View Full Version : Selling my M8 Kit!!!!
Sailor Ted
01-25-2007, 05:25
See siggy below as it's all for sale- in one lump sum.
Ted :rolleyes:
Nachkebia
01-25-2007, 05:33
Reason? To buy MP or SLR? or to start writing, painting?
Early April Fool's, again?! :)
What's the reason? Accute indigestion from Leica?
I'll give you $50, the balance in my banking account...:rolleyes:
I thought it was the finest digital camera ever, or something? What's the story? Maybe you're joking.
Ian
Is this the point I start combing the internet for the first cataclysmic design fault?
So far it seems like M8 is a good way out of rangefinderdom.. :)
Jorge, Kevin, and now Ted. What happened last night?
So, Ben is right!!!
Looks like it, this certainly changes my opinion!
:rolleyes:
He has probably seen a lightly used Bentley.... (see his Smiley...)
So how can I get your M8?
Giulio
So how can I get your M8?
Giulio
You'll have to pry his cold dead fingers off it.
You'll have to pry his cold dead fingers off it.
Not a problem, where can I get you? :cool:
So, Ben is right!!!
Who is Ben, and about what is he right?
It does seem as if several of our formerly most vocally loyal M8 owners are suddenly rushing for the lifeboats. I didn't notice any news about stock market crashes yesterday, so financial explanations seem unlikely. Did they maybe all visit some photo show and drink the Kool-Aid at the Canon booth?
Almost funny.
How many "me too" 's are we going to have?:bang:
I also had this Nikon offer-Buy a D200 and get a free 80ft ocean-going yacht ... Only for M8 owners.......
Is this for real??? :confused::confused::confused:
You don't get it if you tell. But I get seasick very easily, so I declined :(
I can't believe that this thread is up to twenty posts and only one by Ted ... that in itself smacks of a fairytail! :D
tedwhite
01-25-2007, 07:43
Keith:
Plus, it's not listed in Classifieds.
Ted W.
I meant this whole thread. This is getting ridiculous. And no word from Sailor Ted since the first posting.
Ted,
Many people will be all too happy to gloat and tell you they told you so. Anyway, sorry to hear you have to sell a camera and gear that you seem to enjoy.
Regards
Steve
I think the fact that the original post has the 'Roll Eyes ... Sarcastic' :rolleyes: smilie after it indicates he's not serious! :rolleyes:
retrocam
01-25-2007, 07:56
Buyer's remorse?
See siggy below as it's all for sale- in one lump sum.
Ted :rolleyes:
Will you sell before or after buying some of Jorge's lenses ? :)
This is just getting out of hand ... we need a contest or something ...
Roland.
I just received my M8 yesterday. I won't be selling it anytime soon!
SolaresLarrave
01-25-2007, 08:03
I guess I'll be next: selling all my Leica gear to go hunting.
Or, better yet, to start a cat-welfare foundation named after my still alive cat, Ben.
Any takers, Ted? :)
Gabriel M.A.
01-25-2007, 08:06
The day I sell all my Leica gear, please have me committed to a good clinic. Or hook me up with a benevolent loan shark; I'd either have to lose my marbles or have pawned them to do that...
I guess I'll be next: selling all my Leica gear to go hunting.
Or, better yet, to start a cat-welfare foundation named after my still alive cat, Ben.
Any takers, Ted? :)
Yeah come on Ted ... fess up ... are you yankin' our chains or what? :confused: :)
Sailor Ted
01-25-2007, 08:09
I have alluded to, and spelled out what many photographers really want in a camera- one that gets it right nearly every time. And if we’re all honest with our selves (sadly myself included) that’s what we’re all really looking for- eye popping shots 99.999% of the time. Well it seems my old buddy Steve Jobs is a lurker here on RFf and sent me an email after reading a few of my posts; much to my surprise. Now I had thought a camera like this would come from Canon but it seems Steve, an avid photog- (who knew?) Is working on a passion outside of iPods and Apples. In conjunction with Jim Norrod of Segway, and Raytheon Corp they are developing the ultimate photographic tool- the iEye.
The iEye will be based on the Segway platform that is to say it will be mounted to a modified Segway. The camera is being developed by Raytheon Corp and will features a seven lens bayonet mount much like the rotating barrels in an A10 tank buster or a more commonly understood rifle, the Gatling Gun. Five of the lenses (Raytheon developed these in conjunction with Schneider) will be primes with one wide zoom and one telephoto zoom to fill in the shots missed by the primes. The computer will of course be from Apple and will be fully compatible with both Windows and Macintosh operating systems.
