View Full Version : Is it the same for my Zorki I ?
andrealed
06-28-2006, 08:29
Taken from cameraquest regarding Leica screwmount cameras:
"Double Exposures are Easy!
"....Yet, if you want double exposures, ALL you have to do is turn the high speed dial in the opposite direction until it catches. That re-cocks the shutter, and you can take another shot. Repeat as many times as you want."
Ever tried?
sounds like it could break the mechanism to me
Spyderman
06-28-2006, 09:06
Tried it on a FED 3. Works.
Tried it no Zorki 4. Doesn't work.
Try for yourself. You'll see if it works for your Zorki 1.
And no, it won't break the shutter.
Mark Wood
06-28-2006, 09:10
Well known UK Leica repairer/restorer Malcolm Taylor did in front of my very eyes with my IIIg so it must be safe!
zorki 3 and the leica III both have slow speed dials. maybe the zorki one has a different shutter mechanism and it will break? i remembe reading somewhere that zorki 1 shutter dials should eve rbe turned the other way. but everything on the net should be taken with a grain of salt. ie, im giving advice here and i dont own a zorki 1.
theres always oleg to clean up the mess:D
Mark Wood
06-28-2006, 10:54
What I should have said is that it must be safe with a Leica shutter but I really don't know about the Zorki.
Valkir1987
06-28-2006, 12:19
I just tried this trick on the Fed 1 after reading the article, it worked but I would not recommend this unless double exposures are necessary. The speed dial is made only for changing the speeds by lifting it, not for winding the shutter. It may be done with Leicas because they are made of stronger parts. The small pin inside the speed dial that catches the holes in the dial for the second curtain release may break.
P.S. (although not a rangefinder...the trick works on the Zenit E as well...)
andrealed
06-28-2006, 13:02
Thank you everybody...I will not try without need. The point is that around one month ago I was streetshooting with my fed 3a...and I was asked to blank my roll because I shot without asking permission to a young "writer" (you know, young people that use to write on the walls, trains etc etc with spraycans, hip hop culture...) The scene was beautyful because they were painting a large wall with rolls and white paint, id est prepairing the wall. I was asked to blank my roll and I done it..(after telling him that, from "artist" to "artist"..he was wrong). So, after doing it now I think that it would be useful to know a good way to erase just the last shot.
Just to laugh...he was thinking that I was a photoreporter...and he was worried about having troubles with police...a photoreporter with a Fed3a.... nahhhh :-)
Thank you again.
Andrea
Genoa
Italy
all this trouble for a novelty... i'd grab an old rolleicord - i found out that they can be used as double-exposure cameras due to the manual cocking of the shutter.
It's great - I'll dig out a shot of a friend of mine, who's in the photo three times.
To be honest it's a rare effect you'd ever wanna use. And in this situation with the blanking of frames, you may as well open up the back of the camera (or quickly while talking rewind the whole film then open up the back an blag your way out of it)
wyk_penguin
06-28-2006, 20:22
I am under the impression that the bottom loaders don't have backs to be opened.
Next time shoot them with 120 film. I opened a TLR with 120 inside under the shade, cursed myself, closed the back. The film still developed fine.
To be honest it's a rare effect you'd ever wanna use..
That's my impression too. Real good multiple exposed pictures are scarce if you don't count those made repeating flash or stroboscopes.
The only truely impressive double I recollect is one of a living animal outline and of a fossil bone structure that appeared in National Geographic. But given that NG mostly uses slide, I'd guess it's not even a true multiple exposure but two carefully aligned slides.
Gordon Coale
06-29-2006, 00:38
Harry Callahan (http://www.geh.org/ne/str085/htmlsrc9/callahan_sld00001.html) was a master of in camera multiple exposures. If you aren't familiar with Harry Callahan you might try to find a copy of Harry Callahan: The Photographer at Work (http://www.electricedge.com/greymatter/archives/00006822.htm).
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/second-belated/multi_sm.jpg
First and only try with exposures... triple exposure, tripod, rolleicord. Not that interesting really :)
ZorkiKat
06-30-2006, 00:58
Taken from cameraquest regarding Leica screwmount cameras:
"Double Exposures are Easy!
"....Yet, if you want double exposures, ALL you have to do is turn the high speed dial in the opposite direction until it catches. That re-cocks the shutter, and you can take another shot. Repeat as many times as you want."
Ever tried?
That's similar to what Theo Kisselbach said (in his Leica pocketbooks) in order to make double exposures with screw-mount Leicas.
But there's one procedure missing: the shutter button should be held down whilst rotating the shutter dial by hand. Works in a IIIc.
Doesn't work with Zorki-1 or FED1.
Jay
Valkir1987
06-30-2006, 02:31
Doesn't work with Zorki-1 or FED1.
It did work on my Fed1, (while holding down the release button and winding the shutter dial) I disrecommended it in my other post because the Fed 1 (and maybe the Zorki 1) are made out of softer steel and metal parts than my fathers Leica III.
When winding the shutter with the speed dial, the force is concentrated on a small pin in the smaller holes of a dial inside the shutter mechanism. This pin can break or fall out, (as discribed in the book of Maizenberg).
Greetings :)
Definately does NOT work well on my FED-1g.
Yes, I can rotate the shutter dial, and it does move the shutter curtains back, but.. there's no way to catch the shutter release again. This means as soon as you let go of the speed dial, it snaps back. You would have to securely hold the dial until you want to make the second exposure..
What's worse, is that the force required to rotate the shutter dial isn't exactly insignificant. Something to be expected perhaps, as the shutter curtains needs to be able to cover the film gate in a mere fraction of a second.. Nonetheless, I'm afraid the strain on the mechanism wouldn't make it long lived.
".. ALL you have to do is turn the high speed dial in the opposite direction..." Ever tried?Naaa. Ain't goin' there. It takes weeks of pita-waiting to get one of these babies from overseas. I'm not going to twist it's ears backwards to make it do tricks. I know my luck. Mine would be the one rare bird to self-destruct right in my little hands. :eek: And all you guys would say, "Gee, that's odd. Never heard of that happening before. Too bad. But don't worry, CVetc. Oleg can fix it." [two weeks over - two weeks back] :p
leica M2 fan
07-02-2006, 10:52
Taken from cameraquest regarding Leica screwmount cameras:
"Double Exposures are Easy!
"....Yet, if you want double exposures, ALL you have to do is turn the high speed dial in the opposite direction until it catches. That re-cocks the shutter, and you can take another shot. Repeat as many times as you want."
Ever tried?
For many many, years with no problem, works just fine.
Naaa. Ain't goin' there. It takes weeks of pita-waiting to get one of these babies from overseas. I'm not going to twist it's ears backwards to make it do tricks. I know my luck. Mine would be the one rare bird to self-destruct right in my little hands. :eek: And all you guys would say, "Gee, that's odd. Never heard of that happening before. Too bad. But don't worry, CVetc. Oleg can fix it." [two weeks over - two weeks back] :p
LOL.. Fun point of view, and moreover.. you're smarter than most of us..
David Murphy
07-03-2006, 00:01
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/second-belated/multi_sm.jpg
First and only try with exposures... triple exposure, tripod, rolleicord. Not that interesting really :)
I like it !
thanks david :) - I'll have more of the sort once I meet up with her again.
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