View Full Version : M4-P + Summitar, some shots...
... I found my M-mount / LTM adapter again and gave this combo a try. My aim was to shot one film complete at f/2.0 to see how the lens performs wide open under different conditions. Also my first roll developed in D76 (I usually use T-max dev. or HC-110)
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M4-P Rocks!
D76 Rocks!
Nice pics and it seems it's a nice lens too. Great going!
Thanks Ned ! I am going to use D-76 more frequently now. Two more from the same roll:
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Vincenzo Maielli
10-31-2007, 01:23
Hi Maddoc, your shots are very very nice. I own also the Summitar (mine was build in 1955) and work perfectly. Is a very great performer! With this lens i use, as lens hood, the IROOA. Is not a proper combination but work very nice.
Ciao.
Vincenzo
Hi Maddoc, your shots are very very nice. I own also the Summitar (mine was build in 1955) and work perfectly. Is a very great performer! With this lens i use, as lens hood, the IROOA. Is not a proper combination but work very nice.
Ciao.
Vincenzo
Vincenzo, thank you ! I forgot the build date of my Summitar but might be in the same range. (...I think it is the multicoated version that I have) It is the only lens that I own without a hood ... I heard that the original hood for this lens is expensive and rear ?
sleepyhead
10-31-2007, 01:53
Nice shots - somewhat "swirly-looking" bokeh on that Night Shot...
Nice shots - somewhat "swirly-looking" bokeh on that Night Shot...
Thanks Yaron ! I wondered about that bokeh too ... Not sure about what could have it caused :confused:
MCTuomey
10-31-2007, 02:23
I like the look. Any chance you have some portrait shots on the roll? It'd be interesting to see that side of the lens' qualities.
... just checked but no portrait shot. I do not often take portrait shots ... :o
I love your pictures; the Summitar is a great lens. Please post some of your superb pictures here (http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=668308#post668308)(I've just started a W/NW thread as a tribute to the Summitar; no theme, just pictures taken with this lens).
Again great shots.
Cheers,
Marc
Hello Maddoc,
you´ve done your work very well!
The shots are impressive and show the possibilities of the M... and his user... ;-)
I like the M4-P very much because it is a hidden gem in the m-family.
Bully
I love your pictures; the Summitar is a great lens. Please post some of your superb pictures here (http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=668308#post668308)(I've just started a W/NW thread as a tribute to the Summitar; no theme, just pictures taken with this lens).
Again great shots.
Cheers,
Marc
Thank you Marc !! I will post some of my Summitar photos in that thread !
Hello Maddoc,
you´ve done your work very well!
The shots are impressive and show the possibilities of the M... and his user... ;-)
I like the M4-P very much because it is a hidden gem in the m-family.
Bully
Bully, thanks ! I didn't expect any astonishing photos from the Summitar (technical-wise) and was quite surprised when I saw the developed neg. This combo (M4-P + Summitar) will be used more often from now on ... :) The M4-P really rocks ! (... and my MP is collecting dust)
Cheers,
maddoc
Dektol Dan
11-01-2007, 10:23
A Summitar is your Best Friend.
One minute its images look old, the next as modern as the latest glass made today.
Its contrast is deep and wide. It appears thin on the surface but start nudging it in by playing with paper or curves in Photoshop and the amount of information it records to be tapped is phenomenal!
shadowfox
11-01-2007, 12:48
Yay for M4-P usage :)
Maddoc, nice contrasts, but like you I'm puzzled about the bokeh, if it wasn't apparent at all, it's swirly, otherwise it has that pattern (egg-shaped??) like in the picture with the banana. These are not what I typically would associate with Leitz lenses.
Just on a TLR thread this morning, some of us are discussing what can cause the swirly-bokeh, and one opinion is that it's aggravated when using 3-element lenses. But the Summitar is not a 3-element lens, is it?
Btw, I'm surprise in Japan it's not spelled 'Starubaku' :D
shadowfox
11-01-2007, 12:51
I like the M4-P very much because it is a hidden gem in the m-family.
Bully
I agree with that. Quite a few of us choose the M4-P despite having tested the other more "elite" M's. :)
Damn - having gone thru months where the Summitar is never discussed, now we have multiple posts about the lens. The secret is out.
Yay for M4-P usage :)
Maddoc, nice contrasts, but like you I'm puzzled about the bokeh, if it wasn't apparent at all, it's swirly, otherwise it has that pattern (egg-shaped??) like in the picture with the banana. These are not what I typically would associate with Leitz lenses.
Just on a TLR thread this morning, some of us are discussing what can cause the swirly-bokeh, and one opinion is that it's aggravated when using 3-element lenses. But the Summitar is not a 3-element lens, is it?
Btw, I'm surprise in Japan it's not spelled 'Starubaku' :D
"Starubaku" would be great ! :D;)
I read the thread about the squirly-bokeh in the TLR forum and slowly get the impression that my lens could need some check ... (already mailed Don) I bought the Summitar used via Yahoo auction here in Japan and the seller stated that it had been CLA'ed recently. What me concerns is that the index markings for the aperture and focus are tilted against each other by roughly 80 degrees.:confused: It could be that somebody took it apart and re-assembled it wrong :eek: ... Anyhow, I like the lens !!
cheers,
maddoc
This is really nice Gabor. My fav is the third one.