The concept of the iEye is devilishly clever and I’m still somewhat in awe as this will certainly be a life changing event for me and many other photography lovers (you know who you are). The camera is programmable to emulate any photographer or photographic style you choose for example if you want to compose pictures like that of Henri Cartier-Bresson, Christopher Anderson, Erich Hartman (or Kartman from South Park), Alex Webb or Annie Leopwitz, and on, and on, and on just select the photog from a pull down menu located on the cameras computer or on your laptop via wireless the camera will then create images in the style of your choice until a new photographer or group of photographers are chosen. And with new photographers and photographic styles being added every day there’ll be lots of fun for the whole family.
And speaking of the family I really like what they’re doing for the kids. Somehow they’ve been able to program an algorithm that conveys what pictures would be like if taken by Barney, Big Bird and The Little Mermaid. As a test, Steve asked me to choose from several pictures which ones I thought were taken by Big Bird or The Little Mermaid and in every instance somehow I KNEW. And to keep the iEye fresh, It has a sophisticated “learning” algorithm to study works from photographers not on it’s list; so let’s say you wanted to emulate a photographer like captainvideo, all you need do is select his gallery on Flickr on your iEye’s wireless web browser and he’ll learn the compositional style and not only take images in the photographers style of your choice, but iEye will even handle the post processing and prints up to A4.
Now for the fun part. Let’s say you want to shoot some Ansel Adams like early morning shots at your neighborhood park. Not a morning person? Not to worry- in fact you don’t have to be any kind of person ever again! Just select Ansel Adams from the photographic style pull down menu, select the time of day you would like your masterpieces snapped, then go online through your iEyes online browser to Mapquest and designate your iEye’s geographic area of coverage and time table parameters. Now go to bed and sleep in. While you sleep your creative vision is hard at work scouring it’s internal database of satellite shots looking for the best photo ops for tomorrows big event. Then at the preselected time only your creative genus could muster, your little iEye (well not so little in fact it’s bigger then C3PO) is off whirring through the neighborhood on it’s way to express your creative soul and if you selected “shoot any target of opportunity” from it’s myriad of system preferences (and you did because your just that kind of artist) you’ll get a few surprises later with your morning coffee.
Now let’s say you live in a rough neighborhood or you plan on visiting one (this will be a photojournalist’s best friend). Have your iEye equipped with the ultimate theft and vandalism deterrence- a 1.5 million volt Tesla Coil! No matter from what angle the hoodlums come at your iEye they'll get a non lethal (just) bolt of **** there pants and crawl away after they’ve wet themselves jolt. And best of all, whenever the Tesla Coil is activated it takes photos of the whole event for the ultimate in hard-core street photography!
Not a city photog you say? iEye’s got you covered. Order iEye with the optional quadruped motion unit- perfect for climbing stairs or when ever the terrain is uneven. And of course for such photographic opportunities as these you can specify the outdoorsman lens package that will substitute the wide and normal primes for telephoto primes that no telephoto zoom can match.
See Europe (or Baghdad) and amaze your friends with images that only you can create. Take your iEye with you where ever you go- to the beach (never again be embarrassed to take all those bikini clad co-ed shots you know you’ve been dreaming of), the supermarket, or on your next Euro holiday. iEye will not disappoint with pictures of stunning clarity, compositional supplication, and a flare only you can program. One caveat thought. Like the Leica M8, the iEye has but one battery and it’s HEAVY. So heavy in fact that it’s not possible to remove it. So just as with the M8 you’ll have to get your projects done on one charge, or take a break for several hours at the hotel (at least with the iEye you’ll never need to leave your hotel) for a recharge.
Now obviously all this technology and functionality doesn’t come cheap so I’m selling my Leica kit (Hell the Leica and all other cameras will soon be obsolete) for the non-refundable down payment. Later this week I have a meeting with my banker for the loan so I can get on the waiting list early but I’ll most likely need to sell my sailboat to pay the camera off (well most of it) to avoid interest charges on the 30-year loan.
So in summation we will finally have the camera everyone has been secretly longing for. Now if the camera takes a truly great shot there will be no debate- it was the iEye that gets all the credit and of course when an image is not to our liking it’s the iEye’s fault. Yes with the iEye only you can determine it’s creative genius.
Al Patterson
01-25-2007, 08:13
I want some of whatever you were smoking when you wrote the iEye post...
