Would you trade a Noctilux for a M8? [Archive]

NB23

03-30-2008, 16:36

I would never trade a noctilux for a M8. If I absolutely wanted to shoot digital, for 350$ I can buy myself a Nikon D40+50 1.4 lens and be done with the question.

This being said, there are tons of people who probably will accept your trade offer (like etrigan if he had a Noctilux, I guess) so keep on hoping.

Vickko

03-30-2008, 16:44

ali_baba

03-30-2008, 16:59

I'm not asking for a new nocti.
I've been seeing people posting the value of those (~4k)
so i thought it would be a fair trade.

crawdiddy

03-30-2008, 17:05

Vickko

03-30-2008, 17:36

Ali needs to find the right person, that owns a Noctilux, bought it years ago (not at today's price), and has been yearning for an M8.

The key to such a search is to advertise, as he has done.

The Noctilux isn't the perfect optic for everyone. It is a very specialized lens, quite heavy, and darned expensive.

...Vick

endustry

03-30-2008, 17:41

Place an ad in classifieds. I believe there is no charge for WTT ads (want to trade).

The only camera I would consider trading my Nocti for would be an LHSA MP3 in black paint.

NB23

03-30-2008, 17:45

Weird thread. Interesting proposition. Is this an early April Fools joke? Are you, Ali Baba, writing a psychology paper? Something's not right here.

If I had an M8, I would prefer to trade it for a Noctilux also. Exactly how does one end up with an "extra" M8? Sounds like you need to be in touch with someone who has an "extra" Noctilux. But I don't know anyone like that.

I'm not sure it's weird. There have been people who, in the past, traded their noctiluxes for a 50 summilux and some little cash. Their reason was the Noctilux was simply a bad lens and the summilux was the best lens in the world. It happened quite a few times.

Since the Noctilux and M8 are the same price, I don't see why the trade couldn't be done. And there are still some people who dislike the Noctilux out there (but I think they have no idea) ;)

erikhaugsby

03-30-2008, 18:06

I wish I had an M8 to trade for a Noctilux...

thomasw_

03-30-2008, 18:13

I am with Eric. If I had a M8, I'd trade it for a Noctilux.

Mike Ip

03-30-2008, 18:17

I actually tried to trade a noctilux for an M8. I didn't get many serious inquiries. I ended up selling the noctilux to pay for my M8. Turns out I got about $400 more for the noct than what I paid for the M8.

Bully

03-31-2008, 01:06

There is only one answer to this question: take an M8 AND a Noctilux!
So you will be nearer to the "Heaven of Photography"...

Keith

03-31-2008, 01:37

Some days I look at my M8 and think I should trade it for something useful ... a Noct would be nice and after seeing what Ned does with his I'm impressed but my Canon 1.2 will have to do me until I can snatch the coin from the master's hand! :p

sebastel

03-31-2008, 03:15

i wish i still had a nocti so i could offer it for a trade now!
it's a dream of a lens, that's true, but i don't miss it at all.

ali_baba

03-31-2008, 20:27

i wish i still had a nocti so i could offer it for a trade now!
it's a dream of a lens, that's true, but i don't miss it at all.

what did you do with yours?

dnp

03-31-2008, 21:47

Just one opinion, but an M8 can be had for 3800-4k, and I think brand dealer-new as a student for 4200... whereas a Noct of that value is very hard to find and the values are going up (as of now). However, it does depend on the condition of the lens and it's age. Could be a good deal in that case.

An M8 plus cash might be more appropriate...

Good luck in your search!

sebastel

03-31-2008, 22:57

what did you do with yours?

i sold it.

willie_901

04-01-2008, 07:20

If I had a M8, and someone offered me a Noctilux in trade, I'd think about it for about a millisecond before packing the M8 up in it's box.

ali_baba

04-02-2008, 09:15

...no takers i suppose...

georgef

04-02-2008, 10:15

Umm, Noctilux is $6K and will last forever.

M8 is $5.5K and will last 3 years with the warranty coverage. Or in your case, 1 year with "code U"

No, I wouldn't trade a Noctilux for an M8. If I wanted an M8, I'd pay cash, knowing that it would lose value. A Noctilux would hold its value, until the day that film isn't available.

Sorry.

