View Full Version : M8: the ultimate pictures (LCD!)
OK it's getting a bit obsessive, but here are the pictures of the LCD. You can see the menu etc.
Thanks to another French website www.macandphoto.com (http://www.macandphoto.com/2006/09/prise_en_main_d.html)
manukiev4 from Summilux.net, thank you too!
Stop it now, there's no more!
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32638&d=1158095148
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32639&d=1158095157
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32641&d=1158095240
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32643&d=1158095271
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32648&d=1158095437
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32647&d=1158095425
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32649&d=1158095446
erikhaugsby
09-12-2006, 13:18
Yes, but is the baseplate still removable? :D:D
Is it smaller than the M7 or does the guy in the pics have big hands? (just wondering..)
Is it smaller than the M7 or does the guy in the pics have big hands? (just wondering..)
Dude!! That's what I was just saying to myself!
I hope to the supreme being (whoever that is to you) that everyone gets one so the prices of M2-M3-M4-M4P-M6-M7-MP's are within my poverty living standards.
The protruding lens release button might play havoc with large diameter LTM lenses. The Canon 50/0.95 conversion comes to mind immediately. The only reason that lens works now is because the current M release button is nearly flush with the body. Hmmmmmmmmmm.................
Dude!!
I hope to the supreme being (whoever that is to you) that everyone gets one so the prices of M2-M3-M4-M4P-M6-M7-MP's are within my poverty living standards.
Eric, I think we're a bunch to hope that happens! :)
I've already got a beautiful M2, but my ultimate dream is ... no not the M8 ... but the MP (current version of course).
Marc
god bless those frogs.
the lens release button looks the same.
the blue dot is lit in the pic where's he's pushing the shutter button. maybe it's lit all the time when the camera is turned on. that's not very discreet. :(
Can it load APX100 and TriX?
Mark Norton
09-12-2006, 13:57
Is it smaller than the M7 or does the guy in the pics have big hands? (just wondering..)
Don't know about the sizeof his hands but he obviously chews his nails. Disgusting habit. Just like the UK's Prime Minister in waiting, Gordon Brown.
SolaresLarrave
09-12-2006, 14:01
Which blue button?
Why am I staring at these pics? I just purchased chemicals for film processing...
Nice looking camera... especially for what it signals: a drop in price of other M bodies.
Can't wait to see what happens when the M9 hits the streets. :)
god bless those frogs.
LOL :D Let say it's a compliment... ;)
Just wanted to underline that RFF was the very first website in the whole world (and the whole universe, we can say that) to release the pictures of the M8!
So ... thank you Jorge!
Marc
Yes, but is the baseplate still removable? :D:D
There are not pictures of the bottom yet.
I would like to see one.
The lens in the pictures is not the 28/2,8 ASPH, but the old 28/2,8.
The lens of the video IS the new ASPH version!!!!
Gabriel M.A.
09-12-2006, 14:22
Yes, but is the baseplate still removable? :D:D
I'm not kidding when I say this, but somebody who handled it first hand told me (honest) that you remove the bottom plate for the memory card and the battery.
I thought that was funny...somewhat; not entirely in a "ha ha" way. I'd like to see exactly how, though. We'll see. :cool:
mc_vancouver
09-12-2006, 14:26
This is soft porn at its finest. It is sobering to think that this desirable camera is worth more than my car. (which rules that trade out!) Oh well...I'm hoping that a great many Leica users who cannot afford to have several bodies will flood the market with good used MP's and M7's and M6's and we who cannot afford, or don't want, an M8, can finally realize our dreams, our fantasies when we drift off to sleep thinking about bodies...not of beautiful women (or men) but of Leicas!
MelanieC
09-12-2006, 14:36
I've already got a beautiful M2, but my ultimate dream is ... no not the M8 ... but the MP (current version of course).
Me too!
Think prices will go down? Unfortunately the only thing I have that might be worth enough to cover the price of an MP is one of my dogs, and she ain't going anywhere.
In this guy's hand.. the M8 looks more like a Minox..
OK I haven't been following the discussion of "what's this button? what's that knob? etc.," Forgive me if this is well known. What is that circle on top of the camera above the VF? TIA.
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That is the counter for the # of shots remaining...
I hope it will display the ISO speed as well.
This is soft porn at its finest. It is sobering to think that this desirable camera is worth more than my car. (which rules that trade out!) Oh well...I'm hoping that a great many Leica users who cannot afford to have several bodies will flood the market with good used MP's and M7's and M6's and we who cannot afford, or don't want, an M8, can finally realize our dreams, our fantasies when we drift off to sleep thinking about bodies...not of beautiful women (or men) but of Leicas!
that's true! one trick of the salesman is to put the product in your hands. it's a well know ebay secret that posting pictures of items (cameras) in the hands can help increase sales. This is driving me nuts! I want one!