Gabriel M.A.
01-25-2007, 08:15
Hmm. Any chance I can get a loaner? I mean, we wouldn't want the early cameras to fall prey to the Purple Hunters, would we? ;)
If Jobs is your friend, why not ask him for a test drive, before dropping down all that $$$ for a downpayment?
In one year of sitting meditation I still haven't managed to see something like the iEye!
Ted ... all the info you have given about this camera is wonderful but the thundering silence over it's colour rendering abilities worries me ... especially with black synthetics! :confused:
Man oh man, it sure is thick in here... ;)
And from you, Dave, I have been expecting a sister thread:
"I'm buying an M8!!!!!" :D :D :D
And here is that camera you speak of .....
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3819&d=1108669423
Sailor Ted
01-25-2007, 10:26
All that and a Skopar?
>"I'm buying an M8!!!!!"
Jaap --
LOL! Good one!
But only in an alternate universe, I'm afraid.
I'm really concerned about the sharpness and noise in the iEye. Does anyone have any sample pics?;)
does it come with the box and original paperwork?
BillRogers
01-28-2007, 09:28
The iEye will need a software plug in that allows the user to choose the year that he wants the iEye to simulate.
If you choose 1954 from the drop-down menu, the iEye emulates a Leica M3.
If you choose 2007 from the drop-down menu, the iEye emulates a Nikon D2Xs.
I suggested such a camera a while ago and I was told that the technology is already there.
Raid
erikhaugsby
01-28-2007, 09:40
and I was told that the technology is already there.
Yes, but shame that Minolta wasn't able to successfully steal those patents from Honeywell :p
Ha! Ha! this is a wind-up. Isn't it?
Sailor Ted
01-28-2007, 09:57
The iEye will need a software plug in that allows the user to choose the year that he wants the iEye to simulate.
If you choose 1954 from the drop-down menu, the iEye emulates a Leica M3.
If you choose 2007 from the drop-down menu, the iEye emulates a Nikon D2Xs.
Hmmm I'm not sure what you mean by this but I have an idea and in a way I agree however.... The lack of the overly smooth and plastic veneer of Canon is not necessarily the Nikon look. I have noticed that if I apply smoothing and a little too much noise reduction (more then my usual which is to say zero with most images) I can create a very convincing representation of a Canon image with my M8. I can also create a convincing representation of 35mm film and scanned medium format. Because Leica chose to leave these decisions to the photog post process there's the very real possibility someone can get it wrong and this I believe is a prime source for the consternation surrounding this camera- The M8 is the digital antithesis of the iEye.
Just an observation.
Sailor Ted
01-28-2007, 10:04
Ha! Ha! this is a wind-up. Isn't it?
"One caveat thought. Like the Leica M8, the iEye has but one battery and it’s HEAVY. So heavy in fact that it’s not possible to remove it. So just as with the M8 you’ll have to get your projects done on one charge, or take a break for several hours at the hotel for a recharge (at least with the iEye you’ll never need to leave your hotel again)."
BillRogers
01-29-2007, 07:07
Hmmm I'm not sure what you mean by this but I have an idea and in a way I agree however.... The lack of the overly smooth and plastic veneer of Canon is not necessarily the Nikon look. I have noticed that if I apply smoothing and a little too much noise reduction (more then my usual which is to say zero with most images) I can create a very convincing representation of a Canon image with my M8. I can also create a convincing representation of 35mm film and scanned medium format. Because Leica chose to leave these decisions to the photog post process there's the very real possibility someone can get it wrong and this I believe is a prime source for the consternation surrounding this camera- The M8 is the digital antithesis of the iEye.
Just an observation.
Here's what I meant: http://www.br-digiphoto.com/weblog/rangefinder-cameras
I always shoot raw with my D200, and that gives me control.
From what I have seen, M8 images are superior to Nikon images, but not superior enough to justify the high cost and the limitations I described on my website.
No criticism intended; I'm just explaining what works for me.
Bill
Sailor Ted
01-29-2007, 07:15
From what I have seen, M8 images are superior to Nikon images, but not superior enough to justify the high cost and the limitations
We agree and we disagree so we shall just have to agree to disagree :rolleyes:
I do agree the Nikon creates fantastic images that are of a lower IQ and much softer then the images produced by the Leica M8. That the superior IQ of the Leica over Nikon is not worth the extra dosh is where we disagree. That the Nikon is a superior DSLR we agree and I would hasten to add that were I in the market for a DSLR I would much prefer the Nikon look to that of Canon so far as my prints are concerned.