Vick

I did not realise the M8 STOPS taking photos after the warranty expires (and I was thhinking of buying one) LOL
Seriously though, given that you'll only be able to use film for the next decade (if...), puts longevity in a new perspective no? wait till film disapears, then lets see the value of M bodies...hmmm.

I am of a different frame of mind here: if I had a nokt sitting around I would sell/ trade for something I would like to actualy use! Maybe an M8, then buy a CV 35 1.2 and Bob's your uncle! Its all relative.

bluepenguin

04-02-2008, 14:07

I had Noctilux one time bought real cheap and sold it for much better price.
Now I'm waiting for Hexanon 50mm f1.2 limited at much cheaper price.

The lens keep the value, but not the digital camera body. However there are plenty of lenses out there that can work as well as Noctilux.

ali_baba

04-03-2008, 09:01

whats the cost on a hexanon,1.2?

ali_baba

04-03-2008, 09:51

interesting.

any the quality of these images is supposed to be on par with the german glass?

Hacker

04-03-2008, 14:52

Check out this thread here: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54053

The M-Hexanon is certainly a very good lens, and a very good compromise between the look of the Nocti and the Lux ASPH. Build is equal to the Leica but earlier numbers may have focusing issues (below 50). 2001 copies were made and I do not consider them expensive when compared to the Lux ASPH and the Nocti.

marke

04-03-2008, 15:52

i wish i still had a nocti so i could offer it for a trade now!
it's a dream of a lens, that's true, but i don't miss it at all.

I wish I had a nocti so I could NOT offer it for a trade!!!

Rayt

04-03-2008, 17:22

Bodies come and go. Always put money in the glass even if I have to shoot with a Bessa T.

Tuolumne

04-04-2008, 08:14

I have a Noctilux. I have a R-D1. Do I want an M8? maybe at the right price. Would I trade my Noctilux for it? No way. But I might trade my Xpan with standard and 30mm lenses for one. In fact, if I weren't so lazy I probably would have sold the Xpan already...Not sure if I would have bought the M8 with the proceeds though. I like my R-D1 and it works with all of my lenses. Might be a different story for the M8.

/T

Leighgion

04-04-2008, 10:36

Seeing how a Noctilux is the only thing that would get me to acquire an M or M-compatible body, not a chance.

Olsen

04-06-2008, 08:53

Sort of did that. Sold a 1st version of the Noctilux and bought an M8 with parts of the profit. But I did get that Noctilux cheap (like in "Nintendo Wii"-cheap).

Would I do it again? Hell, yeah. That M8 did more for my photography than any lens could ever do.

I agree with this. The M8 is an exiting digital camera. The best there is for the M-system, - but frustrating at times. The Noctilux has it's charming sides, but is a difficult lense to use properly. Just as frustrating, actually. Try place a 1,5 cm DOF correctly at a 2 meters distance. Hand held. I would rather do that with a digital camera than with a film body. You just might end up with spending a pallet of film before you get it right.

Thanks to the very favorable currency situation right now, - it was just too tempting, I have bought myself a 1Ds III. It turned out 15% cheaper than the 1Ds I bought back in 2003, and some 6% cheaper than my 1Ds II - bought in 2006. - In my local currency.

With the US Fed's prime rate lower than US inflation right now, I should be able to trade my wife's Toyota Corolla in for a cattle farm in Texas, - by June. Extend my gratitude to Federal Reserve Board Chairman Bernanke for me, will you.

washy21

04-06-2008, 11:44

I would not trade mine - I'm hoping it will last for ever.

NB23

04-06-2008, 19:16

Olsen,
One day I will sell a Yugo and buy a US state (preferably Florida or California). You think that tme is near?

;-)

Olsen

04-07-2008, 06:05

Olsen,
One day I will sell a Yugo and buy a US state (preferably Florida or California). You think that tme is near?

;-)

The time is near...NB23...

By Christmas you should be able to get a whole Florida and a half California for a whole Yugo. By then: You'll get a 2.hand ex. Fed. Reserve Chairman along as a bonus. Nice to have, - he?

georgef

04-07-2008, 07:20

The time is near...NB23...

By Christmas you should be able to get a whole Florida and a half California for a whole Yugo. By then: You'll get a 2.hand ex. Fed. Reserve Chairman along as a bonus. Nice to have, - he?

