View Full Version : Santa Wants to Know, Who Deserves a new Voigtlander Bessa R3A.
Breaking News !!!
It's that time of the year when we are all in the good spirit of giving. That being the case, RFF along wit CameraQuest wish to give a new Bessa R3A to a deserving RFF member.
There are many photographers here on RFF that are genuinely excited about rangefinder photography and would just love to be shooting with a new camera. However, as we all know, cameras can be expensive and our priorities push the camera to the bottom of the list of things we want to buy. That is why the RFF members will decide who is deserving of a new rangefinder camera for Christmas this year. It is up to us to read the threads and identify who is that person who really wants to get involved with RF photography but has not yet had a chance. We are looking for those with failing cameras or no cameras at all. We are looking to make someone happy this Christmas. Although we would love to give a camera to everyone, the reality is that we can only give one camera away.
This is not a contest but simply a way of giving thanks to the members who make our community work. Lets start by getting a list of names going on this thread. We will then take the most commonly thought of names and place them in a poll. The members will then get a chance to cast their vote for the lucky winner.
Merry Christmas to all from RFF and Cameraquest.
Please start listing names on this thread.
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=439646#post439646
Just post names and nothing else. It will make going through th elist easier. YOu can continue commenting in this thread.
One note to keep in mind. Any sarcasm, negativity or deliberate instigation of hostilities in this thread will not be tolerated.
PlantedTao
12-13-2006, 12:57
I would like to nominate All moderators...they do a lot to make this a wonderful place and put in time & effort that I really appreciate.
I want to follow the guidelines, so this is NOT an insult...but it really should go to someone that needs it...IMHO that is someone who can't plunk down the cash for a M8 or MP or extremely highend camera. my 2 cents and I really ain't try'n to offend.
oh yeah - Thanks George & Stephen - merry christmas to all.
dazedgonebye
12-13-2006, 13:02
If I hadn't just bought a Bessa R, I might have been able to wimper my way to this?!?!?!
Timing is everything!
Off to look for the deserving....
back alley
12-13-2006, 13:03
this is different - i like it!
there are a couple of names that come to mind but maybe i'll wait a bit.
good going and kudos to stephen and jorge!!
joe
This is a difficult one, but somebody has to be first. On the basis of a huge contribution in a short space of time - both starting and contributing to threads, making great use of a limited budget and beat up old gear to produce some very interesting images, amazing enthusiasm and making me laugh a lot, I nominate ASH.
That's very generous of you Stephen and Jorge!! You gentlemen clearly have your red hats on! :D
dazedgonebye
12-13-2006, 13:18
Ash was the first name that came to my mind as well.
telenous
12-13-2006, 13:22
Wonderful gesture, thank you Jorge and Stephen.
I 'd like to give it some thought and I will come forward with a nomination if it hasn't been declared already.
All the best,
I know who I want to vote for. A guy with no film camera and no money to buy one, but who really wants one and reads RFF afraid to post since he doesn't have a film rangefinder. He's a great photographer, but only uses a digital P&S because he doesn't have the money to spend the $1000 it takes to get a decent rangefinder.
and god help any of you who vote for someone who already has a camera...this should be a gift to the needy, not a popularity contest. Just my opinion.
mfunnell
12-13-2006, 13:26
Ash was the first name that came to my mind as well.Same here.
...Mike
god help any of you who vote for someone who already has a camera...this should be a gift to the needy, not a popularity contest. Just my opinion.
Mine too.
Cheers, Ian
back alley
12-13-2006, 13:32
"...who really wants to get involved with RF photography but has not yet had a chance. We are looking for those with failing cameras or no cameras at all..."
relax guys...jorge already said it.
Jamie123
12-13-2006, 13:39
Well as a poor philosophy student with no rangefinder camera I would definitely like a Bessa.
However, I'm sure there are people who deserve it more than I do and whose contribution to RFF is far more valuable than mine so I'm not gonna nominate myself. :)
My vote also goes to Ash. From what I've read in his posts he seems to be a nice guy and the Bessa would surely be put to good use in his hands.
amateriat
12-13-2006, 13:49
Another vote for Ash here.
- Barrett
This is sooooo nice... :))))
.........do i qualify? :D
I'm new in photography, and the spark that lighted my fire was father's faulty Zorki 4, so I bought fed3b online for 20$ ...and it was defective :bang:, so i had to bought another one.... :(
Here in Croatia only RF cameras that one can buy are old FSU ones...
:angel:
Kim Coxon
12-13-2006, 13:54
This is very generous Jorge. There is a name which immediately sprang to mind as being extremely deserving of such a present but he already has a good camera. Time for the thinking cap.
Kim
I think Ash has already got a bessa, am I right?
IMHO it should go to a young person with talent but lacking cash. Further. it should be used, not celebrated as a relic of industrial accomplishment. How to determine this is beyond my limited experience or ability. Good luck and my compliments for the thought.
Johne
2nd thought. Give it to a school of art or photography for the use of deserving students on financial assistance. Just a thought.
Flyfisher Tom
12-13-2006, 14:02
Well as a poor philosophy student with no rangefinder camera I would definitely like a Bessa.
However, I'm sure there are people who deserve it more than I do and whose contribution to RFF is far more valuable than mine so I'm not gonna nominate myself. :)
My vote also goes to Ash. From what I've read in his posts he seems to be a nice guy and the Bessa would surely be put to good use in his hands.
Permit me to nominate you Jamie. I've enjoyed your thoughtful posts in the past.
Michael I.
12-13-2006, 14:11
I could sure use one but I am sure there are much needier people out there.
Permit me to nominate you Jamie. I've enjoyed your thoughtful posts in the past.
Seconded. Since Jamie has no RF at all he's a good choice.
Ian
Jamie123
12-13-2006, 14:14
Thank you guys! That's very nice of you!
PlantedTao
12-13-2006, 14:25
snip...
...this should be a gift to the needy, not a popularity contest. Just my opinion.
Exactly my point!
& well said.
First of all thanks to Jorge and Steven for their wonderful genorsity to make someone happy this Christmas. I am only 3 months old in this community, and fairly new to RF photography myself. I don't know everybodys situation and I agree if there is someone that only has a P&S it would be nice to see them have one. But I have to say while reading Jorges thread, Ash was the person that came to mind. He is young and serious about the craft. He has talent, yet does so with not the best equipment. He even put up a makeshift darkroom I believe in the corner of his bedroom. He helps others and always commits on a thread. He sure has helped me!:) His blog is good too! So I nominate Ash.
