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Seller is somewhat proud of this camera..
http://cgi.ebay.com/MINOLTA-HI-MATIC-7S-II-BLACK-RANGEFINDER-40MM-ROKKOR_W0QQitemZ310011617323QQihZ021QQcategoryZ152 34QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Extreme interest in this camera, PLUS the biggie... It's black!!! I would not be surprised if it sold.
However, he made one huge mistake. His using the start price high puts off bidders. So there will be little activity before the end of the auction. He could have screwed himself on this alone. He should have used a $1 starting price and set the reserve at what he wanted to sell.
There is a ton of data, and I have done my own research on auctions, on how using a high start price to avoid using a reserve really damages the prospects of getting your money.
Otherwise, he could get there on this one. Desirable camera in black. Good auction, with simple plain english definition. A whole bunch of quality pictures.
Don't be surprise on this one. I'd say if he had not messed up using the high start price, I'd give odds he'll get the money.
zuikologist
12-30-2007, 14:33
Seems high, even for a desirable black 7SII. It will be interesting to see if it sells (especially to an RFF member!)
Are you allowed to set a reserve price on cameras on the ebay USA site? You're lucky. On the Australian ebay site I can only set a reserve price if I'm selling a car (or similar, in the Motor category, see http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/sell/reserve.html).
If I don't want to risk selling an item below its fair value my only options are to set a high starting price or a "Buy It Now" price.
Michiel Fokkema
12-30-2007, 14:59
Seller is somewhat proud of this camera..
http://cgi.ebay.com/MINOLTA-HI-MATIC-7S-II-BLACK-RANGEFINDER-40MM-ROKKOR_W0QQitemZ310011617323QQihZ021QQcategoryZ152 34QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Only if you buy it.
Or it might be very rare.
See if it sells.
Cheers,
Michiel Fokkema
Cale Arthur
12-30-2007, 15:33
I missed one of these recently on Craigslist that was sold for $30.. oops!
--c--
giovatony
12-30-2007, 15:58
Here`s another he sold last week for $479
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310008501271
I do not have a lot of experience with this camera. My friend has one, a silver and black model. I have seen his results and they are great. Is there something I am missing? The capabilities of this camera over a Cannonet, or Rollei 35 shouldn't command such a price difference.
..........or should it?
I have a Hi-Matic C I'll let go for half of that!!
Here`s another he sold last week for $479
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310008501271
Like ole PT once said "there's a sucker born every minute"
I do not have a lot of experience with this camera. My friend has one, a silver and black model. I have seen his results and they are great. Is there something I am missing? The capabilities of this camera over a Cannonet, or Rollei 35 shouldn't command such a price difference...........or should it?
Well, don't hold your breath but the black Canonets are right up there as well. See here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Canon-Canonet-QL-Rangefinder-Camera-BLACK-Case_W0QQitemZ280186852839QQihZ018QQcategoryZ30027 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
And there is another black canonet currently at $103.50
So, the value all seems to be in the desire for the magical black units. Frankly the black 7sII is probably more rare than the Canonet in black.
Two black GIII's, A black Petri Color35, A black Minolta 7S and a black 7sII. I never noticed any appreciable improvement in my photography, but I sure sold all of them for a lot of money.
My favorite black camera, and it only comes in black is the Canon EF "Black Beauty". What a pretty 70's classic. The only known camera with circuitry to compensate for the NLA 1.35v batteries. You can use 1.5 contemporary batteries and the camera automatically adjusts to 1.35V... no adjustment by a camera technician needed.
My favorite black camera, and it only comes in black is the Canon EF "Black Beauty". What a pretty 70's classic. The only known camera with circuitry to compensate for the NLA 1.35v batteries. You can use 1.5 contemporary batteries and the camera automatically adjusts to 1.35V... no adjustment by a camera technician needed.
The Pentax Spotmatic cameras use a bridge circuit which compensates for voltage higher than 1.35v. You can use a silver 1.55v battery and it will compensate..
It's not quite the same camera as the Konica Auto S3, even though the chassis are very similar. One significant difference is that the Minolta offers full manual exposure (although the meter doesn't work in manual mode.) Also, the Minolta's lens really is as good as he says (at least it was on the example I used to own), the meter works fine on readily-available 1.5v batteries, and the shutter is unbelievably quiet, one of the quietest leaf shutters I've ever used.
Still, the price seems steep, even for a black one. But oh, well -- if you don't ask, you don't get!
Incidentally, the item location he lists (Lombard, Ill.) doesn't correspond to the Zip code he lists (68102, which is Omaha, Nebraska) but maybe that's a typo.
Kim Coxon
12-30-2007, 16:34
I fully agree with you. The near mint ones attract a lot of money. However, the nicely brassed one I had only realised about 50% more than the standards ones. It's a collector's niche and most will be shelf queens.
