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Looks like amazon.com have them on pre-order: http://www.amazon.com/Canon-40D-Digital-28-135mm-Standard/dp/tech-data/B000V5QV4S/ref=de_a_smtd/102-1503725-1505754?ie=UTF8&qid=1187518320&sr=8-14
SOme nice upgrades to the 20/d30 to :D
mfunnell
08-19-2007, 03:56
Looks like amazon.com have them on pre-order: http://www.amazon.com/Canon-40D-Digital-28-135mm-Standard/dp/tech-data/B000V5QV4S/ref=de_a_smtd/102-1503725-1505754?ie=UTF8&qid=1187518320&sr=8-14
SOme nice upgrades to the 20/d30 to :DI think the AF improvements might be enough to make me do it. For wildlife, esp. birds in flight, I need as much as I can get in that department. Now I need to re-work the photography budget:bang:
I'll not be an early-adopter this time, though. I think...
...Mike
Yep, I'm probably going for one after Christmas. I'll be getting a very nice pay check in December and now I know what to do with it! :)
Rumors are that Nikon is coming with a few new things on Friday, I'll be looking forward to that as well. Still haven't decided which brand to go for but I'm leaning heavily towards Canon...
jaffa_777
08-19-2007, 04:58
Well if it's on Friday, I hope Nikon is going to announce a full frame camera. I have been waiting for that for too long now!
anselwannab
08-19-2007, 05:20
IS the 14bit picture new?
Is the use of cross type sensors new for the AF points other than the center one?
Live Preview is interesting, but the "silent modes" are more intriuging.
Finally auto ISO
Nice price, but what is it with bundling it with a 28-135 lens, nice lens (no doubt) but to me that is definately a FF camera lens, especially as a kit lens. They must be able to crank these out like crazy for a cheap cost of something. The full frame 5D kit lens is a 24-105, go figure. Still, lookslike it might be $300 less than a comparable 200D, or is the real competitor the D80?
I guess this is where we are now, not really an earth shattering. I think the 20D when it came out was a category killer, and held that till the D200 came out. I was expecting a D200 killer, and I really just see something that can compete with it, and has some cool features. How long has the 10MP Rebel been out?
I'm looking for more resolution and less noise, but that's me.
The faster FPS just cements to me Canon two tier track. Each track has a FF high quality/resolution camera and a crop high-frame-count/sports camera. At the high end you have the 1DsII and the 1DIII, at the lower end you now have the 5D and the 40D.
My guess is the 1DsIII will come out soon near 20MP, and the 6D(?) will come next year with around 16mp.
Mark
mfunnell
08-19-2007, 05:23
My guess is the 1DsIII will come out soon near 20MPYou peeked :D http://www.amazon.com/Canon-1Ds-Mark-III-Digital/dp/tech-data/B000V5LX00/ref=de_a_smtd/104-3808773-1007162?ie=UTF8&qid=1187517273&sr=1-6
...Mike
IS the 14bit picture new?
Is the use of cross type sensors new for the AF points other than the center one?
Live Preview is interesting, but the "silent modes" are more intriuging.
Finally auto ISO
Nice price, but what is it with bundling it with a 28-135 lens, nice lens (no doubt) but to me that is definately a FF camera lens, especially as a kit lens. They must be able to crank these out like crazy for a cheap cost of something. The full frame 5D kit lens is a 24-105, go figure. Still, lookslike it might be $300 less than a comparable 200D, or is the real competitor the D80?
I guess this is where we are now, not really an earth shattering. I think the 20D when it came out was a category killer, and held that till the D200 came out. I was expecting a D200 killer, and I really just see something that can compete with it, and has some cool features. How long has the 10MP Rebel been out?
I'm looking for more resolution and less noise, but that's me.
The faster FPS just cements to me Canon two tier track. Each track has a FF high quality/resolution camera and a crop high-frame-count/sports camera. At the high end you have the 1DsII and the 1DIII, at the lower end you now have the 5D and the 40D.
My guess is the 1DsIII will come out soon near 20MP, and the 6D(?) will come next year with around 16mp.
Mark
Yes, the 14bit is new as is the cross type sensors. This thing has more in common with the 1D mk III than the 400d, so I'm hoping it will have similar noise/iso as the 1D mk III.
Also new is swapable focus screens, the standard one, one with grid lines and one optimised for manual focus *grin*
A worthwhile upgrade in my book
Quite interested myself as I have an aging 20D that is starting to fall apart (if you can believe it with that solid machine) from overuse. Frankly im more interested in a 5D or M8 myself.
