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NIKON KIU
11-19-2007, 13:23
Just sold by Westlicht Auction in Vienna:
280,000 Euros about $410,000
http://photos.liveauctioneers.com/houses/westlicht.auction/14305/0003_1_lg.jpg
http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/3-Leica-0-series-Leica_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ28272QQihZ017QQit emZ270184872930QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
I see that this got mentioned in a thread with no replies!!
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50059
What's wrong with you people? This is the hottest news in the Camera world, Mr. Barnack got a jolt in his grave :angel:
Kiu
Hi Kiu,
I have added a reply to "that other thread" so that all is fine here!:D
Do you find the camera to be beautiufl?
crawdiddy
11-19-2007, 13:50
As far as I'm concerned, I don't mind a few bumps, scratches, brassing, etc. It adds character. But when there are peices missing-- like the top of the shutter speed dial, in this case-- it's less appealing.
rogue_designer
11-19-2007, 13:51
But when there are peices missing-- like the top of the shutter speed dial, in this case-- it's less appealing.
Is it missing that? Or was that not part of this original production from these 21 pre-release cameras?
crawdiddy
11-19-2007, 13:56
You're right, rogue_designer. I went to the ebay page, and it's not actually missing anything. You can see shutter speeds stamped onto the top of the dial, which is recessed below the rim of the dial.
still looks a bit weird, like something is missing, but I guss it's not.
OK, I'll say it's beautiful!
...but not $410k beautiful....
NIKON KIU
11-19-2007, 14:05
I don't see it as a beauty but I do look at it as a very Historical camera.
number 7 Leica ever made, first to have been exported.
How about this quote:
The factory record indicates delivery to New York for patent applies.
Very historical camera indeed.
Kiu
crawdiddy
11-19-2007, 14:06
It may be beautiful, but I for one wouldn't buy that piece of junk without a warranty....
... a 75 year warranty?
I wish mine had that, it'd have 4 years left! :)
The buyer over paid by 279,950 euros..
Awww man... all that money for that camera the person who bought it is still going to have to pay for a CLA... what a rip off :D
Dave
I just sent the buyer an email that says, "Film is dead, dude"
nikonhswebmaster
11-19-2007, 20:00
Gezz kiu why buy a beat up one for 400k when you can get a nice new one for only 1900
This is the cheapest Leica film camera and lens you can buy, perfect for real purists.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/largeimages/351342.jpg
digitalintrigue
11-19-2007, 20:59
Does Luigi make a case for that? And where do you hook up a strap? I hope he doesn't drop it when trying street photography for the first time.
LeicaTom
11-19-2007, 21:06
I heard through some Leica collector circles that this camera was not 100% proven to be what it is, while a camera with the SAME number was featured in a Leica book like 25 years ago and it was a totally different camera.......
I few items in the past few years have gone through that auction house and various other grand auction houses only to be found months afterwards to be non authentic in their origin
Buyer beware
if it`s $1,000 or $50,000+ all "collectable" cameras no matter what make they are have to be researched and have a pretty soild history background, the "rarer they are" the higher the chance is that they are faked or modified etc. etc. (there`s been examples of ALL rare Leica`s made - Leica I, WW2 Military one`s, M3 and M2 in Black and Olive, 72`s, Betribskameras....etc. etc. It`s all been faked ever since camera collecting took off in the late 1960`s)
I heard that this one was an example of the camera that didn`t have a clear prior history - but either way you look at it, it DID make history, real or not and I think the auction houses have a special insurance coverage that covers them in case something turns up bogus, but sadly for the buyer there`s no return on items sold.....
Tom
PS: Vintage racecar collectors go through this problem as well.....while some restoration services have put cars together from original parts and from wrecks etc. and there`s a few 4 million $$$ dollar D-JAGUAR`S that have the SAME chassis number, no matter what people say about it/them
Chris101
11-19-2007, 21:10
It's not even a rangefinder.
CameraQuest
11-19-2007, 21:16
Just sold by Westlicht Auction in Vienna:
280,000 Euros about $410,000
Kiu
Most Expensive? Not even close.
At the LHSA meeting in Solms,
Leica exhibited the UR Leica.
Insured for a cool 2,000,000 Euros in 2006
probably more now.
Stephen
The UR?
http://www.summilux.net/avis/URLeica-5-mini.jpg
LOL..
LeicaTom
11-19-2007, 21:40
Most Expensive? Not even close.
At the LHSA meeting in Solms,
Leica exhibited the UR Leica.
Insured for a cool 2,000,000 Euros in 2006
probably more now.
Stephen
Yeah....... that`s the camera of all Leica cameras the
UR Leica
I really don`t think they can even put a price on that one, it`s like Rolls Royce`s
Original "Silver Ghost" I think they said on a TV documentry it`s insured for 12 Million Pounds :)
I guess you could consider this camera the most expensive sold camera.....at auction
Tom
NIKON KIU
11-19-2007, 21:42
Most Expensive? Not even close.
At the LHSA meeting in Solms,
Leica exhibited the UR Leica.
Insured for a cool 2,000,000 Euros in 2006
probably more now.
Stephen
That doesn't count Mr. Gandy:)
That camera isn't for sale!!
We're talking sold cameras here....
Kiu
Kiu
NIKON KIU
11-19-2007, 21:47
Gezz kiu why buy a beat up one for 400k when you can get a nice new one for only 1900
This is the cheapest Leica film camera and lens you can buy, perfect for real purists.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/largeimages/351342.jpg
Fred,
I'd rather have a re-issue SP!!
