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charjohncarter
10-22-2007, 09:22
This is a recent article by Mr. Eriwn Puts.
http://www.imx.nl/photo/viewpoint/barnacks_smile_october_21_2.html
I guess he doesn't like modern digital equipment.
charjohncarter
10-22-2007, 09:40
Sounds like it to me.
Nikon Bob
10-22-2007, 10:14
I don't think he is too far off the mark with his comments on consumerism as we know it today. There are plenty of solutions out there in search of a problem to solve. There is plenty of confusion between needs and wants.
Bob
All I know is, 10 megapixels is so dead, just like film.
BillBingham2
10-22-2007, 10:53
OMG, That's is 5 minutes of reading I will never get back!
His stuff on photography is interesting, but IMHO he is going way out side of the area where he is best.
B2 (;->
To properly comment would be outside the guidelines of this forum.
I guess he'd rather decide what the peasants need-we don't know what's good for us!
Too much angst over the evolution of consumer photography. I say let the average person have his or her fun.
Dektol Dan
10-22-2007, 16:05
What meaningless dibble.
Don't shake it twice or you're playing with it if it dribbles.
Drivel, the past tense of drool? Let's see, today I drool, yesterday I driveled, no that can't be right......
Putz sez:
"We had the Hasselblad for serious editorial and fashion photography, the Nikon F for high quality documentary and illustration work, the Canon F1 for the more scientific kind of photography, the Pentax for reportage coverage and the Leica M for the high profile artistic snapshot. The photographer made a choice and knew the limits of every camera type."
Huh? this is ridiculous. You made/make your choice and use it for whatever you like....
Thank you for all your comments, as I can not waste the time reading it.
That said, I have lots of thoughts about marketing-driven consumerism. But I shan't delve into that here.
Too much angst over the evolution of consumer photography. I say let the average person have his or her fun.
As Puts reminds us, it was so different a long time ago. What was the line, "you press the button, we will do the rest."
How come Leica takes all the credit / blame - Contax and others were all out there too ?
Some of it I can recognise , but it's all too '' certain '' , black and white , ignoring other/ perceptions . A bit hecktoring for me - makes me uncomfortable .
dee
Rather mild and reasonably argued, I thought.
I tried to read this, but I lasted about a paragraph. Maybe I'll try again before bedtime to make sure I can sleep tonight.
Rather mild and reasonably argued, I thought.
I agree with you Mukul. His comments about consumerism are on point and reasonable. His complaints about digital photography are with the build quality of lenses for digital bodies not so much the bodies or digital photography per se.
...a modestly equipped manual camera with lenses with really good built-quality and outstanding optical design that require the photographer to think and feel about his photography above a camera that shields the photographer from the basics of the craft by introducing chance as the main principle for creating good pictures
The above quote from the article may be overly wrought, with some tortured syntax, but the sentiment is one that I have seen posted may times here.
In all I found the article short and easy to read. Some minor typos, and only a bit of hyperbole. I really do not see what is so objectionable about his arguments.
photogdave
10-23-2007, 11:35
It seems to be fashionable to pick on the guy without even reading his articles.
It seems to be fashionable to pick on the guy without even reading his articles.
I read it.
flashfirenze
10-23-2007, 12:04
pretty bad. like ken rockwell, but different
shadowfox
10-23-2007, 12:14
"the E-3 does away with the whole concept of a eye-level finder"
says Mr. Puts... well, actually, the E-3 has the largest viewfinder and viewfinder magnification of all the E-series cameras. It's 100% and 1.15x mag.
Olympus put the live-view on an articulated display for those who can use it and are willing to use it creatively. Nothing wrong with it. But to conclude that they don't care about eye-level finder, it's a bit of a stretch.
Other than that, I think it's an ok article about the state of consumerism in photography these days.
visiondr
10-23-2007, 13:31
... His comments about consumerism are on point and reasonable. His complaints about digital photography are with the build quality of lenses for digital bodies not so much the bodies or digital photography per se.
...In all I found the article short and easy to read. Some minor typos, and only a bit of hyperbole. I really do not see what is so objectionable about his arguments.
I have to agree with Kevin, et al. Puts makes some valid points. There's nothing objectionable here. Why all the hyperbole here?
