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http://i9.tinypic.com/67rzsl3.jpg
Which camera?
Why do you think so?
JoeFriday
11-12-2007, 07:23
my vote goes to the Olympus Stylus based on the field of view and even metering
Hey, it looks like Madison.
It was taken with the Mamiya with an Olympus lens and a Pentax filter using a Cannon lens cap. The film was coated on August 1st at 9:45. 2,546,342 photons were used to make the exposure and the center wavelength was 553 nm. It was developed in Kodak C-41 chemistry at 35C. The drying time was 2 minutes and 3.4 seconds. 5 watts were used to scan the image and 342.4 mV were used resize it. The color space is sRGB.
So, am I close?
OurManInTangier
11-12-2007, 07:44
If it was one of my cameras can I please have it back?
JoeFriday
11-12-2007, 07:47
yeah, that IS madison!
Holga? One of the better ones, of course.
sienarot
11-12-2007, 09:06
Holga? One of the better ones, of course.
You mean defective? :p
Finder, you're all wrong. Where's your common sense?
It was taken with the Mamiya with an Olympus lens and a Pentax filter using a Cannon lens cap. The film was coated on August 1st at 9:45. 2,546,342 photons were used to make the exposure and the center wavelength was 553 nm. It was developed in Kodak C-41 chemistry at 35C. The drying time was 2 minutes and 3.4 seconds. 5 watts were used to scan the image and 342.4 mV were used resize it. The color space is sRGB.
So, am I close?
Nope, NO, Nine, Nada... Way off. It was a Hoya Skylight 1a filter. Otherwise perfecto!
Finder, you're all wrong. Where's your common sense?
Silly me. :bang: :D
shadowfox
11-12-2007, 09:32
What's a Mamiya SD rangefinder?
nikon_sam
11-12-2007, 10:19
It was "Your" camera that took this picture...
Gabriel M.A.
11-12-2007, 10:45
Hey, it looks like Madison.
That does look like Madison.
I'll go on a limb and say it's the Canon QLIII; there's that signature sharpness/softness conflict going on that is typical of the Canonet.
rogue_designer
11-12-2007, 10:48
I'm going to say the k1000 - assuming there is no crop - the framing is very precise, lines are all parallel - sure you can do that with an RF, but it's easier with a through the lens system of some sort.
Sorry,
maybe I have slept too long in my grave. But I have never seen a camera that takes a picture all by itself. I always thought and knew that there was a human operator involved in actually taking a pictures with the help of a camera.
So, there are new-fangled cameras out there that are self-taught (how) to take level horizon pics, to select subject matter in a nice form, with an angle of view to please us here, ... ? Terrific news this is!
I am amazed, are we not all? I wonder how the street was kept empty for this autonomous new wonder camera to take its FIRST real world PICTURE. (I assume this is a Guiness book first; am I right?) Does the camera move or walk about like HB would, extend itself to get off the ground to see better views? ... Hundreds of quaestion come to my mind here ....
Please do tell how this wonder beast works! "Now I can give up photography" - I could say in a repeat of what old Pablo P did say about painting ... before I went to my grave and sleep ...
yeah, that IS madison!
Survey says ...
... BBBZZZZzzzzzttt! Thanks for playing anyway!
Nope!
amateriat
11-12-2007, 13:13
dmr: I don't know what the hell a Mamiya SD is, so I'm guessing that's what you used. :)
BTW, the street scene is awful classy. Not like the current (NYC) Madison I know.
- Barrett
What's a Mamiya SD rangefinder?
dmr: I don't know what the hell a Mamiya SD is, so I'm guessing that's what you used. :)
The Mamiya Super Deluxe is probably the best known of the not so well known Mamiya-Sekor rangefinders. The Auto Deluxe is probably the second well known of this very elusive family. A few others here have admitted, at times, to having one of these.
http://i8.tinypic.com/6ll37mx.jpg
(Please excuse the crummy photo of the SD. It's a crop of a "family portrait" taken with a friend's {d-word} camera.)
My first real camera was a Mamiya SD, but I sold it way back when and have been kicking myself for doing so ever since.
The quest to find another one is what brought me here to RFF back in early 2005. The one pictured is my current one, made mostly of one nice Ebay special with a few parts from another Ebay special.
BTW, the street scene is awful classy. Not like the current (NYC) Madison I know.
