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But that's for K and Nikon mount : http://tinyurl.com/2jt6hw
I wander if some new lenses for M mount are sheduled...
Those new Zeissina lenses look good.
However, I can't imagine a new M mount lens unless it's a fast 75 or 90. That's the only hole in the CV lineup, IMO.
CameraQuest
11-02-2007, 08:31
Those new Zeissina lenses look good.
However, I can't imagine a new M mount lens unless it's a fast 75 or 90. That's the only hole in the CV lineup, IMO.
the new 40/2 and 58/1.4 are Voigtlander lenses in Pentax KA and Nikon AIS SLR mounts, and have nothing to do with Zeiss.
The 1st issue 58/1.4 Topcor by Cosina a few years back was a limited edition lens and became a very sought after lens in the Japanese home market.
Stephen
Can we expect these to come out in other mounts as well, Steve ?
Thanks,
Roland.
kshapero
11-02-2007, 08:41
Steve, when will you have these lenses? And how much?
anabasis
11-02-2007, 08:51
Looks like one is a "P" lens. I saw these lenses on the cosina japan site, but glad to have found an english version.
JCA
kshapero
11-02-2007, 09:03
the 58mm sells for 2000 yen, thats about $17.42 USD!!! nice!
erikhaugsby
11-02-2007, 09:12
the 58mm sells for 2000 yen, thats about $17.42 USD!!! nice!
I think that was the hood they're talking about.
BillBingham2
11-02-2007, 10:15
The mounts look like they have the electronic transfer of information to and from the camera. Not sure what this covers, any thoughts?
B2 (;->
wontonny
11-02-2007, 10:18
the 58mm sells for 2000 yen, thats about $17.42 USD!!! nice!
I think that was the hood they're talking about.
ROFL. hahhaha
wontonny
11-02-2007, 10:18
the 58mm sells for 2000 yen, thats about $17.42 USD!!! nice!
I think that was the hood they're talking about.
ROFL. hahhaha lost
wontonny
11-02-2007, 10:18
the 58mm sells for 2000 yen, thats about $17.42 USD!!! nice!
I think that was the hood they're talking about.
ROFL. hahhaha lost in translation
the new 40/2 and 58/1.4 are Voigtlander lenses in Pentax KA and Nikon AIS SLR mounts, and have nothing to do with Zeiss.
The 1st issue 58/1.4 Topcor by Cosina a few years back was a limited edition lens and became a very sought after lens in the Japanese home market.
Stephen
I know they have "nothing" to do with Zeiss, officially. But I have this funny feeling all Zeiss lenses are rebadged Voigtlander with a slight twist. If I'm so wrong, then the Cosina marketing is doing something wrong, IMO. Only MO.
kjoosten
11-02-2007, 10:29
Soooo, how is the pancake different from the discontinued 40mm f/2 SL (besides being black)? Always thought it was a pretty good lens.
CameraQuest
11-02-2007, 10:34
I know they have "nothing" to do with Zeiss, officially. But I have this funny feeling all Zeiss lenses are rebadged Voigtlander with a slight twist..
absolutely not true.
Zeiss is far too proud of its optical reputation to allow anything like that to happen
If I'm so wrong, then the Cosina marketing is doing something wrong, IMO. Only MO.
not sure what you are getting at with that comment, but Cosina has absolutely nothing to do with Zeiss marketing (except in Japan where Cosina distributes Zeiss)
As far as US prices on the new lenses, that will be announced within a few days.
Stephen
Stephen,
Cosina makes both, correct? There is not enough differentiation between Voigt and Zeiss except the name. Both lenses look almost the same. And a name is not enough to push a consumer like me to pay extra money.
I'm a consumer so I think what I'm saying shouldn't be taken very lightly.
How serious would Leitz be if they we're subsidiary of Tamron Co.? Well, that's how I view the modern Zeiss. And please don't get me wrong, I love the Voigtlander line.