Erik, thank you ! M4-P + Summitar really rocks !
mike goldberg
12-14-2007, 01:28
Thanks all... especially Gabor. I especially like the girls and the train. In the restaurant shot, the bananas are very sharp. Yes, that is a pleasing quality to this lens... central sharpness, with
falloff towards the edges.
philhirn
12-14-2007, 01:45
every summitar has that swirly bookeh thing wide open, the collapsible cron fixes that :)
Thanks all... especially Gabor. I especially like the girls and the train. In the restaurant shot, the bananas are very sharp. Yes, that is a pleasing quality to this lens... central sharpness, with
falloff towards the edges.
Mike, thank you ! Albeit, I have some more "sophisticated" lenses (say "more expensive"), a lot of my photos were taken with the Summitar (and quite a few with the IIIf/Summitar). This is not only because it is small but also for the way it renders.
Cheers,
maddoc
Really great shots, and a great experiment too! I like the sharpness -- maybe clarity is a better word -- of the images. I continue to be amazed at what the summitar can do -- in the right hands (including yours)! I think your f.2 project will inspire me to shoot a roll of bw w/ my Canon 50/1.5 using the same approach. Thanks for posting and keep posting more.
Vincenzo Maielli
12-14-2007, 07:45
Hi, Maddoc. Excuse me for the delayed answer. The Leitz Summitar was build from 1939 to 1955. Was the first coated lens, from 1945. My memory was wrong: mine Summitar was build in 1952. If you want know the building year of your Summitar, tell me the matriculation number.
Ciao.
Vincenzo
Joe Brugger
12-14-2007, 09:02
I found my M-mount / LTM adapter again and gave this combo a try. My aim was to shot one film complete at f/2.0 to see how the lens performs wide open under different conditions. Also my first roll developed in D76 (I usually use T-max dev. or HC-110)
Thanks for the photos. Proof that good ideas and good equipment, well-handled, can produce good work. The latest and greatest toys are no substitute for initiative, technical skill and a good eye.
CONNOR MJ
12-16-2007, 07:46
What are the differences between the summitar and the later summarit in a technical sense.
hans voralberg
12-16-2007, 08:43
Coating is most obvious thing spring to mind
rumbliegeos
12-16-2007, 10:49
I have a Summitar with the hexagonal aperture, and it has the same swirly bokeh. I was hoping the wild bokeh was related to the aperture, and was thinking about replacing this Summitar with one with more aperture blades. In any case, your images look great, and they inspire me to do more black and white work.
gerry
Vincenzo Maielli
12-17-2007, 05:55
For Connor MJ: the Leitz Summitar is a 50/2 while the later Leitz Summarit is a 50/1,5.
Ciao.
Vincenzo
WoolenMammoth
12-17-2007, 09:08
I wouldnt agree that all summitars have that swirly bokeh. I had one with hex aperature and it was really extreme, now I have two with circular blades and its much less pronounced in both of them. I doubt that the blades themselves have a whole lot to do with this (especially considering there is a significant difference to be seen at max aperature) so Im more inclined to think that the lens formula might have slightly changed when they switched from the hex to circular blades, think the glass is "better" in the later lenses.
I have a Summitar with the hexagonal aperture, and it has the same swirly bokeh. I was hoping the wild bokeh was related to the aperture, and was thinking about replacing this Summitar with one with more aperture blades. In any case, your images look great, and they inspire me to do more black and white work.
gerry
I wouldnt agree that all summitars have that swirly bokeh. I had one with hex aperature and it was really extreme, now I have two with circular blades and its much less pronounced in both of them. I doubt that the blades themselves have a whole lot to do with this (especially considering there is a significant difference to be seen at max aperature) so Im more inclined to think that the lens formula might have slightly changed when they switched from the hex to circular blades, think the glass is "better" in the later lenses.
It all depends on the background and the aperture. If the background is leafy, and you shoot wide open, then the bokeh will be swirly to very swirly. Otherwise, no problem with the Summitar bokeh.
Swirly not swirly?
Swirly
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Not swirly
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WoolenMammoth
12-17-2007, 10:33
again, if you compare the two generations of the lens at the same aperature with the same background, I would predict slightly different results. Thats my experience doing clinical tests with a few lenses to determine the keeper... Comparing one lens at f4 to another at f2 is not a comparison afterall...
someone earlier was asking about differences between the summitar and summarit and in my experience the summarit boks more consistently than does the summitar, as illustrated above. My work with either lens really doesnt suggest that they have a whole lot to do with each other though.
Comparing one lens at f4 to another at f2 is not a comparison afterall...
Both wide open.
Cheers,
Marc
WoolenMammoth
12-18-2007, 04:56
yes, obviously. think you misread the intent of the statement...
Vincenzo Maielli
12-20-2007, 02:40
Very great shots, Marc-A! The Leitz Summitar is a true fantastic lens!
Ciao.
direwolf101
01-20-2008, 03:49
Maddoc, nice shots! What LTM to M adaptor did you use? I have a summitar and an M4-P on the way and would like to try this combo as well.
Thx.
Maddoc, nice shots! What LTM to M adaptor did you use? I have a summitar and an M4-P on the way and would like to try this combo as well.
Thx.
direwolf101: Thank you !! I use a Cosina Voigtlaender 50/75 LTM-M-mount adapter, the cheapest one I could find in a near-by shop.
Cheers,
maddoc
direwolf101
01-20-2008, 04:47
Thanks maddoc. Keep up the good work with that summitar and M4-P!
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