"Two new EF-S lenses are launched today in conjunction with the EOS 40D"
both are kit-type cheapo IS lenses. looks like camera built in IS systems (in other camera makes) is forcing Canon also to make this tech more affordable for their customers ?
Weather/dust sealing and bigger viewfinder. I will be upgrading my 30d just for these 2 things.
Just read the article at dpreview, they addressed my wishes, bigger and brighter viewfinder! The rest is not so important for me :-)
If the VF is really close to that from the 1D, then I might safe a lot of money by not buying a 5D. I already have the superwide lenses to replace the wide lenses I would want to use :-)
anselwannab
08-20-2007, 04:28
Just read the article at dpreview, they addressed my wishes, bigger and brighter viewfinder! The rest is not so important for me :-)
If the VF is really close to that from the 1D, then I might safe a lot of money by not buying a 5D. I already have the superwide lenses to replace the wide lenses I would want to use :-)
The specs may be close to a 1D, but by the nature of having a smaller mirror, the 40D is still going to have a lot less nice VF then a 1Ds version. Yeah, it is an improvement, but since wouldn't you need near a 1.6x mag ratio on a crop camera to equal the image size of the 1Ds series, and then you'd be alot less bright? Just have fondled a 1Ds series, but I have a Canon F1N and I weep when I have to go back to the 20D viewfinder.
Interchangeable screens and a lot of other stuff, to me, make this the real 30D, while the 30D should have been the 20DmkII.
I really think that this is the camera Canon wanted to bring out when they brought out the 30D, but things just weren't ready yet. That and Canon seems to be taking the strategy of being the price leader. Slightly less camera for a lot less cash, especially when they first came out. (d200 vs 30D).
I've got 2MP-itis. If I get a 10MP 40D, I mine as well get a 12MP 5D. If I get a 5D, why not look for a nice used 1DsII.
Maybe I should just out and shoot more.
Mark
Just have fondled a 1Ds series, but I have a Canon F1N and I weep when I have to go back to the 20D viewfinder.
.....
I've got 2MP-itis. If I get a 10MP 40D, I mine as well get a 12MP 5D. If I get a 5D, why not look for a nice used 1DsII.
Yeah, but the 5d is sooooo expensive.
I have Contax SLRs, even from the "cheap" 167MT to a cropped EOS is hell for me. I once borrowed a friends EOS 3, that's what I would call a viewfinder. But I can live with the 1D MkII finder, that's standard PJ equipment here so I have ample opportunity to borrow them :)
Anyways, travel first, new body later! There are too many shots waiting for my Contax Gs. See? I can live with dim and small viewfinders :D
//ups.. there is point-n-shoot forum here, noticed only now.. deleted.
The 40D looks like it kicks ass.. Now all the reviews should compare the M8 to the 40D instead of the 5D.... even greater price/performance disparity..
The 40D looks like it kicks ass.. Now all the reviews should compare the M8 to the 40D instead of the 5D.... even greater price/performance disparity..
Don't stand up too fast, you may hit your head on the bridge.
Don't stand up too fast, you may hit your head on the bridge.
I don't understand.. I'm currently not underneath a bridge.
mickdoesclick
08-20-2007, 14:50
More info on DPReview: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07082010canoneos40d.asp
I have a 20D myself now. This is a super upgrade. Cant wait to play with in when it launches!
sweathog
08-20-2007, 15:00
Why Live View though? Pandering to the idiot market, IMO.
Still, I'd get one. Or rather I'd get a 30D cheap.
mfunnell
08-20-2007, 15:34
D3
- FX format (Full frame) 12Mpixel CMOS made by Nikon
etc.
You lead a rich fantasy life :D
Sony, however, is doing stuff:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07082012sony12mpcmos.asp
...Mike
Why Live View though? Pandering to the idiot market, IMO.
Still, I'd get one. Or rather I'd get a 30D cheap.
Why is it an idiot feature? I can see it useful with many applications where you don't have to stick your face to the viewfinder..
ZeissFan
08-20-2007, 16:39
I don't understand Canon's new kit lens -- 28-135, which with the 1.6X factor becomes a 44-216 lens. No wide angle at all. What's up with that?
Still waiting on a cheap full frame camera. For now the 20D will have to do.
keep hope alive.
Amazon bundles the 40D with the 18-55 IS.
What are these new EF-S lenses?
I JUST bought an XTi....
