View Full Version : Oh no!!
I'm down a Leica!
Brian will be sending me a cheque very soon for the IIIc, so it will be returning from whence it came! Early/Mid-October I received the camera, so Early/Mid-February it goes. Only an extended holiday with me I guess.
Anyway I'm sad to see it go, but I still have the Contax II and I still have the Leica Standard.
Now for the bad news! I want a Leica M!!
Am I mad?!
I'll have a little over 2 tons once the IIIc has disappears, and I saw a user M2 for sale from a dealer for £365. I know, same cashflow problem I had with the CRR thing, but one less Leica!
I can hopefully raise up to 3ton without too much crying, but I really ought to have a job I think!
So, Oh No!!
If only Clarence had waited an extra hour or two, I'd be the proud owner of a CL, but instead I'm the proud owner of a headache over what camera my cash is to be saved for!
dazedgonebye
02-14-2007, 05:39
Is there a pill for GAS?
Is there a pill for GAS?
I hear cyanide works.
Short of that, you need to find religion.
;)
Diggin99
02-14-2007, 06:27
Keh has a BGN CL, you could call them and ask about it!
Call from the UK? No thanks! :)
I'm looking to buy within Europe. Once you add the cost of tax and shipping, there isn't much to be saved from buying outside the country.
Don't get a CL Ash ... they're 'dinky' compared to an M. I picked up a user M2 for $500.00 Australian a while ago ... it still needs a CLA yet but Youxin only charges $100.00 for that and then it will be my spare to go with the really nice one I picked up recently ... courtesy of Roland's constant perusing of eBay!
I think you would really 'click' with an M2 because you seem to like the 35mm focal length ... "May The Force Be With You." :p
Hey Keith, I'm getting pm's from all over the place with people tryin to sell me CL's!!
I do love 35mm, but I'm enjoying 50mm for portraits on RF. It's in my comfort zone ;)
Kim Coxon
02-14-2007, 07:01
The M2 has frame lines for the 50 as well. ;)
Kim
Hey Keith, I'm getting pm's from all over the place with people tryin to sell me CL's!!
I do love 35mm, but I'm enjoying 50mm for portraits on RF. It's in my comfort zone ;)
Thank goodness for that. And there was me thinking I'd need a new array of lenses Kim :D
Now for the bad news! I want a Leica M!!
Am I mad?!
If you are mad, you're no madder than just about everyone else around here :D
If you want an M, you go for it - and good luck to you!
Huh! ..... avatars seem to be changing daily around here. Explain yourself Ash! :eek:
Well I was being put off everytime I saw myself staring at me, so I thought Fid would be a better avatar ;)
back alley
02-14-2007, 07:23
...but I really ought to have a job I think!
is unemployment high in england now?
joe
EDIT: Potentially volatile statement.. please ignore me if you read it!
dazedgonebye
02-14-2007, 07:28
EDIT: Potentially volatile statement.. please ignore me if you read it!
In light of that edit, I guess my advice to fake an accent won't mean much. :angel:
charjohncarter
02-14-2007, 07:33
Get the M2.
back alley
02-14-2007, 07:35
EDIT: Potentially volatile statement.. please ignore me if you read it!
???????????
In light of that edit, I guess my advice to fake an accent won't mean much. :angel:
LOL !
back alley
02-14-2007, 07:58
no answer for me?
fine, i'll check it out the net.
Sorry Joe I missed your post. I had written about the 'equal opportunities' in the UK providing a less than equal standpoint for many. The bias going against the grain. But that's talking in riddles, I daren't re-write what I had.
I've been offered a CL in DAG-cla'd condition with manual, strap, etc... for just about my current budget. After I purchase the LTM-M adapter I'll be tapped, but I'm not thinking about that right now :D
Am I going to be disappointed with the CL? Are the claims of poor focus with fast lenses going to be a problem with a Canon 50/1.8 ltm or a Summicron 50/2 coll LTM? Will I be able to collapse the Summi into the CL? It hardly collapses much.
Are there any problems I'll encounter using a LTM-M adapter?
Ash, you should just buy an M. That's obviously what you really want. Save up for a while if necessary, but I can't see the point buying something just because it's available, if it isn't exactly what you want.
Ian
dazedgonebye
02-14-2007, 08:38
I'd have to agree that you should save and get the M. That's not from any experience I have with any of these cameras, just from my extensive experience churning my gear.
You know what you want. Save your money a bit longer and get it.
The CL is a great little pocket camera. Lots of things going for it. Particularly one that's already had a CLA. And you should have no problem focusing a 50/2.0 or even 50/1.8 lens with it. However, as others point out, if you're really desirous of a Leica M, then I agree you should wait. Otherwise, you'll just be going through this drill again soon. Just my $.02 worth...