NIKON KIU
12-13-2006, 14:31
I know who I want to vote for. A guy with no film camera and no money to buy one, but who really wants one and reads RFF afraid to post since he doesn't have a film rangefinder. He's a great photographer, but only uses a digital P&S because he doesn't have the money to spend the $1000 it takes to get a decent rangefinder.
and god help any of you who vote for someone who already has a camera...this should be a gift to the needy, not a popularity contest. Just my opinion.
George you have my vote.
Kiu
I don't have a Bessa, but I have a few meterless cameras in usable condition. Personally I'd vote for a friend of mine, Lauren, because she's excited about rangefinders, but currently using the Zorki and Fed I had to sell her to fun my Contax!
By no means is this a popularity contest. but rather a vote on who you think needs it the most. If was a popularity contest I nominate myself :D
oh, but Lauren is a lurker, she doesn't actually have an account here, so I nominate Jorge, cos I feel sorry for him having to use that digital P&S... i mean.... M8... :D :D
What do you think of this?
Instead of a poll, I get all of the names submitted and draw 1 lucky winner out of a hat. I could video the event and put it up as a file for all to see. Just a thought.
lol suddenly my odds just got helluva lot worse :D
That sounds like a very good option to me Jorge.
I think that's a good idea too.
Ian
I'm not sure what the best way to do this is, but I sure know this is a great idea. Kudos to you, Jorge and Steven!
Al Patterson
12-13-2006, 15:00
I'll nominate Ash also, if he shares the Bessa with his lurker friend Lauren. We could help TWO worthy folks with one camera.
As for popularity, I think most of us would vote for ourselves...
thats very friendly of you folks giving away a free camera...
what other forums would do that for there members not to many thats why i like this place its just a nice place to hang out...
well I dunno, if the name is picked out of the hat, is each name put in the hat as many times as it was voted for? Or does that succumb to greed/popularity?
not that I want that bessa or anythin ;)
in all seriousness the raffle kinda idea sounds best to me.
I commend the people setting up this give-away.
As for the method to give the camera to a person, I am thinking that there are people who are quiet and who may be better served this way :
Let each person nominate himself/herself discretely to Jorge, and then Jorge pulls one name out. It is advertised here that "needy people" should apply.
If we make it a popularity contest, there will be quite a few RFF needy members who will not dare to challenge the system.
This is just my opinion.
Raid
George you have my vote.
Kiu
My nomination is for my cousin. He is a user on here, but doesn't own anything besides a Holga and a digital P&S. He doesn't have any cash for cameras at all, but lusts for my Bronica every now and then.
well I dunno, if the name is picked out of the hat, is each name put in the hat as many times as it was voted for? Or does that succumb to greed/popularity?
not that I want that bessa or anythin ;)
in all seriousness the raffle kinda idea sounds best to me.
raffle is not the right way to do it because someone with plenty of gear and money could end up with the free camera. We need to all really think about who needs it AND deserves it AND will use it AND not sell it.
Not too many of us actually is around enough to be able to determine this. I can think of a few people who would be well served to receive a gift camera.
No raffles.
mfunnell
12-13-2006, 15:27
Let each person nominate himself/herself discretely to Jorge, and then Jorge pulls one name out. It is advertised here that "needy people" should apply.
Not a bad idea at all. Perhaps a "why I want the Bessa in 60 words or less" kind've thing: "I am suffering terribly from GAS, yet have no money to treat it and no camera to show how horribly swollen it makes me." With Stephen and Jorge to determine the result.
That kind've puts it back on them, though, and they've already been exceptionally, over-the-top, wonderfully generous. Perhaps have all the mods look, and vote?
...Mike
What do you think of this?
Instead of a poll, I get all of the names submitted and draw 1 lucky winner out of a hat. I could video the event and put it up as a file for all to see. Just a thought.
that makes sense, Jorge. But we would need someone trustworthy to look at those names and see who is actually appropriate to enter. I know that sounds snobbish, but the choices need to be really analyzed before a ticket can be pulled. It can't come from a largely unknown pile of usernames. That opens the door for trouble. For a mis-directed gift. the selection should be random, but the pile of names should not be.
Not a bad idea at all. Perhaps a "why I want the Bessa in 60 words or less" kind've thing: "I am suffering terribly from GAS, yet have no money to treat it and no camera to show how horribly swollen it makes me." With Stephen and Jorge to determine the result.
That kind've puts it back on them, though, and they've already been exceptionally, over-the-top, wonderfully generous. Perhaps have all the mods look, and vote?
...Mike
true, this would allow people to make a case for themselves, but what about deserviing users without a mastery of the English language? WOuldn;t want english competency to be a roadblock.
Flyfisher Tom
12-13-2006, 15:44
What do you think of this?
Instead of a poll, I get all of the names submitted and draw 1 lucky winner out of a hat. I could video the event and put it up as a file for all to see. Just a thought.
I concur Jorge, that's a great idea.
That way it won't be a popularity contest and the nominees won't be competing with each other.
How about Stephanie Brim? I enjoy her posts and her photos. I cooked professionally for 6 years (her plan last I read) and I can tell you that you won't fund many camera purchases on a cook's wages.
See my previous post now updated. Give it to an art school or photographic academy for the use of talented students on financial assistance.
Johne
I'm really grateful for the number of people who mentioned me, but regardless of my £80-negative bank balance, lack of a stable job, and my incessant need to take as many photo's of as many people as I can before my short life is over (yadda yadda yadda)... I hope that someone who truly deserves the camera can have it.
All I'm asking for is that you all keep visiting my blog, and visit the galleries when I'm famous :D :D :D
Just thinking out loud:
It would be nice if the neediest/most deserving party
received the Bessa.
Anyone who wants to claim that for themself (grammar?)
should be encouraged to on a special thread through
a final date & time certain. This gives quiet folks an opportunity.
Then the collective wisdom of the members would apply
in an anonymous vote carried out over several days.
If it works out well or if it works out poorly the group
is responsible. Two votes per member might level the
field a bit also.
Just seems to me the more of us that consider this the fairer
the outcome will be.
For the record: I don't need it, don't want it.
back alley
12-13-2006, 16:18
...AND will use it AND not sell it....
i don't think you can tell someone what to do with a gift once you give it.
after that, it's theirs to do with as they please.
jmo
I don't think anyone with a teardrop of morality CAN sell a gift.
I've given a gift onto someone else (like the Jupiter-12 to Keith that I was given by Jocko) because that's goodwill.
Selling something that someone took the time to give to you is a little heartless to be honest.