It ain't Madison, Avenue or Wisconsin! :)
It's 16th. St. in Omaha, taken right after the only semi-scenic snow of the 2005-2006 season. Madame Butterfly is playing at the Orpheum, a block or so to the south, and another landmark is the iconic King Fong Cafe.
rogue_designer
11-12-2007, 14:59
so... was it taken with the mamiya?
Is that Persian restaurant still in business? And do you work for First Data?
Is that Persian restaurant still in business?
If you mean the one in the food court which would be one block north of where the photo was taken, no, it didn't last very long.
If you mean the one in the Market area, maybe 1/2 mile SE of this photo, yes, last time I was by there it was. Forget the name, though.
And do you work for First Data?
OMG no! :) :)
keithwms
11-12-2007, 17:36
Sorry, I see nothing characteristic in the photo. Just guessing....
It looks somewhat like an slr shot to me. The snow tones look digital though... something about the fact that I am looking at it on a computer screen perhaps. :rolleyes:
"If you don't like my driving, get off the sidewalk!"
Is that common practice in Omaha?
Any of those cameras seem possible, but the digital probably not. Highlights give out smoothly (no sudden clipping or artifacts around fine dark detail surrounded by white) and the parallels are probably too parallel. Wrong?
"If you don't like my driving, get off the sidewalk!" Is that common practice in Omaha?
Omaha drivers are something else!
Omaha really does not have as many traffic issues as many other cities, so the drivers tend to be not as alert as you would want them to be.
Back when I worked in midtown, we used to say that rush hour was like the Coney Island bumper cars (Skooter, Dodgem), except there was no operator with the "Emergency Stop" switch! :)
But back to the subject ...
Any of those cameras seem possible, but the digital probably not. Highlights give out smoothly (no sudden clipping or artifacts around fine dark detail surrounded by white) and the parallels are probably too parallel. Wrong?
I'll let the cat out of the bag now. This was taken with the Mamiya, using the Walgreens/Agfa 200 film.
My point of this, inspired by the "Which Camera, Leica or Ansco box?" thread, was to show that it's very difficult to tell by looking at a specific photograph as to what camera, lens, film, etc. was used.
Several people have referred to the "quality threshold", the point at which any further improvement in the technical details will have negligible effect on the finished photo. I see this principle related to the fact that it's very difficult to tell what was used.
And yes, I should have added a "No Clue" type of answer.
I expected the similar thread on "which film?" to be more accurate, but I was wrong.
Well, you should have put 'Digital PnS' on one of the options...or better...'$2000 DSLR system with good prime lens'!
Speaking of the Mamiya SD rangefinder...I bought a Mamiya SLR from an antique store about a couple of months ago. That lead me to read up more about the elusive Mamiya stuff and their mysterious SLRs and rangefinders (unlike the medium format stuff they're famous for).
There is a Mamiya SD sitting in the shelves of that same camera store right now, selling for only $5 Australian. Display only. My guess is that it's not working. But one of these days if I am feeling lucky I might try to see if there's a way to get it working.
burninfilm
11-13-2007, 03:47
I'm glad to see that others are proving the point that lens "signature" and other factors have little actual effect upon the resultant photograph. Check this out:
Which lens has been used for this picture?... Part 2 (http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44410)
In this thread, I posted the image and asked forum members to guess which lens produced the result. They had some difficulty guessing the age of the lens, and even some problems with guessing the focal length. After some hints, they did manage to nail down which TYPE of lens (the Summicron). However, I did tell them the lens was "vintage", a RF lens, mounted to my M2, and obviously produced fantastic results, so it's not like there were too many options. I could perform the same test with a 1960's vintage Contax mount 50mm f2.0 Sonnar, and I'd likely recieve guesses of "Summicron" for that lens too. Even the Anastar on a Kodak 35 RF is capable of stellar results that would fool most people.
It's my belief that we could benefit greatly from replacing the time we use discussing lens "signatures" and rendition to instead go out and shoot some pictures! Let's face it, experience is a far greater teacher than any single person on this forum. Or any lens. Or any camera....
Check this out:
Which lens has been used for this picture?... Part 2 (http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44410)
In this thread, I posted the image and asked forum members to guess which lens produced the result. They had some difficulty guessing the age of the lens, and even some problems with guessing the focal length.
I must have missed that thread for some reason.
