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By nature, great human disasters we like to forget.
Since I live outside the USA, the truth is that I have seen very few pics, beyond the TV videos.
On the other hand I have no idea of the sensibilities of our USA members towards having a thread linking us with galleries about that cathastrophe.
One think I am sure: being NY the center of world photography there should be many many images and galleries out there. Here is just one of them, by no one else that our member Fred (nikonhswebmaster):
http://www.codefred.com/wtc/index.html
If you happen to know about other galleries, kindly post here the links.
Cheers,
Ruben
M. Valdemar
11-24-2007, 14:32
I have seen enough of it.
I was in one of the towers that day.
Search results from Magnum Photos:
http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.aspx?VP=XSpecific_MAG.AgencyHome_VPage&pid=2K7O3R1VX08V
ChrisPlatt
11-24-2007, 15:10
A historically significant photographic archive was based in the WTC.
Here is a recent update to an interesting story regarding that archive:
http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/JFK_photo_archive_lost_in_911_terror_news_update_f amily_of_photographer_Jacques_Lowe_accepts_cash_se ttlement_news_155084.html?offset=&offset=1
Chris
http://www.coia.org.uk/
WTF?????????????
endustry
11-24-2007, 15:14
WTF?????????????
If you're trying to say something, Olsen, it's better to just come right out with it.
Well, if you don't think my comment was self explanatory, then....
Search results from Magnum Photos:
http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.aspx?VP=XSpecific_MAG.AgencyHome_VPage&pid=2K7O3R1VX08V
Hi Nick,
I have reviewed upon your advise magnum's images of 9/11. Interestingly they had only 2 photog there, and Fred's images stand very much on their own.
Somewhat poor reaction by magnum when caught unprepared.
Cheers,
Ruben
Ruben:
I think the sensibilities of those in the US with respect to pictures of September 11 depend heavily on whether someone was in NY or Washington on that day.
I lived very close to the twin towers at the time and knew people who were killed there. I still can't stomach looking at still images or video of the attacks. But I find that Americans who weren't in NY or DC and have no personal connection to the attacks don't always have the same reaction.
Nonetheless, I think it's a useful thing to compile a list of links.
afineman
11-24-2007, 22:17
perhaps you would like to watch a video with 8 photographers about their experiences that day:
http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0110/interviews_intro.htm
-Aaron Lee Fineman
www.aaronleefineman.com
Hi Nick,
I have reviewed upon your advise magnum's images of 9/11. Interestingly they had only 2 photog there, and Fred's images stand very much on their own.
Somewhat poor reaction by magnum when caught unprepared.
Cheers,
Ruben
Actually, by coincidence the Magnum annual meeting was in NYC then and coincided with 9/11. Many, many of the Magnum photographers photographed the disaster. There is a book put out by Power House Books called "New York September 11 by Magnum Photographers". It says on the back cover that the book benefits the "9/11 Neediest Fund."
I don't know why you cannot find these images on the Magnum site, but glancing through the book, it includes work by at least a dozen photographers.
....well over a dozen.....
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On the other hand I have no idea of the sensibilities of our USA members towards having a thread linking us with galleries about that cathastrophe.
...
Cheers,
Ruben
then perhaps it would have been better not to start a thread on the subject (?).
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I don't know why you cannot find these images on the Magnum site, but glancing through the book, it includes work by at least a dozen photographers.
....well over a dozen.....
The link I posted seems to have "expired". Go to http://www.magnumphotos.com
and type "september 11" in the search box. The search returns 1000 images. If you go to advanced search and limit the search to images from 2001, the count is 861.
mike goldberg
11-25-2007, 00:28
As for me, I too have "had enough" of 9/11. I saw the 2nd plane hit the North Tower on CNN. I made a presentation about the firefighters at a Jerusalem social agency, based on the on-the-spot filming of the Naudet brothers. See Link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_(film)
The reaction of social workers and psychologists was so negative, I was told something like, "You forced our dis-associative reactions to trauma!" Thus, I want to remember the Twin Towers as they were, in the small photo sent to me by my cousin, who lives in Manhattan.
Peace... Mike
Hi Pablito and Nick,
Apparently it has been my fault. I never imagined to look using "September 11", but used instead "Twins".
I will try again, thanks Nick for the advice.
Cheers,
Ruben
Ruben:
I think the sensibilities of those in the US with respect to pictures of September 11 depend heavily on whether someone was in NY or Washington on that day.
I lived very close to the twin towers at the time and knew people who were killed there. I still can't stomach looking at still images or video of the attacks. But I find that Americans who weren't in NY or DC and have no personal connection to the attacks don't always have the same reaction.
Nonetheless, I think it's a useful thing to compile a list of links.