I'd like it to go to a deserving Eastern European or FSU member, where jobs and money are tougher to come by.....
petepete_seattle
12-13-2006, 16:29
I totally agree on donating a rangefinder to a not for profit photographic education center. Here in seattle we have a center called Youth in Focus (http://youthinfocus.org/). Their main goal is to take youth off the streets in the urban areas who have low to no income families and teach them art instead of being in gangs, vandalizing, getting involved with drugs, etc. Y.I.F. has a bank of 35mm's and one or two digital that are checked out and returned. They are learning darkroom skills and PS skills as well.
Just think how warm that makes you feel helping some troubled teens and tweens eager to try out a rangefinder and what it means to go back to a classic way of capturing a moment that requires a bit more skill than p&s, slr, and digital.
So, ya, in closing ... I second the donate to educate.
Hey dads, Not all of us fsu members are broke & poor. The LORD has blessed me good this year, and I'm not bragging but I could walk into a store tomorrow and pay cash for a M8. I choose fsu stuff because I like it. But I do get your meaning.:D There are those who really need it.
Merry Christmas to all
Greg
I don't know a lot of RFF Members yet,. A few, though. And after being a lurker for a week or so, I got the RF bug. Mind you, I own a few camera's, but I had to save for 8 months for my DSLR, and for the RF I bought from Flashover, I saved for 6 weeks. Although I was saving towards a Upgrade from my D60. I desided to get a RF instead. Glad I did!! I am using Film 90% of the time now. And have been looking at selling my D60 for a Bessa R2C (since I have 3 FSU lens). But a R3a is a great RF too. Since I don't have a lot invested in FSU stuff at the moment.
If I could elect myself, (a bit selfish? Well, I don't know, We don't realy have the extra cash, I try to set some $$ aside that won't interfer with our living bills).
It took 2 years to save $400.00 to build a newer XP 2mhz computer, from my 98 433mhz one.
But I know Ash, and have followed many of his threads. I vote for Ash too. Even if it is a drawing. May his name be at the fingertips of the offical drawer!
Sorry Greg, I meant citizen of one of the former Soviet Union Republics...like the fella from Yugoslavia (or the former Yugoslavia) who had trouble buying film....
back alley
12-13-2006, 17:07
petr dima...was that guy
I think the key is getting the community involved. therefore, the voting will probably be best.
This is asbsolutely the worst, illogical way to give out a camera! Geez! I'm almost mad at the idea. Not almost but VERY.
Why not create a thread where each person has to shoot a given strict subject within a time frame (let's say 7 days) and then there's a popular vote for the best picture?
Isn't that what photography is about???????
back alley
12-13-2006, 17:25
This is asbsolutely the worst, illogical way to give out a camera! Geez! I'm almost mad at the idea. Not almost but VERY.
Why not create a thread where each person has to shoot a given strict subject within a time frame (let's say 7 days) and then there's a popular vote for the best picture?
Isn't that what photography is about???????
we did that already.
we did that already.
Ah... Well I'm poor, formerly from the former yugoslavia, good at photography and since I don't own a rangefinder I haven't really posted here. So this makes me a good candidate... I guess. But honestly, why would someone give me a free cam?
back alley
12-13-2006, 17:31
jorge is a bit funny that way...;)
it's christmas time, the time for giving...
NB23,
It's about giving. It is not a competition. Unfortunately, we all have to decide who to give it to. It will be difficult.
yeah, how about stephanie brim?
CameraQuest
12-13-2006, 18:15
The problem with giving the camera to a school is that students trash cameras. Most cameras are victims of newbie mistakes. Others are victims to the student's "you owe me because I paid for it" attitude. Of course their can be exceptions, but I have seen students trash just about anything schools provide them, either because they don't know better, or because they just don't care. The other problem is that this giveaway is to benefit the RFF community, not a school.
When George and I planned this Xmas gift, the idea was to get the RFF community involved by playing Santa to a RFF member who could not afford to buy the camera themselves. I'm sure there many deserving candidates, but unfortunately only one Xmas camera.
It's easy to get a lot of volunteers by saying "raise your hand if you want a great free camera!" That is not what is going on here.
This Santa gift is designed for the RFF community effort to come together by attempting to decide who is the best overall choice for such a helping hand.
What real photographic difference will it really make? Who knows? All we can really do is help plant the seed and hope for the best.
I can't help thinking and hoping that the process itself will help make the RFF voters a little bit more wiser and community minded.
I don't know who the best choice is, the voting will decide that. However I agree that Stephanie Brim merits consideration. I enjoy her enthusiasm and often interesting point of view on imaginative photographic adventures -- all the time dealing with a very limited budget.
Stephen
This is a wonderful idea and a generous offer from Stephen/Jorge. Here's my suggestion: Stephen and Jorge form a committee of two and you guys decide who is the most deserving. Being Jorge's site, he probably has a better feel for this than anyone else and since Stephen is (I assume) donating the camera, he should have input.
Whatever you decide, I want to help. I'll donate my three free rolls of Kodak film (one roll was a 120 so it's of no use to the winner). Maybe others here will want to contribute as well.
Regards,
Charlie (not Seal)
Please start listing names on this thread.
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=439646#post439646
Just post names and nothing else. It will make goingthrough th elist easier. YOu can continue commenting in this thread.
very generous! i wouldn't mind having a bessa. :D
PlantedTao
12-13-2006, 18:46
Why not gather all the names as you are doing, then for the big raffle give away, make some sort of criteria to limit the choices for the members to decide...
For example:
1. A need for a camera
2. Have contributed to the community...must have over X amount of posts OR X amount of photos in the gallery
just a thought...
No offense, but Steph's rarely here, mods on another forum, and has plenty of cameras. I like the idea of Petr Dima, but haven't seen him around lately either. I'd just like it to go to a contributing member (under 25) in someplace other than the affluent West.....
But the idea of putting RF's in the hands of young, aspiring photographers in one of the war torn countries is very appealing to me. I realize this is too late for this year, but perhaps we, as a community, could manage a contributory program to do that next year.
dadsm3...........PetarDima's last post was pretty recent. I like where you're going with your idea though. My vote would goto him.
All said and done, I'm sure this camera will find it's way to a deserving RFF member. Thanks for making this possible (Jorge...........Stephen).
No offense, but Steph's rarely here, mods on another forum, and has plenty of cameras. I like the idea of Petr Dima, but haven't seen him around lately either. I'd just like it to go to a contributing member (under 25) in someplace other than the affluent West.....
But the idea of putting RF's in the hands of young, aspiring photographers in one of the war torn countries is very appealing to me. I realize this is too late for this year, but perhaps we, as a community, could manage a contributory program to do that next year.