Kiu
CameraQuest
11-19-2007, 21:47
That doesn't count Mr. Gandy:)
That camera isn't for sale!!
We're talking sold cameras here....
Kiu
Kiu
not 100% true.
the UR Leica sells every time there is a new owner of Leica Camera.
which means it sold last year, along with the rest of the company.
Stephen
LeicaTom
11-19-2007, 21:47
Does anyone know where HCB`s Black M3 is????????
That might bring some crazy money, if that would be sold :D
.....a Leica III that was ex-Robert Capa sold like 15 years ago for like $7,000 *cheap huh?*
Tom
NIKON KIU
11-19-2007, 21:48
not 100% true.
the UR Leica sells every time there is a new owner of Leica Camera.
which means it sold last year, along with the rest of the company.
Stephen
You are joking :confused:
Ha-ha-ha
Kiu
LeicaTom
11-19-2007, 21:49
not 100% true.
the UR Leica sells every time there is a new owner of Leica Camera.
which means it sold last year, along with the rest of the company.
Stephen
True true.....LEICA was JUST SOLD last year hehehehehehe!!!!! :D
Tom
CameraQuest
11-19-2007, 21:51
You are joking :confused:
Ha-ha-ha
Kiu
not at all.
last year Dr. Kaufmann bought 100% of the Leica Camera company...
or was it this year? whichever.
Stephen
NIKON KIU
11-19-2007, 21:55
Insured for a cool 2,000,000 Euros in 2006
probably more now.
Stephen
Leica can insure it for 10 million, does that make the hammer price?
Kiu
CameraQuest
11-19-2007, 21:56
and then there was the special edition one off Leica M
which sold several years ago at auction
$700,000 or so if I recall correctly.
and then there was the famous Leica O which sold for $500,000 about ten years ago. unfortunately that turned out to be a fake, and settled in court.
Stephen
NIKON KIU
11-19-2007, 22:05
OK Ok Mr. Gandy, you win!
I was just going by the Auctioneer's claim:
On Saturday, the 17th of November 2007 the 12th WestLicht Photographica Auction ended with a sensation: the most spectacular lot of the auction, a 0-Series Leica No. 107 was sold for an unbelievable 336.000 Euros hammer price incl. premium – the highest sum ever achieved at an auction for a 35mm camera or a Leica.
NIKON KIU
11-19-2007, 22:22
I heard through some Leica collector circles that this camera was not 100% proven to be what it is, while a camera with the SAME number was featured in a Leica book like 25 years ago and it was a totally different camera.......
I few items in the past few years have gone through that auction house and various other grand auction houses only to be found months afterwards to be non authentic in their origin
Buyer beware
if it`s $1,000 or $50,000+ all "collectable" cameras no matter what make they are have to be researched and have a pretty soild history background, the "rarer they are" the higher the chance is that they are faked or modified etc. etc. (there`s been examples of ALL rare Leica`s made - Leica I, WW2 Military one`s, M3 and M2 in Black and Olive, 72`s, Betribskameras....etc. etc. It`s all been faked ever since camera collecting took off in the late 1960`s)
I heard that this one was an example of the camera that didn`t have a clear prior history - but either way you look at it, it DID make history, real or not and I think the auction houses have a special insurance coverage that covers them in case something turns up bogus, but sadly for the buyer there`s no return on items sold.....
Tom
PS: Vintage racecar collectors go through this problem as well.....while some restoration services have put cars together from original parts and from wrecks etc. and there`s a few 4 million $$$ dollar D-JAGUAR`S that have the SAME chassis number, no matter what people say about it/them
Tom,
Adding the commisions, this camera did almost half a million Dollars!!
Do you believe the spooky claims coming outta Leica circles, or the price??
Kiu
nikonhswebmaster
11-20-2007, 05:33
Most Expensive? Not even close.
At the LHSA meeting in Solms,
Leica exhibited the UR Leica.
Insured for a cool 2,000,000 Euros in 2006
probably more now.
Stephen
As far as I know (correct me if I am wrong) but the UR Leica is just insured, but has never sold for a larger amount. Insurance seems like a bit of a publicity move.
nikonhswebmaster
11-20-2007, 05:52
not at all.
last year Dr. Kaufmann bought 100% of the Leica Camera company...
or was it this year? whichever.
Stephen
I spent some time reading about Dr. Kaufmann today. After -- I feel that there is no question that there is going to be a digital M that will end up making the current model look like a primitive mock up.
He is talking like Steve Jobs does, ending the name Leica, going back to the roots of the company as an industrial design firm Leitz. He is opening the door to Leitz products like photo software.
Leitz will either go under, or change the way we think of digital cameras.
CameraQuest
11-20-2007, 09:10
As far as I know (correct me if I am wrong) but the UR Leica is just insured, but has never sold for a larger amount. Insurance seems like a bit of a publicity move.
Well Fred,
The deal is you buy the UR Leica, and you get the company for free!
It's my understanding there were actually THREE UR Leicas. Only one remains with the Leica company. I photographed it from most every angle at the factory. But for some odd reason they didn't want me loading it up and taking pics around Wetzlar. The other two originals are whereabouts unknown.
There are lots of well done fakes however. Leica sold a non working replica years ago to the public. And many factory trained apprentices turned out UR Leicas as part of their training.
Stephen
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