Thank you troym for your supporting post. I am getting now a more clear idea that the issue is rather sensible, and from many different angles within the USA and outside.
I will try my best to keep this thread within its photographic side, and if I see that if it becomes too off-side offensive towards our US members, I may ask for its closure. Of course moderators have the full right to close it without asking me at all.
Cheers,
Ruben
Actually, by coincidence the Magnum annual meeting was in NYC then and coincided with 9/11. Many, many of the Magnum photographers photographed the disaster. .......
What happened at magnum annual meeting in NYC upon hearing the news...., well this could have been quite a mini-story by itself of great interest to me at least.
Indeed by searching "september 11" you find over 1000 images. I have looked a lot and now I am starting to look by photographer.
And still the work of our member Fred, there is no doubt it holds its own.
Cheers,
Ruben
then perhaps it would have been better not to start a thread on the subject (?).
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Mike and others not wanting to follow this problematic thread, can simply avoid it. I can understand it, as me myself have found along the years a terrible obstacle in facing images of the Jewish Holocaust during WWII. And I cannot say that by today it is any easier.
However we are photographers with cameras in our hands. This places for some of us, who choose it, a kind of moral obligation to be able to look pain straight in its eyes.
Belitteling the main issue of the thread very much, I have had a small experienced some days ago, that kept me thinking.
I took a bus, camera in hand, ready to make some photos if possible.
Since the bus was crowded, I could not move and the only subject calling my attention was a man, near his 40's, with an "ugly" face and giving a certain feeling of being slightly retarded.
I had to look at him as he was the only available shot. I didn't shot him.
If you have looked at my gallery you could notice that like many of us I also like to search for the beauty of life and capture it. But life is not only beauty, it is very much ugliness too.
Now I almost can hear some of us saying, Ruben for the ugliness I have had enough, let me enjoy the beuty and forget the pain. My answer continues to be the same: look what you want to look. I cannot judge anyone for this, as my own bag of personal pain, suffering and ugliness cannot be judged by anyone else.
But those among us willing and able to face pain, perhaps bear the challenge of making ugliness and pain somehow more visually accessible to the public, or our audiences.
Showing pain and ugliness in its worst degree, it's easy to do provided you have the stomach to be on the spot and don't loose your temper. Making it vissually accessible is still an open creative challenge.
Cheers,
Ruben
Ruben,
There is an excellent exhibition/book/website here:
http://hereisnewyork.org/index2.asp
I saw the exhibition in London in 2002, a mix of the beautiful and truly horrific. The book I believe is out of print but no doubt readily available online.
My view on photography of such events is that there should be photographs, they should be published and they should upset you (or at the very least cause some emotional response). Without them the experience is sanitised and dehumanised.
Personally I have no issues with seeing that footage over and over again as long as it is presented in the right context. That context is provided by documentaries of the loss of the firefighters (simply because they tend to have had a lot of coverage, not to say that their loss is any greater) and photos such as the one in "Here is New York" of a severed foot in an Adidas trainer. Without such photos and context you could easily look at the big picture of a plane hitting a building as if it was something from a Hollywood blockbuster or a computer game.
Perhaps it may be of interest to you to know what was the moment in which what was being transmitted live became my biggest breaking point, or if you want the point that hitted my heart.
It was upon seeing a female reporter of CNN breaking herself and starting cray in the middle of her report. Have you seen it ?
Cheers,
Ruben
M. Valdemar
11-25-2007, 05:32
Aside from what sitemistic said, that 9/11 was turned into a political excuse to dismantle the Constitution, for me, it was also a direct attack on my home. I don't like to keep reviewing the still open wounds of that occasion.
Now don't take this wrong, because I'm Jewish myself, but how would you like it, Ruben, if someone called for a thread to post the most graphic images of bus bombings in Israel by Palestinians, including gruesome photos of dismembered bodies in destroyed buses, crying reporters, etc etc. Or Holocaust photos of Sonderkommandoes putting emaciated bodies into ovens?
Would you feel the same way or relish looking at them so often?
Not that they shouldn't exist, but do you want to constantly revisit horror?
I see a direct parallel.
MichaelM7
11-25-2007, 05:54
Hi Nick,
I have reviewed upon your advise magnum's images of 9/11. Interestingly they had only 2 photog there, and Fred's images stand very much on their own.
Somewhat poor reaction by magnum when caught unprepared.
Cheers,
Ruben
Hi Ruben,
you must have made something wrong. Maybe the link is broken. If I search for 9/11 on the Magnun site I get more than 800 photos from a large variety of magnum photographers. Most, if not all of the Magnum photographers I have ever heard of seem to have been there.