What a coincidence here; I was thinking today about suggesting to give this camera to a young Iraqi reporter/journalist someone in Iraq. It would be a gift from heaven. Maybe there is another camera that can be donated that way.
Raid
I have a Contax G2 and but can't take especially good pictures--too bad you guys aren't donating photographic skill! But seriously, thanks for your charity, great idea.
emraphoto
12-13-2006, 19:57
i totally agree with raid... instead of trying to figure out who amongst us all should get such a fine prize... maybe we should all put our minds to discovering an "up and comer" of sorts. a fledgling photojournalist etc.who might not have the resources. someone working on borrowed gear or what not. i know a fella here in london, ontrio who is a gifted artist, runs the local anual artist gig called LOLA, curates at local pub's and cafe's for young artists and does it all on a volunteer basis. he is a new and fairly gifted photographer shooting on a borrowed canon g3... he contributes to the artist community and really has no money (going to school full time and working in a restaurant).
now i'm not saying give it to him exactly, BUT someone like him. it could be like a rangefinder forum scholarship of sorts... could develop into something real cool.
anyhow, i really hope it goes to someone like that.
john
Rich Silfver
12-13-2006, 19:59
Instead of having people naming who they would want to give the camera to - why not have a thread where people that want to receive the gift can post 'why' they would want/need a free camera.
I'm sure there are a number of interesting stories out there that may 'flush' out someone who is really in need of it (rather than just picking a name out of the top posters which is what that other thread seems to be becoming).
So;
1) A thread where people that are interested in receiving the gift can state 'why' they need/want it. Maybe cap it at 20-30 people.
2) A poll/voting amongst all members of which person out of '1' above should win
Just a thought (and no, I don't want/need another camera personally). :)
Gabriel M.A.
12-13-2006, 20:05
No offense, but Steph's rarely here, mods on another forum, and has plenty of cameras. I like the idea of Petr Dima, but haven't seen him around lately either. I'd just like it to go to a contributing member (under 25) in someplace other than the affluent West.....
But the idea of putting RF's in the hands of young, aspiring photographers in one of the war torn countries is very appealing to me. I realize this is too late for this year, but perhaps we, as a community, could manage a contributory program to do that next year.
I second the sentiment.
Unfortunately, I don't think we as a group know of the name of somebody like that that we can vote for. Well, I don't.
Two names came to mind before I read your posting: Beniliam and lynn.
Beniliam already has a rangefinder and is certainly into rangefinder photography; he has never asked one material thing, as far as I know, from anybody on this forum. Yet I'm certain he's a struggling artist. I splurge on my gear, and I certainly am a struggling, a few times in the past year a starving one.
Lynn, as far as I know, doesn't own a rangefinder, "proper". She takes beautiful pictures. I'm sure this kind of camera will add a new dimension to her expression outlet.
I also thought of both of them because they are supportive, encourage people, and are throughout just good souls.
I do a lot of "talking" and pisses a lot of people off -- my New Year's resolution is to be as properly expressive as they both are, both in pictures, words, and silence.
Too bad there aren't two cameras up from Santa for us to vote for.
Just wanted to say that I think that this is a very classy thing for RFF and CameraQuest to do.
What do you think of this?
Instead of a poll, I get all of the names submitted and draw 1 lucky winner out of a hat. I could video the event and put it up as a file for all to see. Just a thought.
Jorge, I think you are the bravest man on the forum to put up another contest, especially in these terms, and then actually invite comments from the other members here, knowing that no matter what you end up doing, some people will end up being offended because you don't follow their suggestion!!! Kudos and thanks to you and Stephen, for your generosity and your good will. Listen to others' ideas, but in the end follow your heart and do this the way you feel will produce the best outcome.
And to all others - some great ideas flowing here, but in the end please respect Jorge and Stephen's decision as to how and where they bestow their gift.
Jorge, can I chip in some dollars towards film?
Lynn, as far as I know, doesn't own a rangefinder, "proper". She takes beautiful pictures. I'm sure this kind of camera will add a new dimension to her expression outlet.
Gabriel:
Thank you - for the suggestion, and for the compliment. :)
But I am not without, not at all. I have several proper rangefinders - including a Canonet QL17 GIII and a number of Yashica Electro's (and something even nicer since the day before yesterday) - and use them with great pleasure. I just use the Nikon FE most, is all...
I do hope that this thoughtful gesture benefits someone who is truly needy, as many have succinctly said already.
Terrence
12-14-2006, 01:34
ME!!! :D
Bessa is way, way out of my budget and though i am new to this lovely community, i LOVE rangefinders. but i think there are many people out there who deserves it more than me ;) . i don't think i am THAT talented/skillful! :o
it's really kind and generous! :angel:
Kim Coxon
12-14-2006, 01:54
One thing to remember is the tax situation in Europe. If it comes here, the beneficiary should not be subjected to a bill that they may not be able to afford. We perhaps need to think of a way that RFF could cover it.
Kim
That must be one of the nicest gestures I saw this year! :) I'll refrain to name people, or vote (as I don't lurk around time enough to be even slightly fair). But I have to say this lovely attitude only assures me that this is _the_ Forum to support.
I always had a hunch that Rangefinder users have to be good people! :)
Keep up the fantastic work!
foolproof
12-14-2006, 02:09
id love it :) id use it so much it wont know what hit it. il vote for ash on the list page
I just realised.. my name has popped up WAY too much. To be karma-corrected I need about 20 giveaways to vote for everyone else in!!
Great idea, but dashed difficult to pick out the particularly deserving individual.
If only we could give everyone a rangefinder for free. Maybe leave them on hotel bedside tables - more inspirational than what one usually finds there and a lot less dangerous. No offence to practicing christians meant.
No offence to practicing christians meant.
I nearly found myself saying "if I get this camera, I promise I will NEVER photograph and upload a nativity scene!" then realised that could be taken the wrong way :D
Well, While I don't really know anyone here well enough, after reading some posts for my own research in thoughts of getting a Zeiss Ikon, I can suggest one individual that has had terrible luck with cameras - Avotius. After ordering 3-4 Ikons and ALL being duds he gave up. So, while he may not "need" a Bessa, it could deffinately lift his spirits and have more trust in Cosina products.
Just a thought.
I'll vote for ASH, mostly because of his obvious enthusiasm for the Rangefinder camera, and as well as for his general enthusiasm for photography, in all it's ramifications. I don't think any of the rest of the regular posters here are working as hard at it as is ASH.
Regards!
Don
JeffGreene
12-14-2006, 06:59
I nominate Jamie123. Check out his Flickr!
