Paranoia

[traveller]

I like this kind of logic and don't think it only happens in the US :bang:

Article (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/rawfisher/2007/07/secret_buildings_you_may_not_p.html)

Hope it has not been posted before

[steamer]

Until not so long ago one would expect this kind of thing could only happen in communist countries, but since Americans have allowed the constitution to be trampled on we have to expect this to happen in the U.S.

[Steve Bellayr]

"We do not post the violations of law. We inform you after the arrest." If you have been watching the news in America...Duh.

[cmogi10]

Well, a security officer tried to confiscate my film, (only after realizing I couldn't delete the pictures on my M6, and also commented how digital cameras were cheap now and even I could probably afford one, thanks sir!) at a local mall. When I asked why the only response was because of 9/11 no cameras are allowed inside the mall.

I told him I would kindly make him a copy of the prints when they were developed, I thought he might get a kick out of it, apperently not.

[Dfin]

Just say, You can get anything you want at Alice`s Restaurant, and walk out. They`ll think you`re mad as a hatter and won`t bother you.

[rpsawin]

This reminds me of another incident that occured shortly after 9/11. A photographer in Denver was shooting some architectural shots of an historic hotel. He was suddenly swarmed by secret service agaents who wrestled him to the ground, seized all his equipment and then held/questioned him for several hours. As it turned out "Dick" Chenney was staying in the hotel (remember the top officials rotated around the country for awhile) and the photographer was accused of violating national security. His equipment was vouchered but a year later had not been returned. I have not seen an update for some time but it is ridiculous that the incident occured in the first place.! I could see the s.s. (yeah, we have an s.s. too) demanding the film and sending the guy on his way, but past that is an attack on the man's civil liberties.

Bob

[colyn]

This reminds me of another incident that occured shortly after 9/11. A photographer in Denver was shooting some architectural shots of an historic hotel. He was suddenly swarmed by secret service agaents who wrestled him to the ground, seized all his equipment and then held/questioned him for several hours. As it turned out "Dick" Chenney was staying in the hotel (remember the top officials rotated around the country for awhile) and the photographer was accused of violating national security. His equipment was vouchered but a year later had not been returned. I have not seen an update for some time but it is ridiculous that the incident occured in the first place.! I could see the s.s. (yeah, we have an s.s. too) demanding the film and sending the guy on his way, but past that is an attack on the man's civil liberties.

Bob


There were a lot of unsubstantiated rumors like this after 9/11.

Do you have a news report or other reference to the actual event?

[reagan]

If you have been watching the news...Yeah, lots of important stuff there. Last night I learned that a teenie-bopper in Hollywood got stoned and that bottled water comes from a faucet. Talk about your shock-n'-awe... real cutting edge stuff. And the real scoop... "Does NASA Have a Drinkng Problem?" I'm tellin' ya boys, I was on the edge of my seat.

[gb hill]

Here is what happened to photographer Bill Emory. Even has the audio.


http://www.billemory.com/NOTES/pocket%20litter.html

[toyotadesigner]

Yup, too many bad nuts in the US administration. As well as in the German administration.

As much as I would like to travel for 3 months to the US (hey folks, I would bring money to spend!), I decided against it after reading - among others - about the permits you need in LA and San Francisco, public places, parks etc etc.

Appears to me some nuts have declared a camera to be the top notch terrorist tool. Just try to get rid of them, send them to Sibiria with a one way ticket.

I don't have the feeling of being safe any more in the US. Too much arbitrariness. Before 9/11 it was a beautiful country with nice people. But it changed too much for me.

So I'll spend my time and money in Asturias, Atlantic coast of Spain. Different kind of nature beauty, but not so many lunatics with black suits and hats running around there :D

BTW, ever tried to enter or re-enter the US after 9/11? As a foreigner? Knowing that any officer can force you to return home? This is a copy of the gateway to hell, but not to the largest democracy on this globe :eek:

I really hope the situation will change considerably after Emperor Bush left his chair...

[sepiareverb]

We should all read the Photographers Right and have the basic rules in our heads. There is NO WAY I'd have film pulled from my camera by a cop or security officer. Intimidation by our governments can't be allowed in any form- that's a slippery slope.

http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm

[colyn]

We should all read the Photographers Right and have the basic rules in our heads. There is NO WAY I'd have film pulled from my camera by a cop or security officer. Intimidation by our governments can't be allowed in any form- that's a slippery slope.

http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm

If the truth be known most of the problems photographers have are from rent-a-cops. Most real police know the law regarding photographers rights.

[sepiareverb]

And yes I realize I'm posting from and shooting in a country where there is little or no chance I'd actually get hurt or killed by the police for photographing- there are many places in the world where I would indeed hand over the film or even the cameras rather than risk injury or worse. I certainly didn't mean to imply otherwise.

[cmogi10]

I've never been harrassed by the real cops, usually I get a smile and a nod. Only the rent-a-cops who feel the need to try to confiscate my gear and film and climb all over me for taking a picture.

Thanks for the link to the photographers rights, I'm going to print a couple copies and keep them in my bag.

[rpsawin]

There were a lot of unsubstantiated rumors like this after 9/11.

Do you have a news report or other reference to the actual event?

At one point I did have the link to the newspaper article but have apparently deleted it when old e-mail was purged. So I do not have the article to "substantiate" this "rumor".

Bob

[rpsawin]

If the truth be known most of the problems photographers have are from rent-a-cops. Most real police know the law regarding photographers rights.

Now I'm going to ask you to substantiate that Colyn. That does not square up with the experience of most people who have been stopped and questioned by them.

Bob