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I dont mean to stir up anymore controversy. However, for those that have questions about this photo published. Keep this in mind.
Chrtistian Erhardt received an internal email just recently titled:
FYI - M8 Pictures online.EML
And another with "Unbelievable"
Chrtistian Erhardt received an internal email just recently titled:
FYI - M8 Pictures online.EML
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Your going to reveal your source if your not more discrete. Talk about the Mother of all NDA violations.
Rex
Well, leica and RFF are two separate entities with no agreements between them of any kind.
SolaresLarrave
08-28-2006, 10:02
Come on... this is just gossip.
Well, leica and RFF are two separate entities with no agreements between them of any kind.
Yes, but it's always wise to protect your sources if you want them to keep being sources.
There's a reason a little bird told you, rather than a real person!
zanydave
08-28-2006, 10:55
If it was going to look so much like the M7, why all the secrecy?
I honestly think it wil look a lot different to the photo's we have seen.
Dave.
Well, leica and RFF are two separate entities with no agreements between them of any kind.
Not you, Jorge. Your the intrepid investigative reporter in this story.... the veritable Bob Woodward of underworld of Leica marketing. Just be careful about unintentionally revealing your "deep throat" .
Rex
Mark Norton
08-28-2006, 11:06
All this just builds my respect for Sean Reid who I feel sure has had full access to the camera but who is absolutely whiter than white in terms of respecting his NDA - even to the point of never admitting it exists.
The whole reveal is just tawdry, gutter journalism. Jorge, I expect you have kissed goodbye to any cooperation you might have been hoping for from them with your hare-brained lens coding scheme.
It does appear that the rules of this forum do not extend to respecting someone else's NDA.
Mark Norton
08-28-2006, 11:09
Presumably, if Jorge has access to Christian Erhardt's emails, his mole has hacked into Leica's email server, maybe one of their IT people. I feel someone's job is on the line here.
Mackinaw
08-28-2006, 11:09
I'm in the camp who thinks the pictures Jorge posted during the weekend are largely correct. I just don't think that Leica would deviate all that much from the traditonal M styling. Why would they? Why change something that has worked well for over 50 years?
Jim Bielecki
It does appear that the rules of this forum do not extend to respecting someone else's NDA.
Once again, no one, including Leica, expects the RFF forum to "respect" someone elses NDA.
Once again,,, ITS SOMEONE ELSE'S NDA! :bang:
Jeesh!!
sorry for yelling
Rex
I've never seen such self "respect" for protecting a company's secrets, heh. The job of journalists IS to break through NDAs. Geez. Information wants to be free. It's the company's job to prevent leaks. There's no moral issue here, which half you people think seems to exist. Probably the same people who flipped out when the NSA wiretapping program was disclosed, blaming the press for "letting the terrorists win."
Damn the NDAs, full speed ahead!
shutterflower
08-28-2006, 11:50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jorge Torralba
Finder,
"the thread with the picture was viewed 11,874 before I temprarily put the locks on it. I'm sure that it was viewd on other sites just as many times if not more. Out of all the numerous posts you were the only one I saw that had issues with the ethics of showing the camera.
Releasing photos like this to the public is the nature of the game. Nobody omplained about the Canon5D pictures floating around months before its release. If a camera manufacturer does not want pictures of their gear shown to the public than they would not make any available. regardless, I am done for now. I am waiting for some additional photos of other leica digital products which will be exciting to users. "
benefits of having your new product in the press (in images and reviews) long before its official release :
1. Build a drooling market. This is just like the smell of dinner before it's served. It gets the mouth to watering.
2. Watch how the market reacts to the images and comments - use this to devise a more accurate marketing strategy.
3. Watch for ideas on peripheral products such as cases, lenses, finders, whatever.
4. Understand the most interested markets - know where your best bets will be come release time.
Such leaks only serve to bolster the market readiness. They set the market up for buy-mode long before it would have been otherwise. This ensures that people will have done a great deal of thinking and talking before the release date and that they are likely to be in buyitnow mode sooner.
