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Crasis
10-23-2006, 12:14
Consider this the uncyclopedia of buying camera goods. Feel free to add your own interpretations or suggest changes to the current ones and I'll edit them if I find them more amusing. Note: If they fit with the current phrases, use a current phrase with your definition.

Also, feel free to discuss, vent and generally break down crying.


General/Camera specific:

New in a box - Your only hope is that the previous user turned the box every month to move around the lubrication.

Mint - It's been tried out, possibly with a roll of film, so at least you know it worked at one time.

Mint minus - Minus your money, into their mint.

Excellent plus - Better than excellent, for the seller, since you'll pay more.

Excellent - Average. The most sensible choice which you will obviously ignore for something worse.

In great shape - Well, I suppose it IS a shape... and it is great... if it were modern art... (comp_wiz101)

Poor - See user. The dents add character and act as water caches for the rainy season.

Just CLA'd - Imagine a plumber using a hammer instead of a wrench; using a knife instead of a toothpick. That's what most repair people will do to your camera.

User - Used, very likely abused, and very likely repaired by someone inept.
- used by someone who had hammers instead of hands (Toby)

Small dents - Clutzy is trying to sell you their mistake.

Shutter speeds sound right - They make a sound. It's supposed to do that, right?

Fully functional with signs of wear - Will fall apart after the 7 day return period.

Camera worked well the last time I used it - It is not working now. (ray_g)

No battery to check meter - meter is dead. (ray_g)

I am not knowledgeable about cameras - don't complain to me when you get the item. (ray_g)

Sold As-is - you deserve what you will get if you buy this. (ray_g)
- Don't trust me. I don't trust myself.

Spares or Repair - there may be one part you can salvage, possibly a logo. (markinlondon)



Lens specific:

Cleaning marks - A small pebble, moved around the lens with a cleaning cloth. No, they're not scratches!

Haze - Too many people reproducing in the lens. Do you really want to touch that?

Fungus - The kind that grows in apartments can kill people. This lens wants its life back.

Scratches - Oops! That was the edge of the table, wasn't it?

Focusing is stiff - Most likely dropped, and dropped hard.
- Has been stored in a damp cellar (markinlondon)

Does not show up in pictures - Warning: May cause flare, fogging, loss of resolution, loss of contrast, and Herpes type II.

ray_g
10-23-2006, 12:21
Camera worked well the last time I used it - It is not working now.

No battery to check meter - meter is dead.

I am not knowledgeable about cameras - don't complain to me when you get the item.

Sold As-is - you deserve what you will get if you buy this.

markinlondon
10-23-2006, 12:22
Near Mint - was close to mint some time in the past

Spares or Repair - there may be one part you can salvage, possibly a logo

Focussing is stiff - has been stored underwater in a damp cellar

Kim Coxon
10-23-2006, 12:27
Should be OK with minor attention = It's a box of bits.

Kim

KoNickon
10-23-2006, 12:31
The knobs and levers seem to work as they should -- The rewind lever turns properly.

This camera is in great shape! -- It's dead as a doornail, but looks nice.

telenous
10-23-2006, 12:42
absolutely fully functional condition, with slight signs of wear -- this lens has been so abused it is difficult to believe it is still in one piece. However you may still use it. For photos too.

Crasis
10-23-2006, 12:45
Excellent stuff guys. I've been taking some of your descriptions as is, and incorporating others into a more general form. Vent! Vent!

adep
10-23-2006, 13:03
Small dent in the lens rim: http://tinyurl.com/yn9su5

FrankS
10-23-2006, 13:11
I recently read someone describing his equipment for sale as MINT PLUS. What's up with that? How can it be better than mint?

Crasis
10-23-2006, 13:21
adep: Hah.. HAhaHAHAHAAHHA That's what I'm talking about! Small dent my ass.

And FrankS, mint plus? What the ****? I can't even fathom that being sensical in any way!

adep
10-23-2006, 13:41
adep: Hah.. HAhaHAHAHAAHHA That's what I'm talking about! Small dent my ass.

Despite actually describing that as a "small dent," to their credit, they actually provided an in focus photo of the lens!