As to battery issue, don't forget Pentax. All their meter circuits were balanced bridge which means they can use silver with no adjustment. (BTW, The meter doesn't adjust the voltage, it just uses 1.5v or anything close accurately. A small point but important tecnically. ;) )
Kim
Two black GIII's, A black Petri Color35, A black Minolta 7S and a black 7sII. I never noticed any appreciable improvement in my photography, but I sure sold all of them for a lot of money.
My favorite black camera, and it only comes in black is the Canon EF "Black Beauty". What a pretty 70's classic. The only known camera with circuitry to compensate for the NLA 1.35v batteries. You can use 1.5 contemporary batteries and the camera automatically adjusts to 1.35V... no adjustment by a camera technician needed.
Kim Coxon
12-30-2007, 16:48
One way round it, is to list on the US site. Just log on there and any listing will appear in US $ but will also automatically show up on the Aus site as that is the location of the sale. Several EU dealers do the same thing to get round VAT rules. ;)
Kim
Are you allowed to set a reserve price on cameras on the ebay USA site? You're lucky. On the Australian ebay site I can only set a reserve price if I'm selling a car (or similar, in the Motor category, see http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/sell/reserve.html).
If I don't want to risk selling an item below its fair value my only options are to set a high starting price or a "Buy It Now" price.
Well, don't hold your breath but the black Canonets are right up there as well. See here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Canon-Canonet-QL-Rangefinder-Camera-BLACK-Case_W0QQitemZ280186852839QQihZ018QQcategoryZ30027 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
OMG! That's US$600.00!
I might even consider selling mine (black GIII) for that amount if somebody will pay it! Holy {expletive}!
Al Patterson
12-30-2007, 18:55
OMG! That's US$600.00!
I might even consider selling mine (black GIII) for that amount if somebody will pay it! Holy {expletive}!
I recently saw a Black GIII get to $273 or so, but that one didn't hit the reserve. I wouldn't even go to $200 for one, but if I had one I'd sell it for $273 in a heartbeat. Should we all make a friendly wager on how long that seller waits before lowering their BIN price?
erikhaugsby
12-30-2007, 19:20
Somebody Bought-it-Now. :eek:
That's insane...I'm selling a black one that was CLA'd by Mark Hama and getting no buyers for $185..then again I haven't really been advertising it (other than my own photoblog) and it does have a few scratches on the rewind knob.
That's insane...I'm selling a black one that was CLA'd by Mark Hama and getting no buyers for $185..then again I haven't really been advertising it (other than my own photoblog) and it does have a few scratches on the rewind knob.
And what's really insane is that someone will snap that up and easily double their money on eBay. Mark Hama is a known name and would easily be a draw. But, you don't have to really worry about someone making money on your decision if the only place you have it is a blog. Not picking on you, but advertising on a blog.... Please!
I've been watching these black cameras get triple bucks on eBay for about 3-5 years now, and the gap is much larger now than 3 or 4 years ago.
And what's really insane is that someone will snap that up and easily double their money on eBay. Mark Hama is a known name and would easily be a draw. But, you don't have to really worry about someone making money on your decision if the only place you have it is a blog. Not picking on you, but advertising on a blog.... Please!
I'm fully aware how much these go for and frankly I don't care. I wanted people who visited my blog to have first dibs on it and I wanted discretion on who I sold it to as I wanted the camera to be used - not sit on a shelf like what it's been doing. I'm also on the fence on selling it (the black body) so if it doesn't I may just keep it. I'm not in it to rip people off but I guess people are dumb enough to fall for it. So please.
I'm fully aware how much these go for and frankly I don't care. I wanted people who visited my blog to have first dibs on it and I wanted discretion on who I sold it to as I wanted the camera to be used - not sit on a shelf like what it's been doing. I'm also on the fence on selling it (the black body) so if it doesn't I may just keep it. I'm not in it to rip people off but I guess people are dumb enough to fall for it. So please.
Please forgive me. I am a Capitalist first and foremost. When someone tells me they are selling something, I tend to expect to see real efforts to sell. And, I can surely respect your "on the fence" reckoning about a reluctance to sell.
I guess I come from a place where something is for sale, or it's not for sale. If it's for sale, it's for sale for the most money I can get for it.
I used to restore and collect old cars. My thinking on selling unfinished or unstarted projects was that I would make a good price to someone who assured me they would take on the project, or finish a started project. You know what I found. They always lied, every last one of them. They would take my favor and resell it for the most the market would bear. It always made me feel the fool.
So, my point on your camera, and I apologize either for my harshness, or your mistaken interpretation, was that when we try to do monetary favors for people, they most often take advantage of us. If you sold your Black camera for $185, I would hate for you to see it on eBay for $600 and snapped up at that price on a Buy It Now.