I dont think Florida is for sale. It was bought by Bush senior for Bush junior three elections ago he he

Olsen

04-07-2008, 07:34

I dont think Florida is for sale. It was bought by Bush senior for Bush junior three elections ago he he

Bought Florida...? With borrowed money, he..? Then there should be a nice foreclosure coming soon.

NB23

04-07-2008, 09:09

I dont think Florida is for sale. It was bought by Bush senior for Bush junior three elections ago he he

Don't we all remember that one, eh? What a shame it was...

ali_baba

04-07-2008, 11:34

hmmm.

so much for staying on topic.

kenn

04-07-2008, 11:41

I have an M8 and a Noctilux. I'd trade the M8 before the Noctilux for many of the reasons stated here. Sure it's heavy, cranky and expensive but f1 is a drug and when you capture the right shot with it, it's pretty amazing on any body. The M8 is a good camera, but I'm still miffed about the "upgrade plan", which does not address the UV issues or give you a full-frame. Certainly they should have hit on the UV issue with this upgrade assuming the mechanics (size restrictions) prevent a full frame sensor. While the Noctilux is "perfect" and remains so into the future.

NB23

04-07-2008, 12:25

hmmm.

so much for staying on topic.

ROFL!
And there is a For Trade/For sale section.

slubomirski

04-09-2008, 09:55

The Noctilux is an absolutely gorgeous lens. I use it a lot at F1.0 and the narrow depth of field and bokeh create wonderful images. Used as a normal lens, the colour quality is pretty terrific as well. So keep the lens whatever using it with an older Leica M until you have the cash for the M8.

pizzahut88

04-10-2008, 11:25

well, could one save enough from not having to process film by using an M8, and hence the value of owning an M8 be more sound monetary wise, than buying a Noct outright?

NB23

04-10-2008, 11:29

well, could one save enough from not having to process film by using an M8, and hence the value of owning an M8 be more sound monetary wise, than buying a Noct outright?

Absolutely Not! That's thorough false logic.

pizzahut88

04-10-2008, 11:30

I agree with this. The M8 is an exiting digital camera. The best there is for the M-system, - but frustrating at times. The Noctilux has it's charming sides, but is a difficult lense to use properly. Just as frustrating, actually. Try place a 1,5 cm DOF correctly at a 2 meters distance. Hand held. I would rather do that with a digital camera than with a film body. You just might end up with spending a pallet of film before you get it right.

Thanks to the very favorable currency situation right now, - it was just too tempting, I have bought myself a 1Ds III. It turned out 15% cheaper than the 1Ds I bought back in 2003, and some 6% cheaper than my 1Ds II - bought in 2006. - In my local currency.

With the US Fed's prime rate lower than US inflation right now, I should be able to trade my wife's Toyota Corolla in for a cattle farm in Texas, - by June. Extend my gratitude to Federal Reserve Board Chairman Bernanke for me, will you.

Absolute correct.
And I am riding on the Hang Seng watching Bernanke slash my mortgage rates. And cashing in on stocks.

The other day, a bunch of old folks were talking of buying some property here and there in the US.

The bear is here no matter what. Time to wait for bottom fishing.

Olsen

04-11-2008, 07:57

The price of the US$ is now NOK 5,00. It will soon be 4,85 - like back in 1980. But back then USA was still a creditor nation with a sound balance sheet. Not now.

It seems that USA is going into a Argentinian-like (or Israel-like) economical state. With hyperinflation, high interest rates (just wait and see) falling real estate prices, growing unemployment and a huge debt to other countries (China, Saudi Arabia, Germany - Norway) that has to be served. By the tax payers. That will be a heavy burden to carry for the ordinary men and women in USA. Like paying for a party that - most of you - never attended. With this will follow, social unrest and more crime. But hopefully, with time, a more just and democratic society. Before you get there, however, it is going to be a lot worse.

BennyC

04-26-2008, 09:02

I would trade my M8 for a Noctilux too. But since I am pretty sure I would itch to try the Noc on an M8, I would then have to rebuy another M8.

ali_baba

04-26-2008, 09:24

there's always more m8's i suppose.

Hacker

05-02-2008, 06:54

Its a more modern lens so its probably better. Ask hacker, he has them all :)

The M-Hexanon 50mm f1.2 has a really nice coating:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2056/2458618121_c41f05d46d_o.jpg

It can be 6-bit coded too, just like a Noctilux :D:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3247/2458739223_f12a50f8d8_o.jpg