It's becoming increasingly obvious that it's very difficult to tell what camera, what film, what lens, and even what focal length and what format, or even to assert that a photo is film or digital.
I couldn't have picked the camera with any certainty, though I didn't think it was the Stylus or the K1000. But the film ... yeah, that Agfa Vista 200 look is pretty distinctive and pleasant. I love the stuff!
Al Patterson
11-13-2007, 04:50
I must have missed that thread for some reason.
It's becoming increasingly obvious that it's very difficult to tell what camera, what film, what lens, and even what focal length and what format, or even to assert that a photo is film or digital.
Once we scan a print or negative, it IS all digital, in a sense. Looking at prints on a desk we may see more difference than looking at them on a computer monitor.
manfromh
11-13-2007, 07:55
Im guessing its the Olympus Stylus. My gut feeling told me that
ErnestoJL
11-13-2007, 08:30
Some time ago, a fellow from the Ancient Camera Users Club (to which I too belong), here in Buenos Aires showed Us a small (6x9 cm) B&W print, and asked if any one of Us was able to tell which camera and which lens was used.
Many answered it was a Tessar or Tessar clone, others said Sonnar or Ektar...some others gave different answers.
The Camera was a nicely kept Agfa Box of early fifties, which lens was a real good one.
This simply proved that not allways the lens or the camera is decisive for a good shot.
Cheers
Ernesto
P.S. I still keep my Mamiya SD.
This was taken with the Mamiya, using the Walgreens/Agfa 200 film.
My point of this, was to show that it's very difficult to tell by looking at a specific photograph as to what camera, lens, film, etc. was used.
Well, half of us guessed right. Was it that difficult...?
Well, half of us guessed right. Was it that difficult...?
At the time I posted which camera it was, only 3 out of 30-some had selected the correct camera.
Gabriel M.A.
11-13-2007, 09:15
At the time I posted which camera it was, only 3 out of 30-some had selected the correct camera.
I still don't see a post with a definitive answer.
Or is it just to tease further?
I still don't see a post with a definitive answer.
Posted at 5:22am CST:
I'll let the cat out of the bag now. This was taken with the Mamiya, using the Walgreens/Agfa 200 film.
Or is it just to tease further?
Me? Tease? :)
Gabriel M.A.
11-13-2007, 09:23
Ahhh. I certainly missed it. Hmm.
If you mean the one in the food court which would be one block north of where the photo was taken, no, it didn't last very long.
If you mean the one in the Market area, maybe 1/2 mile SE of this photo, yes, last time I was by there it was. Forget the name, though.
Ahmad's, and yes, it's still there.
So, did you go up to King Fong (yellow sign in bkgnd) and have some egg foo yong? The atmosphere has to be seen to be believed... you half-expect Sam ***** to rush through on the trail of the Maltese Falcon... if I ever get into fashion photography, it would be a terrific location for a shoot.
[additional] Coming back to edit this post, I was surprised to learn that the name of Miles Archer's partner is apparently objectionable to the board's naughty-words filter! For those of you unfamiliar with either the works of Dashiell Hammett or the films of Humphrey Bogart, let's say that his name's not Sam Heart, nor Sam Diamond, nor Sam Club, so it has to be Sam _____.
I'm glad to see that others are proving the point that lens "signature" and other factors have little actual effect upon the resultant photograph.
I know a few guys who are able to guess a lens by looking at a picture with an amazingly low error rate. It requires a well trained eye and a good knowledge of the lenses, like a violin player with a trained ear is able to recognize the sound of a guarnerius between many others -- or an enologist is able to pick up a Château d'Yquem among other grands crus.
Cheers!
Abbazz
So, did you go up to King Fong (yellow sign in bkgnd) and have some egg foo yong? The atmosphere has to be seen to be believed... you half-expect Sam ***** to rush through on the trail of the Maltese Falcon... if I ever get into fashion photography, it would be a terrific location for a shoot.
I've been there, but not for several years. Definitely different. :)
There's chit-chat on one of the local boards that the building has recently been sold, and speculation of what may or may not happen.
[additional] Coming back to edit this post, I was surprised to learn that the name of Miles Archer's partner is apparently objectionable to the board's naughty-words filter!
LOL! I've been caught in the naughty words filter too. I had "running" inside of curly braces once and it censored it. I asked our then-resident Vbulletin jock if he could figure it out and he was stumped. :)
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