CameraQuest
11-02-2007, 10:54
Stephen,
Cosina makes both, correct? There is not enough differentiation between Voigt and Zeiss except the name. Both lenses look almost the same. And a name is not enough to push a consumer like me to pay extra money.
I'm a consumer so I think what I'm saying shouldn't be taken very lightly.
that is your view, and you are of course entitled to it.
but zeiss fanatics will argue that on to hell and back with you.
I do agree that Zeiss's success in marketing the new lenses seems to be a lot less than they were hoping for. Don't forget, these is the same company that stopped producing cameras in the 1970's because they publicly admitted they were not good at marketing retail products to the public.
How serious would Leitz be if they we're subsidiary of Tamron Co.? Well, that's how I view the modern Zeiss. And please don't get me wrong, I love the Voigtlander line.
that is not the relationship at all between Cosina and Zeiss. Zeiss contracted Cosina to build Zeiss lenses and cameras to Zeiss designs and Zeiss QC standards. Neither is a subsidiary of the other.
Stephen
kshapero
11-02-2007, 10:57
ROFL. hahhaha lost in translation
Damn, I actually have $17.42 in my pocket ready to go. Damn!!!:mad:
NIKON KIU
11-02-2007, 11:07
コシナ sells single focus manual focusing lens "Ultron of フォクトレンダーブランド 40mm F2 SL II Aspherical" and "Nokton 58mm F1.4 SL II". Together for Nikon Ai-s are prepared and one for ペンタックス KA. Which price as for 5 ten thousand Yen.
There you have it, 50,000 yen.
Stop dreaming! Yes, you can buy the hood for $17.42 :angel:
Stephen says the price will be available in a few days...let me guess?
$500.00
Nice, they are not only AIs mount, they come with the Matrix chip now.
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2007/11/01/cosina_04.jpg
Kiu
NIKON KIU
11-02-2007, 11:13
The mounts look like they have the electronic transfer of information to and from the camera. Not sure what this covers, any thoughts?
B2 (;->
That means you can have 3D Matrix metering with the cameras that have Matrix metering like the N8008, N90, N90s....F6 :eek:
Won't matter when you mount it on a Nikon F2 or F3 ;)
I wonder what's next, AUTO FOCUS??
Kiu
Those new Zeissina lenses look good.
However, I can't imagine a new M mount lens unless it's a fast 75 or 90. That's the only hole in the CV lineup, IMO.
I'd like to see a faster 50, say f/1.2, to match the 35 Nokton.
Spider67
11-02-2007, 11:14
There you have it, 50,000 yen.
Stop dreaming! Yes, you can buy the hood for $17.42 :angel:
Stephen says the price will be available in a few days...let me guess?
$500.00
Nice, they are not only AIs mount, they come with the Matrix chip now.
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2007/11/01/cosina_04.jpg
Kiu
I had translated it to 15 000 Yes which also would have been quite affordable....But no you had to destroy that illusion...
BillBingham2
11-02-2007, 12:34
NIKON KIU> Won't matter when you mount it on a Nikon F2 or F3 ;)
On my F2A they will work fine, but I do not see a prong for my F2 Photomic! Matrix Smatrix, give me center weighted or give me hand held!
NIKON KIU> I wonder what's next, AUTO FOCUS??
God I hope not! My goal is to have a face body and all good solid manual focus primes to work with. Way too much fancy linkages to go bad after 15 years of use.
B2 (;->
rolleistef
11-02-2007, 12:59
58/1.4 looks fun. a bit more than a 50 and 1.4 for a nice bokeh. However, such a lens will be hardly usable on a digital camera, except a nikon D3 of course, I've been using a 50/1.7 on my K100D and it's almost impossible to get a correctly focused picture at full aperture since it turns it into a 75. How usable would a manual-focus 80/1.4 equivalent be on an ultra-bright focusing screen? Maybe it's time to get a split-image one...
Dr. Strangelove
11-05-2007, 08:39
that is your view, and you are of course entitled to it.
but zeiss fanatics will argue that on to hell and back with you.