Greetings,
Michael
There's another related galleries from two great street photogs:
Jeff Mermelstein's:
http://www.stevenkasher.com/html/artistresults.asp?artist=38
Joel Meyerowitz's:
http://www.joelmeyerowitz.com/photography/after911.html
M. Valdemar
11-25-2007, 07:11
Most of the 9/11 imagery has been shamelessly turned into propaganda tools for the maudlin manipulation of the uneducated masses.
I doubt that 95% of American know that Saudis were flying the planes, where Iraq is on a map, or even find Lower Manhattan on a map for that matter.
I'm also not a conspiracy theorist but the attacks have been cynically used for many ulterior purposes. It was definitely used as the American Reichstag fire for a huge power grab by an increasingly fascistic-model government.
As we know there is a desire to discuss some potentially "hot" topics here at RFF. This thread was started with regards to the photography from that day. Please stay on that topic with the knowledge that this is a very emotional topic. There are folks with strong opinions and sensitivity to very extreme polar ends which will be discussed. Know your opinion, know that it is as valid as any other, and be respectful of everyone else's.
If this thread turns into a politically charged flaming war, it will be closed.
Hi Ruben,
you must have made something wrong. Maybe the link is broken. If I search for 9/11 on the Magnun site I get more than 800 photos from a large variety of magnum photographers. Most, if not all of the Magnum photographers I have ever heard of seem to have been there.
Greetings,
Michael
You are right, and it was already pointed to me at the begining of the thread. Thanks for your good will anyway.
Cheers,
Ruben
.....If this thread turns into a politically charged flaming war, it will be closed.
And I will not protest it at all.
Cheers,
Ruben
M. Valdemar
11-25-2007, 07:50
I don't see any flaming in this thread, I see legitimate questions and intelligent opinions. Why does everything remotely emotional have to be deleted?
The best photography PROVOKES thought and emotions.
I don't see any flaming in this thread, I see legitimate questions and intelligent opinions. Why does everything remotely emotional have to be deleted?
The best photography PROVOKES thought and emotions.
Please read my post again. Nothing has been edited or deleted, nor is there a mention of that other than by you. The conversation continues and we all realize that the topic, as I stated, holds strong opinions and sensitivities. My request simply is that everyone realize and respect that, and continue the conversation.
The best photography PROVOKES thought and emotions, yes, so talk about it, not the inflammatory potential stuff that that surrounds it and can't be solved here.
I don't see any flaming in this thread, I see legitimate questions and intelligent opinions. Why does everything remotely emotional have to be deleted?
The best photography PROVOKES thought and emotions.
"9/11 was turned into a political excuse to dismantle the Constitution" -
"I'm also not a conspiracy theorist but the attacks have been cynically used for many ulterior purposes. It was definitely used as the American Reichstag fire for a huge power grab by an increasingly fascistic-model government."
These statement of yours, Valdemar, are clean political statements, with no place in RFF.
They have not been the only ones here, but the most blunt. It flames because invites a response by those bluntly disagreeing with you, and at the end we have a political war at a photographic forum.
We must do our best to overcome ourselves and have a civilized photographic discussion taking into account the political differences are to be either left at home, or dealt with in other places, or dealt via PMs.
Otherwise it will be an abuse of RFF freedom of speech to propagandize very controversial political views. Since the basis on which we all stand united is not political grounds, forwarding political views will be destructive of our framework.
Personally, I am a man of strong political opinions, and in a prived PM you got a glance, upon your own request, and found them not of your taste. Imagine if we both start a war about them on the pages of RFF....
Cheers,
Ruben
<rant mode off>
You don't hear of people dying on the roads because it would be too hard to blame that Saddam/Bin Laden guy for it, and justify the invasion and destruction of a country that was to follow.
I mean come on, was Panama such a threat to the US to justify an invasion? An economic threat, as well as an example for other countries to follow their path, sure it was.
9/11 was a conspiracy anyway...
<rant mode on>
Besides Magnum having their annual meeting, VII Photo was launched just 2 days before September 11. This agency was founded by Alexandra Boulat, Ron Haviv, Gary Knight, Antonin Kratochvil, Christopher Morris, James Nachtwey and John Stanmeyer.
Their archive is not easily accessible - you have to sign up.
The Digital Journalist features September 11 photos from James Nachtwey and others here:
http://dirckhalstead.org/issue0110/seeing_intro.htm
Most of the 9/11 imagery has been shamelessly turned into propaganda tools for the maudlin manipulation of the uneducated masses.
I doubt that 95% of American know that Saudis were flying the planes, where Iraq is on a map, or even find Lower Manhattan on a map for that matter.
I'm also not a conspiracy theorist but the attacks have been cynically used for many ulterior purposes. It was definitely used as the American Reichstag fire for a huge power grab by an increasingly fascistic-model government.
This is well put.
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