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Nachkebia
03-21-2007, 08:06
Oh no! please don`t get into music stuff! you rich and bold! :D :D
Note - I posted my comment without reading Magus`s one :D
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Nachkebia
03-21-2007, 08:11
Why everybody has to be in better condition than me? (except the guy who bought 4 zeiss ikons and all of them had problems, also someone water flood his apartment :D )I am already getting bold and I don`t see me getting well-off! well I still have dragons snapping...:D
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Magus, I think that must have been a Debbie Harry solo project, as I can't find it on my Blondie discography.
Helpfully, Ian ;)
Respect!!
:D
At the beginning of 2006, prior to my photo GAS binge, I had a mini-audio GAS binge. When the dust settled and all the boxes were unpacked I had acquired:
Rebuilt DUAL 1249 turntable
Rebuilt Dynaco PAS 3 preamplifier with OEM Telefunken long plate 12AX7 tubes
Rebuilt Dynaco ST-70 amplifier with quads of both Mullard and Marshall EL34 tubes
New Definitive Technology powered monitors
Oh boy! My meager vinyl collection accumulated over 30+ years sounded better than ever. My even more meager CD collection sounded better than they ever had through my Yamaha receiver, which I still use for it's tuner section.
Not even close to audiophile quality, but my old stuff sounds nice to my ears.
By way of making up for my earlier funny, I wonder if I could ask an entirely serious question? As people who value sound quality and thus the closest possible representation of the performance, where would you stand on musical authenticity - on performers who attempt to recreate the original, contemporary sound of a work, perhaps using less sophisticated instruments or technique?
I have mixed views on this, having sat through inauthentic authenticity and tepid modernisations of various works. Musicians I know have been yet more sharply divided. It occurs to me that in some sense the quest for musical authenticity is similar to the pursuit of the classic look in RF photography and I would be interested to know how you view such attempts.
All the best, Ian
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It occurs to me that in some sense the quest for musical authenticity is similar to the pursuit of the classic look in RF photography and I would be interested to know how you view such attempts.
Ian, so to extend your analogy, is a sensational hair-raising Beethoven from Fürtwangler or Kleiber a Velvia 50 slide or an over-processed digital file?
:)
Ian, so to extend your analogy, is a sensational hair-raising Beethoven from Fürtwangler or Kleiber a Velvia 50 slide or an over-processed digital file?
:)
Well, Nick, that I couldn't say :) I was actually thinking of two things. I have an interest in renaissance literature. A few years ago I attended a concert of songs from Shakespeares' plays. My friends and I sat with gaping jaws - the performance, by an apparently distinguished group, was the worse sort of victorian chamber music - on the rare occasions when it wasn't a Barbershop version of the King Singers. You just knew this was not how the songs were supposed to be. Equally I've attended the most hilariously "authentic" folk performances, which verged on vicious satire :)
But... I think that part of the joy in using - say - screwmount Leicas lies in precisely the "authenticity" of the experience. If I load up with 25 ISO B&W film I feel like Paul Wollf - and I want to take pictures like Paul Wollf, not slick or razor sharp like some modern digital, but true to the inspiration, the tradition of a particular type of photography and photographic instrument. My question was simply "do people who value perfect sound seek a technically impeccable performance, or the authenticity which perhaps gets nearer to the original experience of the piece?".
All the best, Ian
When people talk about hair-raising Beethoven from Fürtwangler I think about his wartime recordings of several of the symphonies, particularly #9 from 1942. For obvious reasons recordings from that time and place are morally problematic to many people. But the equivalent in photography, to me, would be Capa's images from Omaha beach or the one of the Spanish loyalist cut down by gunfire - the focus is blurry like Fürtwangler's recorded sound, but the message is unforgettably intense in either case.
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Sorry - I cut and pasted without thinking because I don't know how to make an umlaut.
Gabriel M.A.
03-21-2007, 11:49
RLMAOF
Oh, my. Yes, I don't like that Classical adjective to mean anything before Haley and The Comets; some people even include Gershwin and Joplin (which I like, just not that much) in the pseudo-genre. That's why I say "classical" when referring to the marketing genre (how did Bo Derek say in 10? "oh, that music with lots of violins in it!"; it was Bo Derek, wasn't it?)
Reading and looking at your systems, I feel "normal". I thought four Bose speakers, an amplifier and an equalizer were too much for my not-so-big place.
One day, I'll upgrade back to vacuum tubes. First, I need to figure out what to do about these student loans! Sixteen tons, what do you get, another day over and Sallie Mae's writing "pay me!"
Gabriel M.A.
03-21-2007, 11:51
Sorry - I cut and pasted without thinking because I don't know how to make an umlaut.
Just add an "e" next to the vowel that's supposed to have the umlaut.
Like Voigtländer -> Voigtlaender.
Sorry - I cut and pasted without thinking because I don't know how to make an umlaut.
You can't make an umlaut without breaking eg...
I'm sorry. I'll go away :(
Ianxxx
Gabriel M.A.
03-21-2007, 11:58
Well, you have the gear, so put it to the test:
If you can get a copy (it's a CD, sorry) of Beethoven's 9th Symphony, conducted by Christoph von Dohnányi. Telarc.
It was recorded during the shaky years of digital recording, but this gave "digital" hope. But the interpretation is superb, and you can hear every single section of the orchestra, including the chorus; unlike with Herbert von Karajan's recordings, where they're sent to the kitchen to sing from there.
Lastly, Bach's keyboard works are wonderful on the harpsichord and even on the clavichord, but this one's musical mind was so many light-years anon, that it can be played on anvils let alone the modern pianoforte and will yet still tease out the goose-pimples...
Bach. Das Wohltemperierte Klavier. Richter.
I know what you mean.
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I like tubes.
http://www.stuartrichardson.com/premier-140.jpg
For music, I listen to a lot of modern stuff, but I am also a big fan of classical music. I lean more towards chamber music than symphonies. My favorites are Bach for his cello suites, the well-tempered clavier and most of his secular music (though his masses are great as well); I love Shostakovich, particularly his later string quartets (8 and up, but especially 8 and 15) and the sonata from op 134. I have a vinyl of him playing his preludes and fugues which is superb. I also love Debussy, Ravel, Bartok's quartets and Kodaly's sonata for cello and his duo for cello and piano...the Starker and Josef Gingold recording is magnificent.
mfunnell
03-22-2007, 22:26
I stopped my buying frenzy over ten years ago, when they started churning out a lot of that "period instrument" crap {...} with their tortured cat tuning {...} Not all of it is "cat tuning" :) I'm no expert, but family friend Jane Gower (a quick google turned up this (http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/performer/Gower,+Jane/a/Jane+Gower.htm) for example) maintains with some very audible evidence that music written for the bassoon, back in the day, sounds a lot better on the instruments of the day than on the modern bassoon (and sounds good in an absolute sense as well).
...Mike
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NIKON KIU
03-23-2007, 09:12
OK...you guys made me say it...I USEd TO BE A DJ!!!
Kiu
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