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telenous
09-12-2006, 14:47
It's a beautiful camera. The quest for an MP begins, now.
Marc, thanks for the photos.
Gabriel M.A.
09-12-2006, 14:49
LOL :D Let say it's a compliment... ;)
Good for you, Marc. You didn't have to quip back something about their dental plan :angel:
Gabriel M.A.
09-12-2006, 14:52
This is soft porn at its finest.
It is a French site... ;)
Why is it when I hear "soft porn" I always think "Red Shoe Diaries"; I never even saw a single one of those episodes. Go figure.
Beautiful. I wish I could afford one...
Odd ISOs settings and not 1/3 stops increments... hope other settiings are hidden somewhere in the menu...
Notice that it says:" lens detection activated". That means it can be switched off! :) And look at the circles on the camera. It has been compressed horizontally on resizing. That is why it looks high and narrow.
Hmm, this camera looks suspiciously like the one Jorge posted pictures of. Guess he was right. . . .
rs
yeah, but you have to admit, better quality images would have helped. :D
OK I haven't been following the discussion of "what's this button? what's that knob? etc.," Forgive me if this is well known. What is that circle on top of the camera above the VF? TIA.
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nevermind, found out. thanks.
:o
back alley
09-12-2006, 18:37
It is a French site... ;)
Why is it when I hear "soft porn" I always think "Red Shoe Diaries"; I never even saw a single one of those episodes. Go figure.
i don't think i missed one;)
Terence T
09-12-2006, 18:40
Can get a better idea of its size from this video... this is a repost since it was getting lost in the other M8 thread.
View Video Here (http://www.lightmediation.com/blog/index.php?2006/09/06/25-leica-m8-digital-numerique-exclusif)
I hate the shutter sound.
Basically, after all the fuss, it looks like a nice, solid, practical camera for those of us who need to shoot digital and prefer to use an RF. Can't help thinking that unprotected LCD is going to pick up a lot of scratches and nose prints, though! If I suddenly had a spare $5000 and were able to buy one of these, I expect my first act would be to run to the auto-supply store and buy some "headlight protection film" to stick over it.
As a left-eyed shooter, I would agree, nose prints galore, but that's life. I have the same problem with the DMR. It is good to keep in mind that the LCD is just for review and information, not to look at the picture as a final product. Anyway, I think this is quite an accomplishment. If you compare this camera to its DSLR equivalents (not just the DMR and 1DsII), it is much, much smaller, especially if you include the lenses in the equation. At 1500 dollars more than the film version, I think the pricing is pretty good too. I know many will disagree, but if you compare it to the top of the line Canon and Nikon offerings, the pricing is in the same league. Yes, it may have a slight crop factor and a few less megapixels, but it also has a much smaller form factor and very different engineering obstacles to overcome. The DMR produces truly superb results, so if the M8 is able to equal or exceed the standard the DMR sets, I think there are going to be a number of happy Leica users. The higher ISO is promising as well. The DMR only offers ISO 1600 reluctantly (it is a custom function and called ISO push), so if the M8 offers ISO 2500 without any sort of hurdles, I would take that to mean it has better high ISO performance. That can only be a good thing. I have also heard that there are many M8's ready to go, so the initial supply problems of the DMR will probably not be repeated (thank heavens...I waited months for my DMR even though I was Tony Roses 2nd customer in line).
Anyway, I am very excited.
gustav[] pEña
09-12-2006, 19:36
its so small, so lovely. I think im falling in love again.
herbkell@shaw.c
09-12-2006, 19:46
Good looking camera about what I expected. We will have to wait and see how friendly the user interface of the menus and buttons are but they can't be worse than the Canon 1DII series bodies which basically require three hands to do many functions,
Am I alone in being much less concerned about how the camera looks and more concerned about how the pictures it takes look?? That milestone which we should reach on Friday is really what I have been waiting for. I sincerely hope it justifies my selling the M7 and adding a bunch more hard earned after tax dollars to pre order one of these babies
BillBingham2
09-12-2006, 19:46
It does seem shockingly small. Might make me sell a lot of film stuff. No, need to resist the LAS, I got three already, must be strong......
B2 (;->
Terence T
09-12-2006, 19:50
Check out the video in post #35, it's not any smaller than a M7.
I can't believe this...everyone is drooling over this digicam! People talking about selling all their Leica M bodies to by this thing! Oh well. I've always wanted a Leica. Seems that I might find some previously impossible prices on M7s and M3s in coming months.
Harry Lime
09-12-2006, 23:11
It looks great.