There are ZERO negative effects to early leaks of accurate inside information of the marketing variety. What you DON'T want are shots of failed prototypes or other innacurate pieces of information that might set a potential market on a less than positive path. You don't want people posting false images and reviews that might sway potential buyers into the arms of a competitor.
Once you have your product ready to go to market (at least to be photographed), you should make every effort to get word out ASAP - this just helps keep your customers on the line.
AndyPiper
08-28-2006, 12:30
Jorge:
You MIGHT want to be a bit careful in quoting internal emails - companies HAVE sued news outlets successfully over that kind of breach. Cf .United Fruit vs. Cincinnati Enquirer 1998.
This from someone who a) has no problem with passing on "leaked" info - that's on the leakers head, but b) works for a large newspaper and follows the legal issues of journalism.
Mark Norton
08-28-2006, 12:31
Once again, no one, including Leica, expects the RFF forum to "respect" someone elses NDA.
Once again,,, ITS SOMEONE ELSE'S NDA! :bang:
Jeesh!!
sorry for yelling
Rex
Presumably, Rex, if it was your IP which was being compromised, we'd never hear the end of the whining...
jan contermans
08-28-2006, 12:35
The foto's of the M8 wich caused such a stirr a defenitely not real.
These fotos are for some time on a French Leica site;
http://www.summilux.net/m_system/m8.html
There it is stated that these foto's are not defetitive.
A pity, because a think it is a real prtty "weniger is mehr" design.
Quote:
Such leaks only serve to bolster the market readiness.
And to increase the # of hits on websites that purport to have exclusive inside dope :D Leica said officially that the M8 won't be a radical departure from the M7, so any photo that looks like an M7 with some digital cues could be the M8. Or it could be a photoshop mockup. Either way, if you're like me, how the M8 will look is a whole lot less interesting than how it will perform.
herbkell@shaw.c
08-28-2006, 12:45
And to increase the # of hits on websites that purport to have exclusive inside dope :D Leica said officially that the M8 won't be a radical departure from the M7, so any photo that looks like an M7 with some digital cues could be the M8. Or it could be a photoshop mockup. Either way, if you're like me, how the M8 will look is a whole lot less interesting than how it will perform.
that's the first bit of sense I have heard on this topic for a while.
The rhetoric on this issue is amazing - a lot of self righteous people getting steamed up about a photograph of a new camera.
I for one am committed to taking more photographs in the next couple of weeks. That way the time will go quicker and we will all see the real thing at the appropriate time.
Mark,
You are really hung up on this lens coding thing. Are you the one that has Christian looking into patent issues with the recoding of the lenses? I can asure you there is no violation there. But if it has to go to court I will not do it because of the costs.
Regardless, this M8 issue should be no surprise to the internet. Everyone asks what it will look like, what will be this what will be that. The moment they get the info then they are in an uproar. Howmany times did you or the others that dont like the M8 pictures on the web actually look at it? If anyone does not like seeing the picture or the concept of revealing a photo that is anxiously awaited then don't bother looking at it. The title of the Thread is good enough to make anyone who does notwant to see it ignore it.
Would you like to see the other digital cameras coming out? I can post that too if you like.
I would just refer to an African Grey parrot named... dunno... Sparky who tells everything about the new camera:)
On a more normal side... I don't think Leica could possibly complain about how much happiness and drooling is going on accross the net from these pics. I know I am excited... and I was NOT someone who was really thinking of it before these leaks and the pics confirming them. However... these sure look like the conceptual drawing I seen quite a while back in an online newsletter. Have to see.
Surely the new MD or M8 will look like these pictures.
Leica, however, won't stand for anything less than a full frame sensor, at least not to stay behind Canon 5D and 1D mk II, or Sony's coming alpha 1.
Mark Norton
08-28-2006, 13:20
No Jorge, I am not that person but I do think it is ridiculous that you are pursuing the idea of coding lenses. There are lots of risks which you don't seem to recognise and little up-side.
As regards your mole, are you paying them for the information?
Mark,
I understand there are other risks involved which is why I still have not purchased the machine. I have a sample which I will post a picture of but it needs to go back because it has failed a machine test. I will follow up on that later.
