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nikola
10-30-2007, 02:51
Just slightly updated with the sensor from GX100 and bigger LCD. Nothing to be excited about. ;)

link (http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/compact/2007/10/30/7312.html)
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lZr
10-30-2007, 03:39
Thanks Nikola. I canceled my GX100 order and was in big hope about GRD II. Will wait to read DPreview site
Steve Litt
10-30-2007, 03:46
Thanks for the link.
Shown is a 40mm conversion lens and finder.Which,to me,is a big plus!

Regards
Steve
Rhodie
10-30-2007, 04:27
Faster RAW buffer and I'm there!

Agreed, in the meantime having to make do with the Canon G9.
As long as you keep ISO down it is quite capable.
Though the 35mm perspective is too limiting.
Still keeping a brace of S70s serviceable as backup.
BillBingham2
10-30-2007, 04:28
A couple of cool features that might be worth it to some. From what I can see 10mp sensor, custom battery, a bit smaller. I think the 40mm lens will work on both old and new. There is an electronic level indicator and the video capture has improved.

B2 (;->
BillBingham2
10-30-2007, 04:30
Not sure about the faster RAW buffer, but internal memory is larger. Does the GX100 have a faster RAW buffer? I think they took a lot of electronics from there so that might give an indication.

But again, just a guess.

B2 (;->
Steve Litt
10-30-2007, 04:32
Lets go digital report reduced raw write time of 3.8 seconds an improvement over present 11 seconds appx now and .....well read it all here!
http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/17358/ricoh-gr-digital2/


Regards
Steve
Terao
10-30-2007, 04:43
Ricoh site mentions that you can take two RAW shots instantly. Write times for GX100 were about 4 seconds so it makes sense given that they're using the engine from that camera. Also seems that you can turn off NR in jpg mode although that's not clear.

There's also a new 28mm minifinder that's very similar to the Voigtlander mini (probably built by Cosina and rehoused). Some forum talk that it will be etched for the 40mm but I'll believe that when I see it...

Given that I don't own one I'll probably buy one (my parents use a GR-D and I'm addicted to that little camera). Will probably trade in my GR1V.
ywenz
10-30-2007, 05:39
new firmware will be available for the grd 1..

http://ricohforum.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=378
Bobfrance
10-30-2007, 05:53
Good news I always fancied a GR-D.

Hopefully I'll be able to pick one up cheap secondhand when all the early-adopters rush out to upgrade to the new model. ;)
SteveM(PA)
10-30-2007, 05:59
Has the gx100 video mode:)
monochromejrnl
10-30-2007, 06:22
new firmware upgrade is fantastic news for GRD owners like myself... nice to see a manufacturer supporting 'older' digital technology and not treating their products like disposable products...
andersju
10-30-2007, 08:33
Here's a compilation of what's new in the GRD II. Lookin' good!

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1013&message=25417173
nksyoon
10-30-2007, 09:38
What I like is the 40mm converter which I can use on the GRD1, and the new firmware which will enable flash compensation on the GRD1. The new finder looks like it'll be more compact than the older one (same size as the big CV finders) which would be a good thing, except I already have the older one.

Also that a soft case has been added which can accommodate the GRD2 with the new finder attached.

This discussion on flickr (http://www.flickr.com/groups/grdigital/discuss/72157601747427468/#comment72157602792019944)mentions that GRD2 only has "CCD method" AF, not passive AF as on GRD1. Not sure about this.
Terao
10-30-2007, 10:38
I think the AF thing is correct - the camera has lost the sensors on the front which I believe are what were used for passive AF...
aizan
10-30-2007, 11:06
the dof indicator is the bee knees! it's on my wishlist, now that it has usable raw shooting and a 40mm conversion lens.
spysmart
10-30-2007, 11:13
Will probably trade in my GR1V.

I would think very carefully before you did that - you might regret it.

The GRD2 looks a lot better than the GRD, but will not necessarily have better IQ than the GR1. Film in the GR1 certainly runs rings around the GX100 especially in contrasty situations and indoors (e.g. with colour at 800 ).

I have a GX100 and a GR1 ( had a GRD ) - the GR1 remains the most used camera out and about. I don't think a GRD2 will change that despite all it's snazzy new features.
ywenz
10-30-2007, 11:14
you can't reduce the DOF that much anyway on the GRD, how useful would that be?
Bobfrance
10-30-2007, 12:04
I would think very carefully before you did that - you might regret it.

The GRD2 looks a lot better than the GRD, but will not necessarily have better IQ than the GR1. Film in the GR1 certainly runs rings around the GX100 especially in contrasty situations and indoors (e.g. with colour at 800 ).

I have a GX100 and a GR1 ( had a GRD ) - the GR1 remains the most used camera out and about. I don't think a GRD2 will change that despite all it's snazzy new features.

I agree. The GR1 is a peach.

Keep it.
Terao
10-30-2007, 13:53
I find the motor noise on the GR1 intrusive, but yes I agree - for high ISO stuff it absolutely trounces a digital compact. I'm currently addicted to Neopan 1600 so the GR1 may stay, perhaps I'll trade a couple of other film bodies.
MadMan2k
10-30-2007, 15:21
I'm glad they updated it and actually listened to people's concerns about the original one.

The new model itself doesn't really make me want to go out and buy it, but the teleconverter is interesting... Carrying one GRD with the wide adapter for 21mm equivelant and another with the tele for 40 would be pretty versatile. It's got plenty of resolution to crop tighter, too.

Are those compact viewfinders actually good? How's the brightness compared to a good SLR or an M3? I would almost rather get one of the full size Voigtlanders so my eye could find it more easily as I picked the camera up.
aizan
10-30-2007, 19:02
i don't think it has a lamp to emit an af-assist beam, unless that's what that circular thing is...
IGMeanwell
10-30-2007, 19:30
It does have an AF assist light but like most ... you can turn it off

I guess we won't know until its release on how it performs
spysmart
10-30-2007, 23:35
Does this mean it will use a bright, white AF-assist beam instead? I sure hope not.

Don't worry if it's like the GX100 there wont be a bright white AF beam - it's bright green ;-)
Terao
10-31-2007, 00:39
and you can always turn autofocus off by running the camera in snap or infinity mode
Avotius
10-31-2007, 04:13
As someone who just bought a GRD I must say im not disappointed. Great they came out with a new one, but it was such a incremental upgrade that I wont be loosing any sleep over it. That new LCD with more viewing angle, great, that is a flaw of the grd and its viewfinderless body. Better movie mode? Great, not something that I have used more then once but why not? If that mini finder is all it looks to be, with 28mm frame lines I will take one, the other finder is....well....huge on this camera. 8mp to 10mp is a minor step unless Ricoh has bent the rules of physics and seriously reduced noise I dont think we will see anything much in it. The 40mm attachment thing is quite interesting, I will have to see how things come out with it...and see how large it is...which it seems to be quite.

What I hope they fixed is that pathetically horrible USB door thing, I refuse to open it because im afraid it wont close anymore so today I went and got a USB SD card reader thingy for downloading images.

All in all, good show Ricoh, could have been better, but its a good product already and im quite pleased with my oldie.

Also I notice the GRD has a 1/1.8 inch sensor and the new one has a 1/1.75 inch sensor, I wonder if that means they had to tweek the lens a bit or maybe it doesn't mater.