My IIIc just came back from getting serviced and I shot a roll with it today.
Love that camera. It's like a little jewel.
It's strange. We've a come a very long way since my IIIc left the factory in 1945, but sitting here looking at the M8 pictures, it looks like it would fit like an old glove.
Nachkebia
09-13-2006, 00:06
It's a beautiful camera. The quest for an MP begins, now.
Marc, thanks for the photos.
Let`s do it :)
telenous
09-13-2006, 00:38
Let`s do it :)
Do you know, the furore for the M8 wells up in me GAS...for the MP. It really does. Strange but true. To get one I will most probably have to cull my last SLR. Hmmmm...
http://www.freewebdesign.be/smileys/images/party/party-smiley-020.gif
Nachkebia
09-13-2006, 01:00
telenous : same here, I am on the edge selling FM3a...
telenous
09-13-2006, 01:16
http://www.freewebdesign.be/smileys/images/party/party-smiley-020.gif
LOL!! Dancing smilies. Excellent Jaap ;)
Ah, what to do, what do? My girlfriend will NEVER understand why I *need* an MP. It's good that you guys know why, and that proves beyond any reasonable doubt that I am rational. And mentally sane. And not in the slightest fetishistic. God, she *is* going to grill me.
Nachkebia
09-13-2006, 01:21
telenous : My wife actualy understands why I want MP! I think she wants it too!! :D anyhow she even said I can buy M8 if I want, but I said it is not a full frame so I don`t need it :D
LOL!! Dancing smilies. Excellent Jaap ;)
Ah, what to do, what do? My girlfriend will NEVER understand why I *need* an MP. It's good that you guys know why, and that proves beyond any reasonable doubt that I am rational. And mentally sane. And not in the slightest fetishistic. God, she *is* going to grill me.
I feel for you, Alkis, the same will happen to me for the M8...But you are perfectly sane about the MP :) I will NOT trade in my M6, nor will I sell off my stock of Kodachrome. I want it all ;)
Is there any definitive news on the blue dot? Is it a light sensor to calculate lens aperture?
How strange it would be if our guesses from all those months ago turned out to be true for once...
On another note, I got a payment through in dollars yesterday - i get it exchanged into sterling by a specialist company, and the rate seems to have tanked since my last payment in the fall. If Leica are holding firm to their dollar price it will cost 'em. and likewise, it might be worth Europeans looking at buying from America...
I am fairly sure that it is the white-balance window.
Why they didn't introduce white-balance detector into the finder then? Less chance for it to be blocked that way, no?
The Digilux2 had it seperate as well, despite having a electronic VF which would have made it even simpler to pull WB information. I suppose they want as wide an angle as possible for the incident light. Come to think of it, I read somewhere else that the WB sensor would be hidden behind the silver edge of the viewfinder. In that case - who knows what the blue spot is for... Maybe it is as banal as the LED for the self-timer. I noticed a number of German electronic products sporting blue LED's where they used to be red lately. I still find it unlikely that there would be an aperture estimating gizmo, although it would be technically possible. (I suggested it more than a year ago ;)) but I think the inexact nature of it will not appeal to the Heinzelmännchen in Solms.
It's a beautiful machine. Wish I had $5000. I guess I'll be sticking to my Nikon digital system for now... stashing the money I had for a film RF away until the CV/Zeiss digital comes out, hopefully slightly cheaper. :)
lovelyleica
09-13-2006, 05:47
Body list price in Switzerland will be : 6700 CHF with taxes = 6227 CHF without taxes =
3933 euros = 4994 $
At 1500 dollars more than the film version, I think the pricing is pretty good too.
But that's only because Leica charges an arm n' leg for their film bodies to begin with. So it being $1500 more than the film body doesn't really tell us anything.
ffttklackdedeng
09-13-2006, 06:45
.. who knows what the blue spot is for... Maybe it is as banal as the LED for the self-timer. I noticed a number of German electronic products sporting blue LED's where they used to be red lately. I still find it unlikely that there would be an aperture estimating gizmo, although it would be technically possible. (I suggested it more than a year ago ;)) but I think the inexact nature of it will not appeal to the Heinzelmännchen in Solms.
Did you notice the EV value below the shutter speed in the first picture of the back (with histogramm etc)? :eek:
Gabriel M.A.
09-13-2006, 06:58
I am fairly sure that it is the white-balance window.
You mean it's not an alien tracking device? Or a laser pointer for gallery presentations?
Yep, looks like it could be a WB aide sensor.
Gabriel M.A.
09-13-2006, 07:00
But that's only because Leica charges an arm n' leg for their film bodies to begin with. So it being $1500 more than the film body doesn't really tell us anything.
Yes, it tells us that the new components and cost of new internal design is about $1000-1500 more to the consumer.