Oh, I try not to pay for anything if I can :) So, no. I have not paid for any information. And as another thread points out those images have been out for a while already.
Rich Silfver
08-28-2006, 16:35
An interesting, related thread: http://daringfireball.net/2005/01/plugging_leaks
Rich Silfver
08-28-2006, 17:08
The foto's of the M8 wich caused such a stirr a defenitely not real.
These fotos are for some time on a French Leica site;
http://www.summilux.net/m_system/m8.html
There it is stated that these foto's are not defetitive.
A pity, because a think it is a real prtty "weniger is mehr" design.
Thanks 'jan' for joining today to make this same post in two threads.
I asked some question about your 'find' here: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27576
Skinny McGee
08-28-2006, 17:45
Ok Ok Ok! Maybe it isn't the M8... Maybe Leica has taken so long to put it out that it is a "ZORKI" That right folks, you heard it here first...Late breaking news. The Russians were able to get the plans from the Leica factory in WW11.(Because that is how long it seems that have been working on the stupid thing) ,, and were able to put out a copy of a camera that (may or may not exsist).. sneaky little devils... So with the truth out now. everyone can rest easy.. I am sure that the new "Zorki" will be fractions less than what Leica would have put on their so called M8. So keep your eyes out on the BAY.
The foto's of the M8 wich caused such a stirr a defenitely not real.
These fotos are for some time on a French Leica site;
http://www.summilux.net/m_system/m8.html
There it is stated that these foto's are not defetitive.
A pity, because a think it is a real prtty "weniger is mehr" design.
I haven’t seen your post yesterday, otherwise I would have replied immediately. This is my reply as I posted it on your thread:
What is a shame is that you spread complete false information!:mad:
The pictures of the M8 are on this site because I – yes I – opened a thread on Summilux.net about the M8 with a link to RFF. The “non definitive” mention refers to the fact they are not yet official; it does not mean they are fake.
Read the thread on summiluxM8 (http://www.summilux.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8470)
And be more cautious next time!
errare humanum est, I guess.
...The pictures of the M8 are on this site because I – yes I – opened a thread on Summilux.net about the M8 with a link to RFF...
OK Marc, désolé de vous ennuyer mon ami, but you don't say where you've found out the picture posted on Summilux.net.
My feeling is you have copied it from the one deleted by Jorge here.
Any comment?
Best,
LCT
OK Marc, désolé de vous ennuyer mon ami, but you don't say where you've found out the picture posted on Summilux.net.
My feeling is you have copied it from the one deleted by Jorge here.
Any comment?
Best,
LCT
Hi LCT,
On the thread (see my second message, #3) I say that the pictures came from RFF and I put the link to RFF. The pictures come from Jorge’s first post, and I just had to crop them to fit the thread. I haven’t deleted them when Jorge did, as it was a little bit difficult for me to follow the flow of information. Other members posted the same pictures as me, as you know it goes fast on internet these days (in French, we call it “le telephone arabe” … but internet is much quicker). But I have nothing to do with the pictures on the front page of Summilux.net (I’m not the administrator); everyone on Summilux.net knows where they come from.
Best,
Marc
I hesitate to get involved in this discussion, because it seems to have aroused extraordinary passions amongst some of the participants on the forum, but i'm afraid i fail to understand why individuals whose only connection with Leica is that they currently own, or plan to own, one or more of the company's products, feel that they must somehow take on the mantle of Leica's 'avenging angels'.
Jorge published some images for those who were interested. They spread around the internet. Such things happen. In fact, as others have stated, the company in question often wants it to happen in advance of a launch (i'm not stating categorically that that is the case here).
Otherwise, i find the psychology of the 'guardian angels' more interesting than the images themselves. I mean, what possible harm can the images do at this late stage? Especially as there is no guarantee whatsoever as to their eventual accuracy.
Regards! //mani
...The pictures come from Jorge's first post, and I just had to crop them to fit the thread. I haven't deleted them when Jorge did, as it was a little bit difficult for me to follow the flow of information....
Yes that is what i guessed, thanks for clarification. :)
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