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ORBITALBOX
11-22-2006, 09:39
I am saying, "No, all rangefinders have hotshoes for external flash..."

She says, "Yes dear, I've seen one but forget the name..."

So, all RF enthusiasts reading, name that one rangefinder with a built-in flash. Anyone?
Gabriel M.A.
11-22-2006, 09:46
If you consider the Fuji Natura as a rangefinder camera, then that'd be one...
ORBITALBOX
11-22-2006, 09:55
Nah, it has to be manual/rangefinder focus- matching two images forming one. (She's not getting of that easy:mad:).
rogue_designer
11-22-2006, 10:02
well - the olympus XA has a semi-built in (screws onto the side of the camera, but is pretty seamless).
oscroft
11-22-2006, 10:03
I am saying, "No, all rangefinders have hotshoes for external flash..."
The Olympus XA hasn't (It has a dedicated add-on flash that kind of looks like a built-in one when it's attached)
ClaremontPhoto
11-22-2006, 10:12
Yasuhara T012 http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=251

Edit: The links there don't work. If you're interested look in the Lomo shop.
http://shop.lomography.com/yasuhara/
jlw
11-22-2006, 10:12
I am saying, "No, all rangefinders have hotshoes for external flash..."

She says, "Yes dear, I've seen one but forget the name..."

So, all RF enthusiasts reading, name that one rangefinder with a built-in flash. Anyone?


I'm stumped in thinking of an RF with a built-in flash, but am emphatic that NOT all RFs have hotshoes for external flash!

The hot shoe is a relatively recent invention; the vast majority of RF cameras have had flash sync via a separate PC outlet, ASA flash contact, external synchronizer, or no sync at all.

So, she's wrong, but if it makes her feel any better, you can tell her you were wrong, too.


[I do have a recollection of a '50s camera by either Voigtlander or Dacora that had a built-in electronic flash... one of the earliest such... but my recollection also is that it focused by scale rather than via an optical rangefinder. Can anyone think of the exact model name of the camera I've got in mind? It's going to drive me crazy all afternoon otherwise...]
rogue_designer
11-22-2006, 10:16
there was the Yashica Flash-O-Set that had a built in bulb flash too - I don't know if that was scale focus or RF - but it was the same size and profile as the lynx/minister cameras.
jlw
11-22-2006, 10:47
Yasuhara T012 http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=251

Edit: The links there don't work. If you're interested look in the Lomo shop.
http://shop.lomography.com/yasuhara/

Ah, I should have known that if anyone would do it, it would be Yasuhara!

Way to go with that link, Claremont -- I now have an insane desire to buy one of the dratted things...
anandi
11-22-2006, 10:54
Canon A35F (not AF35 I think). Manual focus RF camera. Reasonably good optics about the size of a QL17 GIII, only came in all black. My first real camera.
rxmd
11-22-2006, 11:09
The Vivitar 742XL is a completely underrated rangefinder with built-in flash and a fast 24/f1.9 lens, for 110 film. Two were recently not sold on eBay, auctions #120052004452 and #160053478918 with pictures. Get them while you can. ;)

I'm not sure if the Kodak Ektramax had a rangefinder. Could be.

For 35mm, there's the already mentioned Yasuhara T012 at the lomography shop: link (http://shop.lomography.com/go/?where=shop&pro=ya2)

Philipp
jlw
11-22-2006, 11:18
That Vivitar is a cool-looking little camera, and from the pix in the auction listings it certainly looks as if it MIGHT have a rangefinder.

However, the following Photo.net post says it does not:

http://photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00HgOO&tag=

Anyone know for sure?
tostel
11-22-2006, 11:22
Voigtlander vf 35 f...google it. I bought one from Flashover last summer.

Tostel
rxmd
11-22-2006, 11:32
That Vivitar is a cool-looking little camera, and from the pix in the auction listings it certainly looks as if it MIGHT have a rangefinder.

However, the following Photo.net post says it does not: [...]

http://www.subclub.org/shop/vivitar.htm says it does, focusing from two feet to infinity. The info there is usually pretty precise.

I'm still looking for one in my more immediate surroundings. If I get one, I can tell you :)
KoNickon
11-22-2006, 12:36
The Konica C35EF was the first such camera on the market (1976, I think).
flashover
11-22-2006, 13:21
Voigtlander vf 35 f...google it. I bought one from Flashover last summer.

Tostel

I was looking for a photo but I must of deleted it. Yep it's a real rangefinder and has a built in flash.
fishtek
11-22-2006, 17:01
Dunno the model, but a relative has a Voightlander that uses 126 film, and has a receptacle for a flashcube on the top left corner.
ORBITALBOX
11-24-2006, 01:14
Yasuhara T012 http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=251

Edit: The links there don't work. If you're interested look in the Lomo shop.
http://shop.lomography.com/yasuhara/

DAMN, there is one with a flash! What is this world coming to, a RF with flash?! Thanks, it is a beautiful camera, and from LOMO, too, wow.
ChrisPlatt
11-24-2006, 15:30
Just prior to the introduction of autofocus several
major Japanese camera manufacturers offered a
35mm rangefinder with built-in electronic flash;
Minolta, Konica, and Ricoh to name a few.
Most were less desirable simplified models.
These turn up fairly regularly on eBay...

Chris
ully
11-29-2006, 09:08
:rolleyes:Olympus 2020.
schow
11-29-2006, 10:02
Canon A35F (not AF35 I think). Manual focus RF camera. Reasonably good optics about the size of a QL17 GIII, only came in all black. My first real camera.

Yep, this is a good camera. First one I ever learned one, which probably explains my RF infatuation. As far as I can tell, it's a Canonet 28 with a flash that resides behind the "F" in this pic. Sorry as I don' t have a pic with the flash out ready to play.

http://static.flickr.com/43/123920549_686922eaeb.jpg