Gabriel M.A.
09-13-2006, 07:03
i don't think i missed one;)
lol - I won't ask.
For those that shoot with your left eye. The camera is small enought to hold upside down :)
Did you notice the EV value below the shutter speed in the first picture of the back (with histogramm etc)? :eek:
EV 0. Probably the correction...
ffttklackdedeng
09-13-2006, 08:56
EV 0. Probably the correction...
Yeah, you're right.. would be a false value for the picture otherwise.. :(
Gabriel M.A.
09-13-2006, 09:01
For those that shoot with your left eye. The camera is small enought to hold upside down :)
whatchatalkinabout, Jorge? ;) All I'd have to worry about is putting nose oil all over the screen. But I've got spare LCD covers. People laugh at me when they see the "plastic" on the 20D and Rebel screens, until I explain to them that us left-eyed people are neglected in the right-eye-dominated camera-design world.
Fastfashn
09-13-2006, 09:08
Jorge, two years ago you were saying about the DMR, "too little too late". Not saying that about the M, hmmm?
It does look quite small, unless the person's hands are on the large side
Mark Norton
09-13-2006, 16:14
It's the same size as an M7, just a few mm thicker. Just like we've always been expecting.
i dont think leica charges an arm and a leg for their cameras, they are very finely made (have you seen the prices of swiss watches lately?). its the price of luxury, and a leica is a very practical luxury because it is something we as photographers will love and charish for a long time. i can only afford a bessa for now and even that seemed expensive at the time. hope leica will still be making film cameras for a long time, though i dont mind buying used.
mc_vancouver
09-14-2006, 06:49
I can't believe this...everyone is drooling over this digicam! People talking about selling all their Leica M bodies to by this thing! Oh well. I've always wanted a Leica. Seems that I might find some previously impossible prices on M7s and M3s in coming months.
Me too: although I would actually like to go digital, not for all work but to get with the 21st century, as I do not yet own any digital camera, I feel the first thing I'll do is hunt around for some good bargains on M series cameras that people are selling to buy the M8.
Andy
The hands are clearly those of a deformed female dwarf (who bites her nails) and this is not a real M8 it is too ugly this is the miniturised commerative M8.
Noel
Here the official pictures ! Strangely, the one of the bottom is missing...
Ciao, Luigi
http://www.leicatime.com/M8blackFrontOfficial.jpg
http://www.leicatime.com/M8blackBackOfficial.jpg
http://www.leicatime.com/M8blackTopOfficial.jpg
All that said folks, what will be of interest to me is how the thing handles the lenses. Will the sensor and all the stuff that unscrambles the mess that comes from them? (The clever bit in digital cameras is the processing algorythms that make some sense of what the sensors produce - remember these things were originally designed for thermal imaging and have been co-opted into their current role. As far as the sensors are concerned in an ideal world you would not want to start from here!)
Will that wonderful sparkle, that depth, almost 3d feel be captured? If so Leica are onto a winner. If the results are as flat and bland as most digital cameras, why bother?
It will also be interesting to see how the camera handles subtle tones. It will be interesting to see in what direction Leica have gone with those sorts of aspects. Many digital cameras make a terrible mess of skin tones and it requires some very carefully captured files and some superskilled retouchers to get the results one sees in fashion magazines. In the hands of your average wedding snapper the results are breathtakingly bad. That said the 39MP Hasselblad H2 has had some good things said about it as regards skin tones - however for the same price you could buy a lifetime's supply of film!
Can't wait for the reviews!
Hi guys, hi moderators, hi Jorge,
Since the M8 has been officially announced (or will be in a minute), maybe it's time to close this thread or remove it from news. I saw hundreds of new threads on the M8 today. Let's move on ... :)
Best,
Marc
John Robertson
09-15-2006, 18:53
Seems to have a lot in common with the new Panasonic Lumix slr, including a metal blade shutter:rolleyes:
I won't be around to see it but, I can't see owners enthusing about it in the same way as an M2/3 in fifty years time.:angel:
John Robertson
09-16-2006, 03:55
Had a look at the new stuff on the leica homesite, this brings back memories of minolta/leica tie up in the 70's. Leica versions of Panasonic cameras simply rebadged. Will we see a Panasonic M8, just like se saw a Minolta CL. We all know where that debacle ended. The first 100% German digital camera!! Oh really, including the chips and the metal shutter, who ARE they kidding!!!
Mark Norton
09-16-2006, 23:51
Positive as ever, I see, John.
John Robertson
09-17-2006, 11:06
Positive as ever, I see, John.
Nah! just realistic. I'll stick with my Panasonic digithing.:p
At least I won't have paid over the odds for it!!
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