I do agree that Zeiss's success in marketing the new lenses seems to be a lot less than they were hoping for. Don't forget, these is the same company that stopped producing cameras in the 1970's because they publicly admitted they were not good at marketing retail products to the public.
Stephen
Zeiss's name was what kept Kyocera with the Contax brand in business during the 1990's despite the lack of autofocus in Contax SLRs. At that time Zeiss made lenses exclusively for the Y/C-bayonet in the 35 mm SLR market. Or rather Kyocera made them for Zeiss's specifications just as Cosina makes them today.
The story of Zeiss Ikon, the Zeiss camera company, is more complex. They failed to compete with the Japanese camera companies both in innovation and price to quality and performance ratio during the 1960s. It is perhaps telling that the East German Pentacon made more innovative and practical SLR's than Zeiss Ikon in West Germany. They could not design much to compete with the Japanese fixed lens rangefinders either.
Of course Zeiss Ikon was also facing the much higher production costs of West Germany and relocating the manufacturing to a cheaper country was not really an option in the 1960s. Better marketing would not have saved Zeiss Ikon. Streamlining the product range to a few prestige models sold at extraorbitant prices similar to Leica might have done it, but by the late 1960s it was essentially too late for that as well.
CameraQuest
11-05-2007, 09:03
NEW Voigtlander SLII 40/2 & 58/1.4
Mr. K has just announced his new Voigtlander SLII series 40/2 and 58/1.4 for Nikon and Pentax SLRs.
http://www.cosina.co.jp/seihin/voigt...sl2/index.html
http://www.cosina.co.jp/seihin/voigt...sl2/index.html
http://www.cosina.co.jp/seihin/voigt...sl2/index.html
These are new versions of the previous Voigtlander SL 40/2 and the limited edition Cosina made Topcor 58/1.4 of a few years ago (produced in chrome for Nikon AIS or Pentax M42 mount). The superbly performing Cosina made Topcor 58/1.4 is popular and very sought after in Japan. Unfortunately it sold out too quickly for most other markets to be very aware of the lens. and See previous versions here http://www.cameraquest.com/Voigt%20SL.htm
Although the new SLII lenses have the same glass as the previous versions, there are very important differences:
1) both are chipped for full metering capacity with digital SLR lenses. This is a first for Voigtlander Nikon mount lenses. While covering the full frame 35mm format, they are also ideal fast lenses for Nikon digital SLRs. With Nikon discontinuing most of their manual focus single focal length lenses, Mr. K once again offers lenses not available elsewhere.
2) Both new lenses are available in black only. The new version 40 now includes the interesting dome lens hood (previously sold separately) and a close up lens. the 58's lens hood is sold separately (previously included)
3) SLII lenses are so far announced only in Nikon AIS (with metering matrix chip) and Pentax KA mounts. Voigtlander did produce the now discontinued 125/2.5 in manual focus Canon EOS and Minolta AF mounts, with the needed metering chips. Unfortunately neither sold well, so it remains to be seen if Mr. K will make more lenses in those mounts.
4) The Cosina factory will start shipping mid November for the 40, mid December for the 58. Nikon mounts will be produced first.
5) Despite some speculation on RFF, the Voigtlander lens designs and Zeiss lens designs have nothing in common. Both product lines are the results of different design teams.
6) USA price initially has been set at $379 for either the 40 or 58, $39 more for the 58 lens hood.
7) CameraQuest is now accepting orders for the new SL II 40/2 and 58/1.4
feel free to post this info in other forums if you like.
Stephen
Gabriel M.A.
11-05-2007, 09:07
5) Despite some speculation on RFF, the Voigtlander lens designs and Zeiss lens designs have nothing in common. Both product lines are the results
You mean the optics, right? Looking at the 40mm Nokton for M-mount, for example, and the ZM lenses seem to share a lot in common. Unless, of course, that is all pure mind-meld/coincidence.
Uncle Bill
11-10-2007, 16:34
One thing, I don't see rabbit ears so I won't able to use these lenses on my F's, F2 and Nikkormat. Pity.
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