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Do you believe this?
Fed 6 ttl on Ebay (http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3873717237&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT)
The seller has good feedback, but the pictures are not original:
Same pictures here (http://members.tripod.com/~antiquarius/rare1.html)
Would you risk bidding on this?
Wim
sockeyed
02-17-2005, 13:58
Well, I certainly did hear that prototype Fed 6's were made prior to now, so this might just be a shot at a very rare FSU camera! The guy has high positive feedback, too.
Interesting...
wlewisiii
02-17-2005, 14:01
Huh, pretty wild.
If I had the spare $$$ I'd snag it. If nothing else, it certainly is a more hansome camera than the Fed 5.
William
Of course, there's always the possibility that the ad was listed by the same guy who had a "Leica M-6 SLR" for sale. On that one, I went on the "Ask seller a question" and informed him that no "M" Leica is an SLR. Woops!
No wonder so many of those eBay ads say something like "I don't know much about cameras, and I don't know how to operate this one."
There was another recent case of a "Leica II", and I forget the sub-letter. But the photo clearly showed a slow-speed dial. Nah, that's a III, guy. (Yes, I know the factory used to update models, but do you believe the serial number or the evidence at hand????)
Krasnaya_Zvezda
02-17-2005, 15:46
Princelle, Second Edition, lists no such camera.
I have bought from the seller and he is OK. No communication though.
wlewisiii
02-17-2005, 16:30
Thing is that it really doesn't look like anything to have been faked up from. OTOH, I'm not especially familier with the LTM FSU cameras. I'm inclined to believe it was a real prototype. I'm just glad it isn't a Kiev 6 TTL prototype... :eek: :bang: :eek:
William
wierdcollector
02-17-2005, 16:46
Looks like a Fed 5B with Zenit TTL lettering and an added rubber grip. Nice touch, black paint, but 99.9999 % chance it's not a real version of any production Fed I've ever seen or heard of, sorry.
Hmmm... the ebay ad says only 3 were made, and that one is #3. The other site seems to indicate that it's #5.
K-Z,
I hate to disagree but Princelle's book does mention it. No picture but he says something like"search the web" I will look for the reference when I get home and let you know the page#, etc. I think it's towards the end of the FED article.
Rob
I don't doubt a Fed 6 ttl excists or that these are photos of one. I just doubt that he really has one for sale. Most of his sales show original pics of the cameras he's selling and the ones on this auction don't seem original.
Wim
Indeed a Kiev TTL was made, and yesterday, while giving Princelle 2nd a read, I found a metered Zarya that had a similar meter readout window in the camera back. Also the logo looks like a modernized Fed one. Could be real.
But that's still a grand for a Fed... :)
Well, it went for 1325 USD, or about 70 Fed 5's... A bit above my budget. I hope the buyer receives what he expects and posts some information about it somewhere. The buyer seems to be a serious collector of FSU-gear.
Wim
wlewisiii
02-18-2005, 04:45
I was just reading over at Best Stuff and Bob Shell mentioned seeing it at the Internation German Photo Expo in 2000, so they do exist.
Hey, Taffer, what model did they base the TTL Kiev on?
William
Krasnaya_Zvezda
02-18-2005, 05:42
K-Z,
I hate to disagree but Princelle's book does mention it. No picture but he says something like"search the web" I will look for the reference when I get home and let you know the page#, etc. I think it's towards the end of the FED article.
Rob
Thanks, Rob. I should have looked more thoroughly, I just looked at the photos and the "history chart" or whatever they call it.
I was just reading over at Best Stuff and Bob Shell mentioned seeing it at the Internation German Photo Expo in 2000, so they do exist.
Hey, Taffer, what model did they base the TTL Kiev on?
William
William, seems it was based on the Kiev 4. The metering system used 2 selenium cells that retracted during exposure time (a-la Leica CL/M5). Same lens mount as the Kiev 5.
PS: If this goes against the copyright I'll delete the image asap, but probably this will make William order a copy of Princelle 2nd, so... :)
wlewisiii
02-18-2005, 09:53
Drool. I wonder if the guts from a VC Meter II would fit into the Kiev 5 case? Then cut the top down a bit lower... :bang: :eek: :bang:
You're right about the book. It's on my list to get asap.