I also like Rich's idea of a thread that would allow needy candidates the opportunity to make his or her case.
pesphoto
12-14-2006, 07:01
i agree.....Ash
I'll vote for ASH, mostly because of his obvious enthusiasm for the Rangefinder camera, and as well as for his general enthusiasm for photography, in all it's ramifications. I don't think any of the rest of the regular posters here are working as hard at it as is ASH.
Regards!
Don
samdj1210
12-14-2006, 07:04
Same here.... Ash
Actually can we get someone with a paypal account to allow member to contribute towards another one, and see if we can make it two instead of one? (of course not going to the same member)
charjohncarter
12-14-2006, 07:52
I nominate ASH for the camera.
Jocko,he is what this forum is about,knowledge,wit,wisdom and enthusiasm.Merry Christmas..........Robin
Jocko,he is what this forum is about,knowledge,wit,wisdom and enthusiasm.Merry Christmas..........Robin
Thank you Robin, that is astonishingly kind, but I'm out of the running! I have piles of frighteningly unused cameras, many of which I have succeeded in breaking at every possible opportunity!
I should be giving prizes!
I could always sell tickets..... :D
Cheers, Ian!
I got to thinking about this and ideally I would like to see it go to an impartial, independent, and skilled photographer based in Bethlehem who would make images that informed the world of the regions plight, ended conflict on earth, and won a Nobel prize, or as close to that as is practical
:angel: Hey! It’s nearly Christmas:angel:
:angel: :angel:
I got to thinking about this and ideally I would like to see it go to an impartial, independent, and skilled photographer based in Bethlehem who would make images that informed the world of the regions plight, ended conflict on earth, and won a Nobel prize, or as close to that as is practical
:angel: Hey! It’s nearly Christmas:angel:
:angel: :angel:
I'm confident I could do all that. But I'm not sure when to stop daydreaming anymore :D :D
Ash has made a comment on the members only thread and invited responses here.
As Ash knows, with the greatest respect, I do not think he should have the camera. Nor do I think that any of us in the RFF hardcore should have it. Most of us have excellent cameras, even if they only cost a few dollars or pounds - the $30 FED 1 is quite as good as HCB's Leica II, and that's far too good for almost anyone.
This is not and should not be a vote on who makes the greatest contribution to RFF. As Jorge has stated, the purpose of this is to help a needy photographer - someone without a camera. We can transform a creative life. Isn't that a wonderful thing?
It also reaches out from the fairly small group of activists to the wider membership. I mean no offence to anyone, but let's remember that most of us are pretty damn lucky already.
Cheers, Ian
pedro.m.reis
12-14-2006, 09:06
I also support Rich's ideia of a thread+poll.
Otherwise i just cant nominate anyone......
A Jocko said. No matter how much I'd like that camera. I know I wont get it.
It'd be nice to have a brand new and reliable camera, but hey. I know I'm not the most deserving here and I have cameras to use already.
It would probably cause a lot of resentment towards someone like me if I DID get chosen especially because I post here so much I'm difficult to avoid as it is :rolleyes:
I'm not sure who IS the neediest here, but this whole topic has a swings and roundabouts feel to it, and I think a lot of people are going be be ill-feeling.
I don't think nationality or income should make any difference to the choice made by Jorge. It's as easy to call on bias if a westerner is chosen as it is to begrudge if it's a member from the east.
Please also remember for the most part we don't actually KNOW each other. We only know what we have chosen to believe from words in threads (or the occasional RFF meet).
I don't think nationality or income should make any difference to the choice made by Jorge. It's as easy to call on bias if a westerner is chosen as it is to begrudge if it's a member from the east.
I want to chime in on this in particular. Yes, the term "needy" has been used, and the overall goal is to get it into someone's hands who will use it, who doesn't currently have something like it, and will produce perhaps better work because of it. But, while this is a gift project, it is not a charity project, per se. It gets awfully complicated if one wishes to make it like that. Nationality and income are examples of how things can get complicated.
And for my nominations in the other thread, I am _extremely_ appreciative, and the comments about my wishes (needs?) to get an interchangeable RF are, in fact, accurate (to the point where I am now getting rid of my fixed-lens ones out of frustration). But it's not like I don't have other cameras to use. Just not RF ones (there is a reason why I post almost exclusively to the darkroom forum - I just don't have that many RF cameras).
allan
-There are many photographers here on RFF that are genuinely excited about rangefinder photography and would just love to be shooting with a new camera.
-RFF members will decide who is deserving of a new rangefinder camera for Christmas this year.
-identify who is that person who really wants to get involved with RF photography but has not yet had a chance.
-We are looking for those with failing cameras or no cameras at all.
-We are looking to make someone happy this Christmas.
-a way of giving thanks to the members who make our community work.
One note to keep in mind. Any sarcasm, negativity or deliberate instigation of hostilities in this thread will not be tolerated.
Just in case people go off on a tangent, those are the main points from Jorge's original post.
One more thing I wanted to add, having read that first post so many times, this is to make someone happy, not make everyone else miserable.
In the spirit of the goodwill this thread is all about maybe we should all stop taking it so seriously, rather than a negative view because it is being made into too much of a big deal.
"In the spirit of the goodwill this thread is all about maybe we should all stop taking it so seriously, rather than a negative view because it is being made into too much of a big deal."
I agree with you on this statement, Ash.
This event is meant to make someone happier and not to cause friction or any dismay. Let's wrap this thing up with a good summary statement by Jorge on how to have nominees apply for the camera.
Raid
Raid, yeah, nice idea. I have a friend that took some courses in photography during college, and she'd love to start up with it now, but unfortunatley, cannot afford it (she works at a salon). She eyed my ZI last time we looked over my photos. Not to mention she's very attractive :D
Let me make sure I get this straight:
We're looking to nominate someone who currently does NOT have an RF camera right?
I checked the other thread and I noted names that were being mentioned included those that have already had RF cameras...
Just want to be sure before I put a name down for someone in this contest (which is a nice thing imho) :)
Dave
Jamie123
12-14-2006, 11:01
I nominate Jamie123. Check out his Flickr!
Thank you Jeff! I'm very flattered that you like my photos. This compliment alone has already made my day!
Dave, that's why I highlighted those points in Jorge's post. Someone who has failing cameras or no cameras at all.
back alley
12-14-2006, 11:16
i'm not really sure what the problem is here.
jorge has already said what his intentions are and what the process is.
what i see happening is some people wanting jorge to do it their way.
of course there is always another way to do something but please keep in mind it's jorge and stephen's camera to give away.
if you have a gift you would like to offer up i'd be happy to make it a 'sticky' for you.
joe
Joe,
I just wanted clarification.