I have to agree with Kevin, et al. Puts makes some valid points. There's nothing objectionable here. Why all the hyperbole here?
Because he shows he does not understand the photo industry nor photographic equipment manufacture. He paints his very sentimental picture of what he would have liked history to be. He is also rather arrogant in thinking only his approach to photography is the acceptable one. And people should not buy things because they want to.
I think Mr Puts may be a bit of a Luddite (i.e. mistrusts new technology.) But that is his right of course. I have a little sympathy for his views that modern cameras can do too much for the photographer sometimes. In theory this frees up the photographer to concentrate on composition etc. In practice it can lead to ignorance of the fundamentals and mindless shooting of shots just for the sake of it. I have a D70s (a nice camera but hardly leading edge these days) and even now I often use manual lenses on it. As this does not meter with MF lenses this makes the camera in principle like an early M series - or perhaps more aptly an old early Asahi Pentax before they had meters. Why - because its fun to do. But if I am going on holidays and want to take a camera with me more often than not its the D70s because its much cheaper to shoot and much more convenient than a film based rangefinder. Thats life.
I actually enjoy Mr. Puts' articles. His views as expressed in the article reflect a deep-seated dislike of individual choice.
landsknechte
10-23-2007, 20:31
So, if I understand this correctly:
A $5000+ camera is a more modest choice than a consumer camera costing a tenth of the price?
Consumerism and mass marketing in the photographic sphere are wholly products of the digital age?
Anyone who doesn't agree with Erwin on their choice of cameras is obviously brainwashed?
i dont think that this article was bad. i find its point of view very accurate. he described very nicely all bad things that this late capitalism brings for photography and where mankind is going. manufacturers make cameras which will help you to make photos faster but other industries do it to - they make washing machines which will clean your clothes 50% of time faster, clothes dryer so you dont need to wait long for drying, dish washer - so you dont lose time with that.but nobody tells us why do we need to save time. we are not in rush - we need to live our lives nice and simple and in our own pace. and all those simple things they want to make faster - they are real life and time which manufacturers "save" for us is imaginary thing and have nothing with reality.
i dont think that this article was bad. i find its point of view very accurate. he described very nicely all bad things that this late capitalism brings for photography and where mankind is going. manufacturers make cameras which will help you to make photos faster...
You mean like the box bownie and the Kodak ads of the day saying you press the button and we will do the rest? Well, the 20th century was like that. Exactly how far back in time do we have to go before we find cultures not looking for easier and faster ways of doing things?
burninfilm
10-24-2007, 11:55
Well, following the premise that human culture has the inherit need to evolve and progress, you might say that humans have always been developing ways to improve technology. However, if you look into actual anthropological data, you'll see that this notion is actually a folk model fabricated by intensive agricultural and industrial societes. If you want a slower paced life without the need for extensive labor, perhaps you could look into the lifestyles of pre-agricultural or foraging peoples?
And in all actuality, people have the ultimate buying power that dictates what capatilistic companies produce. Not the other way around. Sure, there might be what some consider "propaganda" by companies like Nikon, Canon, and yes, even Leica. In fact, if you want hardcore propaganda, just read the Leica website! Leica's tactics aren't any better than those of any other company. They are all trying to sell the consumer a product. Their tactic is persuasion, not brainwashing. It's just that Leica is producing products that the average consumer doesn't seem to like very well!
Now, I'll end this post so I can do something better than waste a few minutes of my life, discussing an issue that is in no way important to the lives of any one of us.
You mean like the box bownie and the Kodak ads of the day saying you press the button and we will do the rest? Well, the 20th century was like that. Exactly how far back in time do we have to go before we find cultures not looking for easier and faster ways of doing things?
Oh yes, and think of that a 100 ISO 35 film is roughly equivalent of 18 mega pixels, so why in the h*ll they have been selling us half products that have been there from 1950īs in a form of a film. Hype, hype. Is faster or easier = better? Not in my mind. Putts is right. I can take a Leica or what ever quality product that dates from 1930īs and make a picture you canīt say of how itīs been taken. Ok, whereīs the progress? 80 years and nothing? Why couldīt they first make it equal to film? People are so easely misslead by advertising.
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