But, maybe you're not a capitalist, which is all well and good. But also keep in mind that I only apologize for offending you, not for my opinions. I spent a long, rewarding life forming them.
NickTrop
12-31-2007, 11:28
Yeesh, this guy isn't even giving you a break on shipping! Dude, if you're selling a Minolta Himatic 7SII for nearly 600 clams, give the buyer a break on the shipping at least.
Funny that some will get bug-eyed that an old, rare, serviced good condition RF will go for - say, $200 but will think they got a "good deal" on a $250 digital point-n-shoot. If I had $200 to spend and my only choice was a classic RF made by a proper camera company or a "Casio", my $200 is going for that Oly RD.
Comparatively Arsenal photo looks like a homeless.
jayfixit
01-01-2008, 18:34
Hey, in the Leica forums, everyone is probably trying to decide who should buy this $203,000 prototype.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370009071916&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RCRX_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT&refitem=370009107849&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=active_view_item&usedrule1=CrossSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget
:D
FallisPhoto
02-02-2008, 18:43
Seller is somewhat proud of this camera..
http://cgi.ebay.com/MINOLTA-HI-MATIC-7S-II-BLACK-RANGEFINDER-40MM-ROKKOR_W0QQitemZ310011617323QQihZ021QQcategoryZ152 34QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
What do you mean? Of course it's worth that much; it's black, isn't it?
How about this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/Kodak-Duo-Six-20-Very-Rare-Rangefinder-camera-MINT_W0QQitemZ280196621057QQihZ018QQcategoryZ11717 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/Kodak-Duo-Six-20-Very-Rare-Rangefinder-camera-MINT_W0QQitemZ280196621057QQihZ018QQcategoryZ11717 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) ... and it isn't even black...
FallisPhoto
02-06-2008, 15:47
Seller is somewhat proud of this camera..
http://cgi.ebay.com/MINOLTA-HI-MATIC-7S-II-BLACK-RANGEFINDER-40MM-ROKKOR_W0QQitemZ310011617323QQihZ021QQcategoryZ152 34QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Awwwww, nobody bid on it. I wish they had; now that would be funny!
It is not sold and the auction has ended.
januaryman
02-08-2008, 12:11
Don't you guys read the entire ad???? !!! He notes that BATTERIES ARE INCLUDED! Duh!!!
And with the Canonet, I see he has also included a few rolls of rare FILM!!!!! Ready to shoot!
You pay for the extras. Period.
Clark.EE
02-26-2008, 12:10
Sorry had to use the word we all hate MINTY MINTY MINTY.
Anyone interested in a boxed, complete Yashica Electro 35GTN.
Box is a bit tatty, a little brassing on battery cover. Cant be many in better nick.
It really is a good one, Fixed the shutter on it, dont think it worked from new. Certainly doesnt look like there has been a film through it.
Whats it worth?
FallisPhoto
02-26-2008, 14:57
Sorry had to use the word we all hate MINTY MINTY MINTY.
Anyone interested in a boxed, complete Yashica Electro 35GTN.
Box is a bit tatty, a little brassing on battery cover. Cant be many in better nick.
It really is a good one, Fixed the shutter on it, dont think it worked from new. Certainly doesnt look like there has been a film through it.
Whats it worth?
I've bought several like that over the years -- for about $15 each (maybe $35 with a CLA, a battery adapter, and POD replaced). Sorry, but Yashica sold those by the boxcar load and there are just too many of them for them to have any collector value. Their true value is as shooters; they are just very good cameras that don't cost a lot.
januaryman
03-07-2008, 08:31
Two black GIII's, A black Petri Color35, A black Minolta 7S and a black 7sII. I never noticed any appreciable improvement in my photography, but I sure sold all of them for a lot of money.
My favorite black camera, and it only comes in black is the Canon EF "Black Beauty". What a pretty 70's classic. The only known camera with circuitry to compensate for the NLA 1.35v batteries. You can use 1.5 contemporary batteries and the camera automatically adjusts to 1.35V... no adjustment by a camera technician needed.
I also find that my black Canonet shoots exactly the same as the chrome... But it does make me happy knowing I've got a black one and I tend to carry it around more than the chrome. I just like looking at it.
The Canon EF is also my favorite SLR, but NO ONE ever talks about it! I have two. One has a sort in the circuitry, I believe, as it eats batteries for lunch. Ti fix it would have cost over $100, so I bid on and won a perfectly function EF for under $70. Heavy as a block of lead, built like a tank (pardon the tired cliche) and just a great camera to use. I slap on a Canon 50/1.4 FD lens (that cost me $76) and I'm cookin' man! Glad to meet another fan.
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