Hey.. if it's nominate anyone and everyone then I'd be happy to put forth some users here who contribute more than others but that appears NOT to be what Jorge (or Stephen who's generously donating the camera) wanted - so I just wanted to be sure before I go and toss a name into the post.
Dave
back alley
12-14-2006, 12:33
dave, my comments were not directed at you at all, sorry for any confusion on that.
joe
ChrisPlatt
12-14-2006, 12:48
Be fair. If you can't give each RFF member an entire camera,
then the one available should be divided equally among us all.
For my share I'd like half a ball bearing. ;)
Chris
"Keep Chris in Christmas"
darkkavenger
12-14-2006, 12:48
I strongly agree with Jocko. I own more cameras than I need to take photos, and each of those has given out lovely photos, so what's the point in giving a camera to die-hards who are getting a camera or two every month?
With all due respect to every member who has been nominated as potentially eligible to receive such a wonderful gift, I think -that is my humble opinion- that people who are known for purchasing regularly gear (no matter if it's a soviet camera, for these are cameras, and fully working ones) should be eliminated from an eventual final choice.
I do not intend to bias anyone decision, this is just my way of seeing this. And ... I may decide to give out a camera (or two, or three) to anyone if I feel like doing that, and that the person is patient enough to allow me to have stable finances to ship it. :angel:
I'm thinking of throwing in a Kiev-4A with a 50/2 Jupiter-8M, and also of throwing in a Fed-5 body (yeah, i know, no sarcasm ok?;) it works!). And maybe a standalone Jupiter-8M in Kiev mount.
Max that's even better than bessa :)
Be fair. If you can't give each RFF member an entire camera,
then the one available should be divided equally among us all.
For my share I'd like half a ball bearing. ;)
Chris
"Keep Chris in Christmas"
Oh you are truly wise King Solomon :D
Dave
xayraa33
12-14-2006, 13:19
this giving away of an rf camera is a nice idea.
its execution might be more problematic though.
Instead of having people naming who they would want to give the camera to - why not have a thread where people that want to receive the gift can post 'why' they would want/need a free camera.
I'm sure there are a number of interesting stories out there that may 'flush' out someone who is really in need of it (rather than just picking a name out of the top posters which is what that other thread seems to be becoming).
So;
1) A thread where people that are interested in receiving the gift can state 'why' they need/want it. Maybe cap it at 20-30 people.
2) A poll/voting amongst all members of which person out of '1' above should win
Just a thought (and no, I don't want/need another camera personally). :)
I second this idea.
Stephanie Brim
12-14-2006, 17:51
I won't withdraw my name, but I don't really need it. I'm happy with everything I own now. Well, except for needing a 35mm lens... I'm also saving for an R2M due to the fact that I got addicted to using a 35mm lens over the time I had a J-12. I'm also saving for knives and Calphalon One pans, so I'm not sure what will be first on the list.
I'm still taking photos occasionally, though not as much now that I'm trying to get myself hired at restaurants around town, and food is about to become my main focus. Trying to get together a portfolio of food to send to a few culinary schools around here. Still using film, of course. Still using Rodinal, too. ;)
tblanston
12-14-2006, 17:54
If anyone ends up will ill feelings out of this it can be attributed to having convinced themselves that they deserve such a gesture more than anyone else does, which is quite a disturbing thought to possess in my opinion. Greed, in other words.
So I really hope that excuse is not used to thwart healthy, open discussion for the forum to collectively identify the individuals who would be appropriate for the gift. It seems that there may be a sense that anyone who does not receive the gift would be a loser in the situation. I don't really feel that it is possible to lose something you never had. Nobody should fee that way.
I don't like the use of the word 'needy' either. _Nobody_ on the planet needs a camera. A camera is a privelege, not a right. Especially a camera that is given as a gift.
I nominate wlewisiii. I don't think he's ever said an unkind word in any of his 3500+ posts. He's on the road now so he can't post much but he's always been one of the most positive forces on this site. I think he's earned it.
dostacos
12-14-2006, 18:35
This is a wonderful idea and a generous offer from Stephen/Jorge. Here's my suggestion: Stephen and Jorge form a committee of two and you guys decide who is the most deserving. Being Jorge's site, he probably has a better feel for this than anyone else and since Stephen is (I assume) donating the camera, he should have input.
Whatever you decide, I want to help. I'll donate my three free rolls of Kodak film (one roll was a 120 so it's of no use to the winner). Maybe others here will want to contribute as well.
Regards,
Charlie (not Seal)
Since it seems to be a body only I will throw in a f3.5/50mm lens [Industar 50?]
No offense Travis but a camera to a young or financially struggling RF'er means a hell of a lot more to them than someone who just wants to upgrade.
My heart goes out to guys who have to struggle to buy a roll of film due to economic conditions beyond their control.
If the criteria was to give it to a young member who 'shows the most promise' then a competition should be held.....nothing wrong with that, maybe even a good idea.
But it IS Christmas after all.....
Charlie thats a wonderful gesture but aren't all industar lenses screw mount? It will need an adapter. That is if the lens will fit at all. Bessas are very peculiar that way. But i'm not 100% sure either.
Just a quick question.............does the Bessa come with a lens? I don't remember if it was mentioned. :o Cause maybe the person who gets this generous gift can't afford an M mount lens or an adapter. Just a thought.
tblanston
12-14-2006, 21:04
No offense Travis but a camera to a young or financially struggling RF'er means a hell of a lot more to them than someone who just wants to upgrade.
This is exactly why I feel it would be better discussed than randomized, which is one point I was trying to make. Apologies if I mistakenly implied otherwise.
jan normandale
12-14-2006, 22:19
I haven't had time to read all the posts however I'm sure the 'spirit of giving' is coming out in us all.
Jorge, and Stephen.. this is a truly generous gift from the heart. Thanks I wish this was around when I was 25+/- years old. Who ever wins I'm certain will cherish this camera. Season's greetings gentlemen!
Jan
.... guys who have to struggle to buy a roll of film due to economic conditions beyond their control..
I don't need a bessa, thats already been discussed. But I just realised I have been using expired film (and expired bulk film) since I started on this forum.
Stephanie Brim
12-15-2006, 02:08
Eh, me too. I have so much of it now that my drawers are overflowing...thinking I should give some of it away for Christmas. I'm keeping my 20-year-old bulk rolls of Tri-X and Plus-X, though...those are just cool.
In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with using what's available to you. Expired film is what I use because I want to, not really because I have to. I mean, I'm not made of money, but I could afford a roll of film when I want one. I choose not to use it because this stuff is just sitting there...someone should shoot it.
