatin emulsion making (google it). When the emulsion is coated, you can be sure the emulsion is ripened enough and meant to be stable. How would you ever control "ripening on the shelf" ?
Please kindly show me the passage where Kodak says we need to age amateur films before using it.
EDIT: Yeah, I don't know how to read either.
This does not imply that amateur films are meant to be aged.
It does actually say, of amateur films, "Storing them at room temperature allows the film to mature to its aim color balance and speed"
Elite chrome was the first slide film I used after coming back to film last year. I used it in my K-1000 and had no problems with it at all.
It does actually say, of amateur films, "Storing them at room temperature allows the film to mature to its aim color balance and speed"
:bang:
*Throws his hands in despair to the sky, not sure which god to curse*
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