dating an industar

[sanmich]

Hi

I just got an industar-50. very clean, nice looking, can't wait to see the results...

Meanwhile just out of curiosity:
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The Serial number starts with 80. does this mean that it was produced in 1980??

Thanks

Michael

[brachal]

I prefer dating women ...:D

Sorry, I couldn't help myself. I'm not exactly sure about dating Industar lenses. Jupiters are easy; the first two digits are the year of manufacture, but I don't think that applies to Industars. Is your lens the rigid or the collapsible version?

[wolves3012]

Nice sharp lens, but I don't think they were made anywhere near that late. I don't think the first two digits rule always holds with russian lenses.

[sanmich]

I prefer dating women ...:D

Sorry, I couldn't help myself. I'm not exactly sure about dating Industar lenses. Jupiters are easy; the first two digits are the year of manufacture, but I don't think that applies to Industars. Is your lens the rigid or the collapsible version?

My wife hardly lets me date old russian lenses
No chance I'll upgrade to women... :D :D

[drewbarb]

My wife hardly lets me date old russian lenses
No chance I'll upgrade to women... :D :D
OK, this one gets a "Rimshot Thread Title" award.

[QUAsit]

Yes it is of 1980 production. Black Industar-50 I suppose?

[rogue_designer]

OK, this one gets a "Rimshot Thread Title" award.

Heh - he beat me to it.

I was thinking... start with coffee, then suggest dinner.

[sanmich]

Thanks QUAsit

No, it's a chrome collapsible.

[QUAsit]

Ah, LZOS late production.

[sanmich]

Ah, LZOS late production.


LZOS :confused: :confused:

[QUAsit]

One Russian/Soviet optical factories. LZOS = ЛЗОС, Лыткаринский завод оптического стекла = Optical glass factory in Lytkarino, near Moscow. Still working though.

http://zenit.istra.ru/qa/logos/lzos-logo.gif

This is logo of LZOS

[brachal]

QUAsit,

Can you educate us as to how Industar serial numbers work? I've been confused by this issue before. Does the "first two digits=year of manufacture" rule apply to all Industars? Are the Fed Industars (I26, I61, I61LD) numbered differently from the Zorki Industars (I22, I50)?

Thanks!

[QUAsit]

Yes they do. Industars made by FED for FEDs are numbered in through order.

[brachal]

Yes they do. Industars made by FED for FEDs are numbered in through order.

Thank you very much. FED certainly seemed to play by their own set of rules.

[Gabriel M.A.]

I prefer dating women ...:D
Ditto. ;)

[fidget]

You really shouldn't date an Industar, at least not a good looking one. She'll be off with the first Bessa that comes along.

Sorry.....

[wolves3012]

You really shouldn't date an Industar, at least not a good looking one. She'll be off with the first Bessa that comes along.

Sorry.....
My best I-22 ran off with a Leica, Bessa's aren't the only threat!

[wolves3012]

Yes they do. Industars made by FED for FEDs are numbered in through order.
FED may have numbered in sequence but I'm not convinced they used the first two digits as a year of manufacture. I have just obtained a FED 2, bought in Moscow in 1961, according to the seller. The lens appears to be the original and has a serial number starting "67"

[rxmd]

FED may have numbered in sequence but I'm not convinced they used the first two digits as a year of manufacture.
They definitely didn't. I have here a FED-5 with a serial number starting with 21 that was definitely not made in 1921, given that FED-5 production only started in 1978.

With lenses it's a bit confusing. I have two I-26s, starting with 26 and 47 respectively, so with those it's out of the question. Then I have two I-61s, a "panda" with 68 and a black one with 83, where it could well be the year of manufacture. Maybe they changed their numbering system for lenses at some point.

Philipp

[QUAsit]

When I wrote: Industars made by FED for FEDs are numbered in through order. I was quite clear - NO `two-digits` rule existed for long period. Approximately since 1934 till middle 80s.


Still I-61s were made:
- early Industar 61 w/o index - FED factory, panda finish, no `two-digits` rule
(Note: I-61 w/o index also has lanthanum glass)

- late Industar 61 L/D (lanthanum glass, rangefinder version) - FED factory, black/panda finish, `two-digits` rule (made in late 80s)

- Industar-61 L/D (lanthanum glass, rangefinder)- LZOS production, black finish, `two digits rule`
- Industar-61 L/Z (Lantanum glass, SLR version) - same.

So check factory, check lens version and then go to serial.

[rxmd]

OK, for the record: all of my lenses mentioned above were made at the FED factory. So the 68.... I-61 might well be coincidence.

Quasit, could you give me a source for the information?

[QUAsit]

Either Princelle as English one, or Russian language sources, e.g.: www.photohistory.ru (http://www.photohistory.ru)

[rxmd]

Thanks. Princelle doesn't really talk about serial numbers IIRC. http://www.photohistory.ru/ looks quite interesting at first glance on the other hand, if a bit unstructured - you have to dig for the information a little bit, but it has a lot. I especially like the small excerpts from older Sovetskoe Foto articles. :)

Philipp

[QUAsit]

Then only practice with FSU gear could help. Unfortunately deep look into it possible only iа living in FSU countries.

(Small exception - I never saw Orion-15 for Kiev and collabsible ZKs and some other lenses in real life - Pictures of foreign owners/books only.)

[rxmd]

Oh, at present I spend about half of my time in FSU countries, so this is not a problem. :)

[Sylvaticus]

I still have an Industar 22 with Cyrilic inscriptions, that I bought in near-mint condition 1958. The number is 7168057 - that looks as though the last two digits indicate the year.