Rafael
10-23-2006, 13:44
I recently read someone describing his equipment for sale as MINT PLUS. What's up with that? How can it be better than mint?


It's much like the effort so often described by the phrase "giving 110%."

adep
10-23-2006, 13:49
It's much like the effort so often described by the phrase "giving 110%."

Ah, so "mint plus" = 110% of original condition. Must be worth paying extra for!

peterc
10-23-2006, 14:05
How can it be better than mint?
It comes with a mint?

Peter

rbiemer
10-23-2006, 18:44
I recently read someone describing his equipment for sale as MINT PLUS. What's up with that? How can it be better than mint?
The previous owner spilled chocolate syrup inside the camera.

I kind of like the "L@@K!!! VERY RARE!!!" FSU cameras that have the buy it now price of US$12...
Rob

mountainrivera
10-23-2006, 18:58
I always like, "works like new" which means it works but looks like it was run over by a mini van.

Kat
10-24-2006, 07:39
How about "Just needs a little cleaning"...

Toby
10-24-2006, 07:51
"user" condition - used by someone who had hammers instead of hands

drewbarb
10-24-2006, 08:11
"Looks ok; mechanics are perfect" = looks beat to death, but somehow still basically functions, if you are nice to it.

comp_wiz101
10-24-2006, 08:24
"In great shape" - Well, I suppose it IS a shape... and it is great... if it were modern art...

venchka
10-24-2006, 08:36
My all-time ebay favorite, repeated for several rangefinder and SLR fixed focal length lenses:

"When you turn the ring on the lens, the lens gets longer. It must be zooming ok."

The flip side of the unknowing sellers are the ones who list a particular camera and fail to mention the lens that is included. I've seen Summiluxs on M bodies and a Canon FD 55mm 1:1.2 S.S.C. lens on an AE-1 body. Both were nearly covered by ever ready cases. Neither were mentioned so a search wouldn't reveal them. An eagle eye is always good.

Keith
10-24-2006, 08:50
"This was my father's camera."

(He gets released from San Quentin in 2013)

:angel:

BillBingham2
10-24-2006, 08:53
Sharp and snappy focus – aperture blades have oil all over them

B2 (;->

Ash
10-24-2006, 08:58
mint plus, and 110% works on the same maths as this:

Ever wonder about those people who say they are giving more than 100%? We have all been to those meetings where someone wants over 100%. How about achieving 103%? Here's a little math that might prove helpful. What makes life 100%?

If...A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
is represented as:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26.

Then,
H A R D W O R K

Totals 8 1 18 4 23 15 18 11 (=98%)

K N O W L E D G E

Totals: 11 14 15 23 12 5 4 7 5 (= 96%)

But,

A T T I T U D E
Totals: 1 20 20 9 20 21 4 5 (=100%)

And,

B U L L S H I T

Totals: 2 21 12 12 19 8 9 20 (=103%}

So, it stands to reason that hardwork and knowledge will get
you close, attitude will get you there, but bull**** will put you over the top.

And look how far A S S K I S S I N G will take you:

1 19 19 11 9 19 19 9 14 7 (=118%)

Keith
10-24-2006, 09:02
mint plus, and 110% works on the same maths as this:

Ash,

You are sharper than a freshly cla'd Summicron!

:D :D :D

Ash
10-24-2006, 09:09
oh oh, has anyone said this one?

I'm selling this for a friend - I stole this from a friend

Kim Coxon
10-24-2006, 09:09
That reminds me of the other one:

I always give 110% at work -

10% on Monday
30% on Tuesday
40% on Wednesday
25% on Thursday
and 5% on Friday

:D

Kim

Ash
10-25-2006, 13:34
True story:

Leica M4 chrome body (No.1270081) with original Leitz seal, body cap, instructions, Indes of Agencies & plastic wrapping, card box & outer paper wrapping, all with matching serial number stickers

Mint-/Exc++ 96%. Beautiful, new looking overall condition. Collectable condition, the only mark is slight shine near one strap lug. All working, slow speeds faulty. Box, instr all 94%. All working

No lie!