William
nwcanonman
02-18-2005, 10:02
Well, it went for 1325 USD, or about 70 Fed 5's... A bit above my budget. I hope the buyer receives what he expects and posts some information about it somewhere. The buyer seems to be a serious collector of FSU-gear.
Wim
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I could buy a regular FED and a nice lightmeter, and still have $ for 2 years of film for what that cost! :)
xayraa33
02-18-2005, 12:07
Wow, that new Fed is worth the price ,just to have a newish Fed with strap lugs!
Well, it went for 1325 USD, or about 70 Fed 5's... A bit above my budget. I hope the buyer receives what he expects and posts some information about it somewhere. The buyer seems to be a serious collector of FSU-gear.
Wim
The buyer has posted over on the Best Stuff Russian Camera Forum. Hopefully he'll give us all a detailed run-down and pictures once he's actually in posession of it. Should be interesting.
Walker
John Robertson
02-18-2005, 17:14
Princelle is not infallible! You wont find this one in his book either!!
The Kadr was interchangeable lens leaf shutter RF
http://www.zenit.istra.ru/archive/kadr/index.html
Shown at Brussels in 1958
The buyer has promised to post pics of and from the FED 6 TTL, as well as the documents he won with it, on the Beststuff forum; meanwhile, there seem to be 2 more of these for sale, one of them was offered to another Beststuff member who was a low bidder on the first one.
John,
that Kadr sure looks nice - do you know what became of it? Did it ever go into production?
Roman
John Robertson
02-19-2005, 16:02
Sorry Roman, the KMZ official site gives no indication of what happened or where the prototypes went, no doubt they'll appear on ebay some time!!! Meanwhile here is a translation of what it says about the camera. KADR means to frame.
Practically unknown design of small-sized rangefinder camera with central interlens shutter and interchangeable optics. Regular objective - version of Helios -44 (2/58). In addition to regular, it was planned to have three interchangeable lenses: 2,8/37 (most probably - the version of Mir -1); 3,5/80; 5,6/115. Shutter speeds: the camera had from 1 to 1/800 seconds and B: the combined with the viewfinder range-finder, the system of an automatic change of the field of sight in the dependent on the fitted objective (three positions - most probably to the field-of-view angles of objectives into 58, 80 and 115 mm), synchronisation with the flash bulbs (cable connection), double exposure prevention the self – resetting frame counter and removable back. Project in the form of advertising materials, it is traditional - without any indication of manufacturing concern, it was represented on the world exhibition in Brussels 1958. Project is interesting by the selection of objectives with the specially designed interlens shutter with the broad range of speeds The declared regular objective of camera sequence - Helios -44 has large rear apical focal length and was projected for the application in the SLR cameras (working the distance of the version of Helios -44 for the camera start it is 42 mm).
Cover of the advertising prospectus, prepared to the world exhibition 1958 in Brussels
Looks as though it could have been a nice camera!! ah well c'est la vie!!
With those features it would probably have been to expensive to justify production in the Soviet Union...
Roman
John Robertson
02-20-2005, 05:13
The nearest thing is a camera outfit I owned up till a few years ago and now bitterly regret parting with. My East German Zeiss Werra 3 with its three lenses. 50mm Zeiss Tessar 2.8, 35mm Zeiss Flekagon and 100 Zeiss Cardinar. Coupled R/F shutter speeds 1 - 1/750, and frames in the v/f. A lovely camera, the only cameras which Zeiss themselves produced in Jena after the war.
Hey, I have got a Werra Matic (first type) with exchangeable lenses option - unfortunately, I only have the 50mm Tessar for it a nice camera indeed, on mine even the selenium cell meter still works...
Roman
I know the seller. I have bought a lot of cameras from him and his wife's brother. (I have bought more than 250 cameras.) He told me about the camera, but I don't have money to buy it. He has also mail some pciture to me. Maybe some one will be interesting. Here... http://Rusrf.biz or http://rusrf.biz/modules/xcgal/thumbnails.php?album=27 (sorry.. in tradition Chinese)
Hi.
I have one of this cameras. Fed 6.
I hear only some of was made.
I'm iteresting, how match this camera can cost today?
Is somebody know?
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