So It will be a while before I invest again in a new DSLR....Maybe in 3 years I will a buy a used 40D for $500.00...We'll see.
Or
Maybe I will sell my Canon EF and lens's + XTi to get a new one??? NAHHHHHH :rolleyes:
erikhaugsby
08-20-2007, 17:42
I don't understand Canon's new kit lens -- 28-135, which with the 1.6X factor becomes a 44-216 lens. No wide angle at all. What's up with that?
I think it's just a "preview" lens, if you will, to show what a non-sucky-kit-lens looks like. It's much like putting a 50/1.4 on any of the 1D* series bodies for advertisements, just have something there to look nicer than a throat of a lens mount.
I wonder how hard that 14-24/2.8 will hit your wallet, especially if it's not a DX lens.
Can't help to think that Nikon has forgotten the prosumer lens line somehow, Canon has a bunch of nice lenses which Nikon can't match. 17-55/2.8 IS is $200 cheaper than it's Nikon counterpart (which doesn't have VR). In Scandinavia the price difference is even bigger, almost $800. :eek: Where is that 70-200/4VR Nikon? 300/4VR? 85 AF-S?
sweathog
08-21-2007, 02:19
Why is it an idiot feature? I can see it useful with many applications where you don't have to stick your face to the viewfinder..
My biggest gripe (apart from it seeming to me to be an attempt to entice P&S users) is that is a function which is allowing the user to expose the sensor to all manner of stuff for prolonged periods of time. I've spoken to many people who consider the Live View something they'll never use.
Tom, the live view feature doesn't use the main sensor, it uses a second sensor placed in front of the shutter. CCD sensors don't allow a continous read-out but need the mechanical shutter to shield it when not actuated. CMOS sensors in P&S compacts are another story (different technology).
(I seriously doubt that I'll ever use it.)
I wonder how hard that 14-24/2.8 will hit your wallet, especially if it's not a DX lens.
Can't help to think that Nikon has forgotten the prosumer lens line somehow, Canon has a bunch of nice lenses which Nikon can't match. 17-55/2.8 IS is $200 cheaper than it's Nikon counterpart (which doesn't have VR). In Scandinavia the price difference is even bigger, almost $800. :eek: Where is that 70-200/4VR Nikon? 300/4VR? 85 AF-S?
Yes. I like nikon stuffs but for the same reason I moved from Nikon to Canon. Apart from the lenses you mentioned, canon is the only company that makes wide-angle fast primes (35 1.4, 24 1.4), and we rangefinder folks like fast primes!
Tom, the live view feature doesn't use the main sensor, it uses a second sensor placed in front of the shutter. CCD sensors don't allow a continous read-out but need the mechanical shutter to shield it when not actuated. CMOS sensors in P&S compacts are another story (different technology).
(I seriously doubt that I'll ever use it.)
Ummmm...... Ummmmm.... The live view DOES use the main sensor.... Yeaaahhhhhh
Okay guys, you're so missing the main point of live view. Here's a perspective of live view from a pro:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/1752
" When I first heard of the Canon EOS 1D Mark III - the feature that immediately caught my attention was the "Live View" feature implemented in its release. The new body has many new features and improvements over the 1D Mark IIN - but none with as much potential to change remote photography as the Live View feature when combined with the WFT-E2 A WIFI transmitter that allows you to see through the camera's lens, change most exposure and camera settings from your laptop, and also critically focus any lens at 10X magnification anywhere on the image - not to mention of course fire the camera. "
Another one: http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-8738-8908-8948
I forget that this is RF fourm.. high tech and new ways of thinking such as live view probably doesn't appeal to most people here. It's an optical viewfinder + 1.5x magnifier for us or nothing!
sweathog
08-21-2007, 05:18
Tom, the live view feature doesn't use the main sensor, it uses a second sensor placed in front of the shutter. CCD sensors don't allow a continous read-out but need the mechanical shutter to shield it when not actuated. CMOS sensors in P&S compacts are another story (different technology).
(I seriously doubt that I'll ever use it.)
Ok, I just assumed it was a similar system to the E510 which (as far as what I've read) works by raising the mirror.