-Randy
Ash
Leitz (in '74) indicated that you needed a dynotape section stuck on the barrel of collapsibles and indicated the thickness to cut the dyno tape to.
I forgotten the number for the cron.
I'll see if I can find it.
Noel
back alley
02-14-2007, 08:45
the little cl is a great camera but best as a second or back up camera, i think.
bite the bullet and save for an m2 or m3 and never need to worry again.
joe
Us old guys like nothing better than telling young guys to be patient! :)
Get an M2, Ash.
I think it's more that I'm gonna be biting the bullet and telling Paul the mob has spoken?
Damn, and to think I could have had the CL by the weekend maybe, probably monday or tuesday...
It's up to you Ash. What do YOU want? Do you want a CL, or do you want an M2?
C'mon Frank, what a silly question!
I want both :D
back alley
02-14-2007, 09:07
hey ash, nice cat avatar!
Well, if you want both and you can get the CL now and you think it's agood deal, then buy it and get the M-whatever later.
hey ash, nice cat avatar!\
Hey Joe, how do you block users on here? :D
Frank, I think it's a GAS attack more than anything. Having read how short that baselength is, especially compared to a Contax, I can't really justify it, no matter how Chic it is!
Having read how short that baselength is, especially compared to a Contax, I can't really justify it, no matter how Chic it is!
My CL is chic? Oh, no!
moreso than the rest of my sig ;)
Brian Sweeney
02-14-2007, 10:05
Am I going to be disappointed with the CL? Are the claims of poor focus with fast lenses going to be a problem with a Canon 50/1.8 ltm or a Summicron 50/2 coll LTM? Will I be able to collapse the Summi into the CL? It hardly collapses much.
Are there any problems I'll encounter using a LTM-M adapter?
I use the Canon 50 F1.5 with my CL, on a Leitz adapter. Works for me. I have no problem with the focus on either the 50/1.5 wide open for the Tele-Elmarit 90/2.8 wide-open.
It is a nice camera. The Canon lens will fit into the pouch case. The 50/1.8 is slightly bigger than the 50/1.5, but you will not have any trouble.
The hell with Patience. By them now, enjoy them as long as you can. I would have bought the M3 and M2 a long time ago if I knew they were so nice.
Have you seen both cameras? I'm coming to Bristol for a week from tomorrow; if you can get into town you can put a roll through my M6 and have a look at a knackered CL. I might even have a Rollei before I leave town...
Tolm
Tom, that will make things more difficult! I'll be at the RFF meet on sunday, so if you're going then we could have a chat then. I won't afford an M6 for a loooong time however!
don't tempt me bout those damned rollei 35's! I could buy one for £100 today, but I gotta resist :D
Ash
You have me worried I've only sold two cameras in the last five years, both were digital and cheap.
So you dont have GAS you have BASS (Buy And Sell Syndrome) you seem to be as bad as Joe (Back Alley). I have GAS, the guys at work caught me taking empty cardboard boxes from work and said 'You want these for storing cameras in don't you...'
Noel
Brian Sweeney
02-14-2007, 10:23
That's funny. I cleaned my room yesterday and filled three boxes with cameras. A box of Parts Retina's, box of inexpensive SLR's with lenses, box of FSU cameras.
And I have SIX lenses coming in.
Yea I blame the working in a secondhand shop. That, and wanting to try everything under the sun (other than drugs ;) )
back alley
02-14-2007, 10:47
you seem to be as bad as Joe (Back Alley).
such harsh judgement...
i used to do the same with women, would you like a count ?
;)
Tom, that will make things more difficult! I'll be at the RFF meet on sunday, so if you're going then we could have a chat then. I won't afford an M6 for a loooong time however!
don't tempt me bout those damned rollei 35's! I could buy one for £100 today, but I gotta resist :D
Heh - you would be fine; the M2 and 3 are NICER than the 6 so don't worry about that. Sadly I'm not heading up to London until a few days too late for Chinese New Year, but I'll be around Bristol just to walk the streets with a camera on Friday and probably Monday as well.
And the Rollei, if it appears, will be a 2.8e!
Tom
Joe, You used to buy and sell women?!
Tom, good choice :D
If I can make it to Bristol I'll give you a shout. I may be available monday for a photo-venture :)
Joe
Eventually my friends got fed up with matchmaking and started to playing a record (black vinyl then) from the past about beauiful stangers in a queue...
I tend to buy at the same rate as you and Ash but retain, hence the cardboard boxes, I need to keep Palm) PDA records of which cameras have which film in them, if you gotta palm I'll send the shortcuts, so I'm bad, not harsh.