I also like my old, cheap cameras. Especially my Canonet. I'm just now learning to appreciate it. I also love my Minolta Freedom III. Very fun camera.
I don't really need a Bessa because of this. I wouldn't turn one down, but I don't need one. I say to give it to someone who really needs it.
I don't need a bessa, thats already been discussed. But I just realised I have been using expired film (and expired bulk film) since I started on this forum.
Ash, you’re 19, you have a Leica, a Contax and a Rollei, young willing models….and now you want sympathy!!
;)
I see a Contax-I, bulk/expired film, and more music on my wants list, but not sympathy :D
Stephanie Brim
12-15-2006, 02:24
I recommend Evanescence's new CD. It's actually better than the last one.
I see a Contax-I, bulk/expired film, and more music on my wants list, but not sympathy :D
I assumed it was violin music
:angel:
I just got Jane's Addiction - Ritual De Lo Habitual in the post this morning. Evanescence wouldn't fit with my current palette I think :)
Violin music?? I'm a guitarist! :D
Violin music?? I'm a guitarist! :D[/QUOTE]
Blues?:D
Classical. Started 8 years ago.
6 years trained. 2 years out of practice.
Stephanie Brim
12-15-2006, 02:36
Never did get into Jane's Addiction. I think it's because my boyfriend and our best friends *hate* them.
I do, however, like me some System of a Down and Disturbed's new CD is better than their last one as well. I think it's just because Land of Confusion is one of my favorite songs ever, and the fact that they didn't butcher it sits well with me.
Other than that, I've been listening to Hinder and AFI. Oh, and various death metal on one of my friend's iPods. :)
darkkavenger
12-15-2006, 02:41
Let's get back to the original topic ? ;)
Death metal I can agree with you on. SOAD are cool for a glimpse back a few years before metal was dead. you should look into EveryTime I Die, Eighteen Visions, 36 Crazyfists. Scrap the Disturbed they're rubbish, grab yourself TOOL and APerfect Circle, Opeth, etc.
I love that people hate Jane's Addiction, underdog much?
Oh that's a point, if you like AFI you should really be getting into Placebo and Smashing Pumpkins considering they're 3 so closely linked by emo's.
Stephanie Brim
12-15-2006, 02:47
Pumpkins I've been listening to for a while...REM as well...and Tool, since before they were actually halfway mainstream...Chevelle...APC...Placebo...Kitty...Fl yleaf.
I believe I've listened to Everytime I Die, but I can't remember.
As to the Disturbed...listen to the Genesis classic as done by them and tell me they didn't do a good job with it. The video is also quite good. The song is very political. It was a good choice for a cover considering the current political climate in the US and the fight over whether or not the Iraqi war was warranted.
Then again, I'm also into some pop. I've been listening to more softer rock. And Weird Al. White and Nerdy, anyone? :D
Kim Coxon
12-15-2006, 02:52
Yes Let's!
If you want a music thread start one in the OT forum. ;)
Kim
Let's get back to the original topic ? ;)
ok ok back on topic, we get the message
;)
I don't have any lenses to offer, well I do actually but I want to keep them for myself...
However I can contribute 20 rolls of assorted 135, this'll be Provia400, APX100 some Tri-x, Agfa ultra 100, Delta 50 and Efke25. I will also pay for the post providing I get the address obviously. I will start packing it in later this evening and provide the exact assortment details here.
It will be sent the day the "winner" is chosen.
reub2000
12-15-2006, 03:55
Eh, me too. I have so much of it now that my drawers are overflowing...thinking I should give some of it away for Christmas.If it's Delta 100, Pan F plus, or similar films, I'd be more than happy to shoot it. Not that I really need it because my parents buy me anything I need for school. (Most of my B&W film has been used for school assignments.)
Anyone here listen to Spoon, The New Pornographers, or the Decemberists?
Oh, and where do I sign up for this range finder?
Pherdinand
12-15-2006, 05:00
Having several friends in Romania, interested in photography, i have a strange feeling w respect to this "need" for a Bessa-type rf.
Most of these people I know CANNOT afford to SHOOT FILM. On one hand buying film is a continuous expense, unless they only shoot 1-2 rolls a month (and that is NOT the point of this gift, i understand) - on the other hand, film processing is getting more and more difficult over there, more expensive, and less quality, so doing it themselves is the only way out. But this brings extra complications, since if you walk in a photography store there and ask for black and white film or developer, they will most probably look at you as you just dropped from the Moon. Kodak Gold 200 type films are still to be found, though.
Ordering via the Net is also very difficult - most people (certainly the ones that cannot afford such a camera) don't have a credit card. Paypal type countries do not work in such countries. Etc etc etc.
These people I know mostly work in something that gives them reach to a computer, and they prefer to have a digital camera (no,not the M8), that means practically no expenses when used. Only a few shots are printed, the rest are just "digitally enjoyed".
The moral of my story is, the people that are less fortunate financially, might find it problematic to regularly put a good film camera to use...
End note: For the above reasons, and depending on the outcome of this whole idea, I intend to add film material of value, say, 50$, to the Bessa, on my own expenses. No big deal, but it should be nice to have something ready to use in that camera.
Pherdinand
12-15-2006, 05:08
ah, i see Magnus was quicker. Anyhow.
Having several friends in Romania, interested in photography, i have a strange feeling w respect to this "need" for a Bessa-type rf.
Most of these people I know CANNOT afford to SHOOT FILM. On one hand buying film is a continuous expense, unless they only shoot 1-2 rolls a month (and that is NOT the point of this gift, i understand) - on the other hand, film processing is getting more and more difficult over there, more expensive, and less quality, so doing it themselves is the only way out....
Biggest problem in our eastern countries is shooting color film, because in almost every shop they dont make real prints from negative. they first scan film and then print those digital versions of photos , so you get photo that looks like it was taken with digital p&s. :( and if someone do it in old way its too expensive. thats why i only shoot bw(we still have one shop in belgrade with very cheap efke chemicals and cheap expired efke film ;) ).
you got it right Pherdinand, I'm thinking of leaving film for those reasons... finding some student job and buying the cheapest digital slr that i can found :)
just see this two images, developed and scanned in one lab (the best lab in town :) ) that i get 50% discount (because i'm a member of local photoclub), and that is the only reason i'm still shoting :) 2$ fore development per roll is quite nice...
link 1 (http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=51196&cat=500&ppuser=5189)
link 2 (http://www.klica.net/tempo/F1000028.jpg)
first one is superia (1 year expired), the second one is agfa vista (1/2 year expired)...
yes we have efke factory here, but for home developing i need to buy equipement and scanner... and that is more expensive than dslr
Igor.Burshteyn
12-15-2006, 05:45
This thread could make some good material for study on social networking. And I bet that "ironically unchallenged one" already updated his site :> If seriously contest purpose (as I understand it - to give away camera to someone who can not afford one) and contest implementation (popularity poll) simply don't quite match each other. So I am with raid here - I'd chose that "uknown stringer from war zone". And no, I am not familiar with one :)
Gabriel M.A.