Okay guys, you're missing the main point of live view. Here's a perspective of live vie from a pro:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/1752
" When I first heard of the Canon EOS 1D Mark III - the feature that immediately caught my attention was the "Live View" feature implemented in its release. The new body has many new features and improvements over the 1D Mark IIN - but none with as much potential to change remote photography as the Live View feature when combined with the WFT-E2 A WIFI transmitter that allows you to see through the camera's lens, change most exposure and camera settings from your laptop, and also critically focus any lens at 10X magnification anywhere on the image - not to mention of course fire the camera. "
Another one: http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/mul...8738-8908-8948 (http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-8738-8908-8948)
I forgets that this is RF fourm.. high tech and new ways of thinking like live view probably doesn't appeal to most people here. It's an optical viewfinder + 1.5x magnifier for us or nothing!
I can see where you're coming from, but realistically, how many people would use it under that application? I'm not trying to belligerent, I had not considered that angle, but I can see it as being fairly niche... I don't think that we're as backward as you are saying, I personally just prefer older kit, but quite happily accet newer (digital) innovations.
erikhaugsby
08-21-2007, 05:25
I forget that this is RF fourm..
A fact that isn't lost on many of us.
Ok, I just assumed it was a similar system to the E510 which (as far as what I've read) works by raising the mirror.
I can see where you're coming from, but realistically, how many people would use it under that application? I'm not trying to belligerent, I had not considered that angle, but I can see it as being fairly niche... I don't think that we're as backward as you are saying, I personally just prefer older kit, but quite happily accet newer (digital) innovations.
Well I can see myself taking a shot at ground level with the camera pointed up at the model. You can imagine how difficult it would be to see thru the viewfinder at that position..
Or say if I'm covering the free dance at a wedding reception, and there's a huge crowd around the wedding couple, I stretch my arm up and out over the crowd to point at the couple's general direction and take a few shots. Without live view, it's point and snap and pray and chimp afterwards to see if got the shot. With live view, you can check out the composition on the LCD before you press the shutter.
Al Patterson
08-21-2007, 06:09
I do find it interesting that the discussion on DSLReXchange has fewer message than the one on RFF.
Well I can see myself taking a shot at ground level with the camera pointed up at the model. You can imagine how difficult it would be to see thru the viewfinder at that position..
Or say if I'm covering the free dance at a wedding reception, and there's a huge crowd around the wedding couple, I stretch my arm up and out over the crowd to point at the couple's general direction and take a few shots. Without live view, it's point and snap and pray and chimp afterwards to see if got the shot. With live view, you can check out the composition on the LCD before you press the shutter.
With a fixed screen? Remember, no tilt and swivel screen on the Canon dSLRs!
On a tripod as an focusing aid, maybe tethered to a computer, that's where I see an advantage.
Holding the camera over ones head or lying on the ground the screen won't be that much of an advantage, if at all.
With a fixed screen? Remember, no tilt and swivel screen on the Canon dSLRs!
On a tripod as an focusing aid, maybe tethered to a computer, that's where I see an advantage.
Holding the camera over ones head or lying on the ground the screen won't be that much of an advantage, if at all.
I do agree that a tilt+swivel screen like on the olympus DSLR would be very useful. Too bad that camera is no good otherwise.
However, you don't need a direct view of the LCD to make it useful.. an off-angle view of the LCD is all one need to check for composition. (not talking about using the LCD to focus)
lying on the ground viewing the screen, even if it's off angle is much improved over the traditional viewfinder method where I can't even get my face behind the camera.
sweathog
08-21-2007, 07:48
However, you don't need a direct view of the LCD to make it useful.. an off-angle view of the LCD is all one need to check for composition. (not talking about using the LCD to focus)
Assuming there's no reflection...
However, you don't need a direct view of the LCD to make it useful.. an off-angle view of the LCD is all one need to check for composition. (not talking about using the LCD to focus)
It's better than nothing, but I don't think it would help me much.
I shot this with a 60d held far over my head and used the AF assist from the 420ex flash as a "target acquisition device", the DJ had his workplace some 7 feet over the dancefloor.
http://beaumont.hett.org/files/0001/olli0600.jpg
Composition is not too far off, I think I'm better now than I was then. One thing which I learned with rangefinders, know your lens :D
Socke: all you needed to do was to extend your arm out in front of you by half feet or so and you'll have enough room to view the LCD..
Shot these while holding the camera up and out in front of me.. For these shots, the fixed rear LCD with live view could definitely have helped..
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/230/449137427_c8b775c5c1_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/208/449137887_9365057e82_o.jpg
Yes, I think it would help, but not as much as the tilt and swivel screen on a Powershot G. The live view on the Canon 1D MkIII and now the D40 is not an important feature for me, nice to have and I might find a use for it, but nothing for which I would shell out the money :)
P.S.: and you do just fine without it, too!
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