Noel
I just started using a Tungsten T5, over a Palm 5 or whatever I had before. Gotta remember to get the Massive Dev Chart and spreadsheets on it.
Pherdinand
02-14-2007, 11:38
Ash, i got a M2 for about euro425 (from europe...no tax, low shipping cost) from a forum member here. There are good deals ouyt there, just don't rush.
Oh and the M2 was serviced a year ago or two, and it works all fine.So no extra costs (besides the bunch of film and developer I just bought from freestyle).
NIKON KIU
02-14-2007, 11:39
Ash,
Do NOT listen to these Leica Freaks around here...you do NOT need an M2 or M3.
Listen to a Nikon freak.
I know exactly what you need and its a Nikon S2!!
Think about it..a meterless pure camera with lines for a 50...
Tell him joe...how many Leica CLs does it take to mature to a Nikon S2??
Kiu:p
Yo Nikon Kiu, how many M2's can I buy for the cost of a Nikon? :D
Ash
We have done this before Robert White has a S3 new at 1.9k.
Noel
jesse1dog
02-14-2007, 11:44
Hi Ash
You looked at the Bessas?
Noel - that's my point ;)
J - I'm not all that keen on bessa's. The built quality isn't really comparable
Ash
Nikons seem to be cheaper the other side of the pond. Kiu probably does not realise.
Noel
Pherdinand
02-14-2007, 11:52
Yea I blame the working in a secondhand shop. That, and wanting to try everything under the sun (other than drugs ;) )
Drugs are not that bad. Certaily cheaper than camera GAS, and some of them are not that addictive as rangefinders. :P
Pherdi, trust me - I doubt I could pop a pill for every photo I take, and still have something to my name.
SCOTFORTHLAD
02-14-2007, 12:09
Course this is really all my fault, for passing the Leica 111 on to Ash in thev first place, last Autumn!!:)
Brian.
Oh Brian, you have to take all the credit :D
SCOTFORTHLAD
02-14-2007, 12:33
Sorry Ash,couldn't resist,it's an age thing:;)
Brian.
NIKON KIU
02-14-2007, 13:04
OK Ash,
If you really have to have the Leica, here is a good place in UK:
http://www.peterwalnes.com/component/option,com_virtuemart/page,shop.browse/category_id,18/Itemid,1/
If you decide to buy, tell peter I sent u...he'll probably charge you double:)
Kiu
Hey Kiu, MW does Leica cheaper than that, so I'd have to buy through them really. Or Ffordes... or Ace Cameras, or MXV... or.....
Anyway, I have the Nikon's father - Contax II. I'm fond of the shape, the viewfinder etc etc etc, but I cant afford the Nikon Sx annoyingly
back alley
02-14-2007, 13:15
so I'm bad, not harsh...
WE bad!! :)
ash, maybe kui has a good idea, the contax is great and i'm betting the nikon will be as well, if not even better.
and with a 50mm lens they were both cheaper than a leica body alone. and the contax was reconditioned and the nikon had a recent cla.
something to think about.
joe
hmmmm...... but I have a contax?
You are hopeless!
Thats how I ended up with an M6. I knew I'd want one for ever until I got it so I finally said the hell with it and bought the thing! Now I can take pictures with one and not feel sorry for myself!
Chris your quotation in your sig says it all. I can't rest til I own everything I think about owning. Course, I'm capable of reselling too... sometimes BASS is a good thing - more fun, more experience. ;)
amateriat
02-14-2007, 21:02
Course this is really all my fault, for passing the Leica 111 on to Ash in thev first place, last Autumn!!:)
Brian.
You know, since the subject of controlled substances was brought up, wouldn't the III be regarded in some quarters as a "gateway" drug to the harder, non-threaded stuff? :rolleyes:
At any rate: Ash, hold off for the M, especially if stretching to an M2/M3 isn't going to to take the better part of forever (you mention the £/€ gap, but not the timeline involved in bridging that gap). After all, it's not as if you'll be hamstrung from taking any pictures at all in the meantime. Shoot with what you have, save for what you want.
- Barrett
Chris - but more fun ;)
Barrett - I would know the timeline if/when I know I'd next be employed and earning wages. I'm out shooting with the Contax and the Rolleicord today, photo's of Rich (second 'proper' shoot, third or fourth time he's been in front of my camera) so I think that combo does me quite well.
I still want an M before I spend all the cash on something else though! Thats my main problem - impatience and a tendency to stretch beyond my limits.
Anyway I'd better sort myself out. Have a good day everyone ;)
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