BillRogers
01-29-2007, 13:35
Agree to disagree, aye aye, sailor. (Or should I say iEye, sailor?)
You all find the oddest things to talk about. Why would you sell an M8 you just
bought? All the techno BS about the M8's problems?
A cop-out I think. Couldn't afford it in the first place. And then you need a lens
or two.
Hmmm I'm not sure what you mean by this but I have an idea and in a way I agree however.... The lack of the overly smooth and plastic veneer of Canon is not necessarily the Nikon look. I have noticed that if I apply smoothing and a little too much noise reduction (more then my usual which is to say zero with most images) I can create a very convincing representation of a Canon image with my M8. I can also create a convincing representation of 35mm film and scanned medium format. Because Leica chose to leave these decisions to the photog post process there's the very real possibility someone can get it wrong and this I believe is a prime source for the consternation surrounding this camera- The M8 is the digital antithesis of the iEye.
If you can apply NR to your high ISO M8 DNG images using a "correct" method to achieve the same high ISO quality as the "inferior" in-camera processed Canon images, then I'll be a believer!
I'll start things off - 3200ISO f/4 1/60 shot @ Medium-JPEG setting.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/102/305477148_ecf70ff761_o.jpg
Okay, the whole point of this post is to remind everyone that as much in-camera processing the Canon cameras do, the resulting image is still industry leading. "Give credit where credit is due." Of all people, I would think the M8 owners should appreciate this mentality the most..
Sailor Ted
01-30-2007, 10:40
The absence of "grain" is not the same thing as superior high ISO IQ IMO. As good as the Canon images are at high ISO, I personally do not care for the Canon "Glaze" that is so liberally poured over every image. I prefer the film like clarity of my M8 and if I want some syrup poured on all I need do is apply smoothing and NR in Lightroom and BINGO- instant Canon. Try doing that in reverse with your consumer grade 5D, no offense.
The absence of "grain" is not the same thing as superior high ISO IQ IMO. As good as the Canon images are at high ISO, I personally do not care for the Canon "Glaze" that is so liberally poured over every image. I prefer the film like clarity of my M8 and if I want some syrup poured on all I need do is apply smoothing and NR in Lightroom and BINGO- instant Canon. Try doing that in reverse with your consumer grade 5D, no offense.
I have not experienced this "syrup" that you speak of. Take a 3200ISO image from the 5D and compare it to an 800ISO image from the M8 and you'll find that the Canon image show more details than the M8. I don't really care about the in-camera processing that is occuring, as long as the end-result kicks ass!
You think my above image is syrupy? Okay, turn up the iso on your M8 and aim at your drywall for a noisy drywall and I'll llay that pic over my 5D image and voila! instant magic!
Sailor Ted
01-30-2007, 10:54
I have not experienced this "syrup" that you speak of. Take a 3200ISO image from the 5D and compare it to an 800ISO image from the M8 and you'll find that the Canon image show more details than the M8. I don't really the in-camera processing that is occuring, as long as the end-result kicks ass!
This statement is patently untrue and will only sway noobs. ISO for ISO the Canon is far behind the M8 in resolution. Really Ben.
This statement is patently untrue and will only sway noobs. ISO for ISO the Canon is far behind the M8 in resolution. Really Ben.
Okay Sailor, you said it.. not me. I needed to quote your statement just in case if you decide to delete it later on.
Sailor Ted
01-30-2007, 11:15
If you can apply NR to your high ISO M8 DNG images using a "correct" method to achieve the same high ISO quality as the "inferior" in-camera processed Canon images, then I'll be a believer!
I'll start things off - 3200ISO f/4 1/60 shot @ Medium-JPEG setting.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/102/305477148_ecf70ff761_o.jpg
Okay, the whole point of this post is to remind everyone that as much in-camera processing the Canon cameras do, the resulting image is still industry leading. "Give credit where credit is due." Of all people, I would think the M8 owners should appreciate this mentality the most..
Ben that is by far the most interesting image I've ever seen from you- now how's this for giving credit where credit is due? The Leica does not load film that fast so at ISO 3200 you win by default however at ISO 1250 (1600) and lower the Leica is higher resolution and has a more film like appearance. Now allow me to retort ISO 640 (800): http://farm1.static.flickr.com/149/345158413_1a46cce31a_b.jpg
Hey?! A battle of photos instead of words! Great!
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