12-15-2006, 09:29
Let's get back to the original topic ? ;)
You mean this isn't the "what are you listening to" thread? :o
Gabriel M.A.
12-15-2006, 09:37
I strongly agree with Jocko. I own more cameras than I need to take photos, and each of those has given out lovely photos, so what's the point in giving a camera to die-hards who are getting a camera or two every month?
With all due respect to every member who has been nominated as potentially eligible to receive such a wonderful gift, I think -that is my humble opinion- that people who are known for purchasing regularly gear (no matter if it's a soviet camera, for these are cameras, and fully working ones) should be eliminated from an eventual final choice.
I do not intend to bias anyone decision, this is just my way of seeing this. And ... I may decide to give out a camera (or two, or three) to anyone if I feel like doing that, and that the person is patient enough to allow me to have stable finances to ship it. :angel:
I'm thinking of throwing in a Kiev-4A with a 50/2 Jupiter-8M, and also of throwing in a Fed-5 body (yeah, i know, no sarcasm ok?;) it works!). And maybe a standalone Jupiter-8M in Kiev mount.
Exactly.
Which is why I restate my nomination for Lynn (two muses).
Darkavenger: verifie ton boite des PM
dazedgonebye
12-15-2006, 10:33
Having lived too good of a life, this sort of thing did not occur to me.
Thanks for the reminder of how well off many of us have it in our everyday lives. :angel:
Having several friends in Romania, interested in photography, i have a strange feeling w respect to this "need" for a Bessa-type rf.
Most of these people I know CANNOT afford to SHOOT FILM. On one hand buying film is a continuous expense, unless they only shoot 1-2 rolls a month (and that is NOT the point of this gift, i understand) - on the other hand, film processing is getting more and more difficult over there, more expensive, and less quality, so doing it themselves is the only way out. But this brings extra complications, since if you walk in a photography store there and ask for black and white film or developer, they will most probably look at you as you just dropped from the Moon. Kodak Gold 200 type films are still to be found, though.
Ordering via the Net is also very difficult - most people (certainly the ones that cannot afford such a camera) don't have a credit card. Paypal type countries do not work in such countries. Etc etc etc.
These people I know mostly work in something that gives them reach to a computer, and they prefer to have a digital camera (no,not the M8), that means practically no expenses when used. Only a few shots are printed, the rest are just "digitally enjoyed".
The moral of my story is, the people that are less fortunate financially, might find it problematic to regularly put a good film camera to use...
End note: For the above reasons, and depending on the outcome of this whole idea, I intend to add film material of value, say, 50$, to the Bessa, on my own expenses. No big deal, but it should be nice to have something ready to use in that camera.
Make sure all your nominations are posted in the names thread here:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32977
Soon I will close the thread so we can decide what to do next :)
Ash did not come out on Kim's 28th Oct Brum canal photo outing because he was doing non photo chores, - decorating his sisters bedroom. He regretted this bitterly afterwards.
Self sacrifice above and beyond the call of duty.
Santa only fills your stocking if you have been a good boy?
Noel
back alley
12-15-2006, 11:22
It's that time of the year when we are all in the good spirit of giving. That being the case, RFF along wit CameraQuest wish to give a new Bessa R3A to a deserving RFF member.
There are many photographers here on RFF that are genuinely excited about rangefinder photography and would just love to be shooting with a new camera. However, as we all know, cameras can be expensive and our priorities push the camera to the bottom of the list of things we want to buy. That is why the RFF members will decide who is deserving of a new rangefinder camera for Christmas this year. It is up to us to read the threads and identify who is that person who really wants to get involved with RF photography but has not yet had a chance. We are looking for those with failing cameras or no cameras at all. We are looking to make someone happy this Christmas. Although we would love to give a camera to everyone, the reality is that we can only give one camera away.
This is not a contest but simply a way of giving thanks to the members who make our community work. Lets start by getting a list of names going on this thread. We will then take the most commonly thought of names and place them in a poll. The members will then get a chance to cast their vote for the lucky winner.
Merry Christmas to all from RFF and Cameraquest.
hi-lites are mine...
PetarDima
12-15-2006, 16:39
Well, I saw this thread 10 minutes ago ... I don't know what to say ... here in Serbia many photographers think that shooting film is waisting money ... and they are buying digital cameras... this summer, first time in my life I have tried to do some b&w prints - than I understood words: dark room alchemy( Frank.S):rolleyes:
Merry Christmass to all. :)
Can't see any logic in giving an RF camera to some unknown in Baghdad. Even if we could find this person, giving him a professional looking camera will probably get him killed.
We're not going to save the world here. Let's give it to an RF member and be happy about it.
I agree 100% with Joes highlights on Jorges post, A deserving RFF member & a person with NO or a FAILING camera. If anyone wants to give a camera to a photographer in Iraq or where ever in the world then do it yourself or wait til after Christmas & talk to Jorge about it, but we all ought to respect the boss mans rules and make things less complicated. BTW this sounds like a worthy project for anyone fortunate enough to be in a area club.
dostacos
12-15-2006, 18:21
Charlie thats a wonderful gesture but aren't all industar lenses screw mount? It will need an adapter. That is if the lens will fit at all. Bessas are very peculiar that way. But i'm not 100% sure either.
I presume this is aimed at me, {Dan} and I have no problems with adding a M mount on the lens when I send it.....:D
I'm sure the person signed his name Charlie, but the main reason I said it was that not all non voightlander lenses will fit on bessas and you wouldn't won't to give a lens that wasn't compatable, thats all.Went back & checked and your right .You were quoting Charlie. my mistake...sorry
hmm...who here doesn't have a camera, or one that's all busted up?
Hmmmm There is a huge scratch on the bottom plate of my black paint MP and my M4 is old and worn by now......
Noel, I'm surprised you remembered! I also refrained from shooting a roll the other day cos I was moving a huge desk single-handed from my room into my mum's new study! *flex's non-existent muscles* :D :D
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=442445
caffeineshutter
12-17-2006, 17:51
I would nominate myself, as it was apparent last night at a Christmas party that the RF on my existing camera (35RC) is so dim that it's difficult to focus.
Merry Christmas & happy holidays all.
-CJ
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