View Full Version : $2000 Lens Shade - the joys of collecting
CameraQuest
05-04-2006, 21:15
see http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/91-21mm-Nikkor-f4-Lens-Hood-for-Nikon-rangefinder_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ28221QQitem Z6623816731QQrdZ1
$2000 + lens shade for the Nikon 21/4 lens. That's right folks, $2000 + just for the lens shade, NO lens etc.
Why? With the exception of the lens shade for the original 50/3.5 Nikkor (a shade that probably wasn't even produced), and the lens shade for the stereo Nikkor, the 21/4 lens shade is a good bet as the rarest lens shade for the Nikon Rangefinder system. That might seem like a lot, until you consider that a mint Nikon Rangefinder 21/4 lens complete with caps, shade, and viewfinder should fetch in the $15 to $20,000 range. Ah yes, the joys of collecting and obtaining the near unobtainable.
Stephen Gandy
NIKON KIU
05-05-2006, 08:19
Good thing about it is, there is a bid.....
Is it the JOY or the PAIN of collecting?
Kiu
Nikon Bob
05-05-2006, 08:22
As my old CPO in the navy would say, that would gag a maggot.
Nikon Bob
trittium
05-05-2006, 09:05
This makes me glad I am a user. I could shimmy up something and not care.
How long can it be before somebody starts forging these? It couldn't be a very difficult job for a talented machinist. And with no serial numbers, authentication would be a challenge.
The majority of items listed in these Tamarkin live auctions are already double the going rate...and that's before you add their commission. It's a shame they have so much Leica stuff for sale, but I'm sure after they sit on it a few years they'll come down to earth. I doubt they sell much at those artificially inflated prices...
The majority of items listed in these Tamarkin live auctions are already double the going rate...and that's before you add their commission. It's a shame they have so much Leica stuff for sale, but I'm sure after they sit on it a few years they'll come down to earth. I doubt they sell much at those artificially inflated prices...
I couldn't agree more. As soon as I see the "Live Auction" symbol, I pass to the next item. They are too expensive by far and can keep their overpriced stuff AFAIC.
Walker
The majority of items listed in these Tamarkin live auctions are already double the going rate...and that's before you add their commission. It's a shame they have so much Leica stuff for sale, but I'm sure after they sit on it a few years they'll come down to earth. I doubt they sell much at those artificially inflated prices...
Except that these auction items are often on consignment. Tamarkin makes its money on the commission and buyer's premium. A lot of times the opening price is set by the seller (as an alternative to having an "upset price"). It's really a no-lose situation for the auctioneer.
Besides, isn't this a preview listing for a Live Auction? (Cannot tell from work computer - eBay is "blocked" but I saw this the other night). If so, any bids here are "openers" and will set the start price for the live portion.
NIKON KIU
05-05-2006, 11:51
......somebody starts forging these? It couldn't be a very difficult job for a talented machinist......
SSHHHHH!!!!!!
Kiu
SSHHHHH!!!!!!
Kiu
Kiu,
Have you been fiddling around in the garage workshop again? ;)
NIKON KIU
05-05-2006, 20:10
consider that a mint Nikon Rangefinder 21/4 lens complete with caps, shade, and viewfinder should fetch in the $15 to $20,000 range
I have to disagree! Have you been checking prices? Nice try but, The last one(lens only) sold in Christies for under $6000(you know whos)
and I saw the cap and finder sell for $700!! Add the shade $2500 and box $500 and what do you get?
I made a comparison here:
http://p200.ezboard.com/fnikonhistoricalsocietyfrm7.showMessage?topicID=28 5.topic
If two out of four premier auction houses estimate the price under $10,000, and the last two (Christies) auctioned didn't even bring $10,000...
How do you base your estimate?
I say you are quoting prices from .....
I remember the 100cm that sold for $$$$$$$$$ Guess what? the last one didn't even do $$$$
Prices of the 21st century,
Kiu
PS, I am still awed, $2000 for a shade? Oh what a pain
Take photos and be happy.
Let's not forget the 5100 dollar lens shade and lens cap (that's 5100 each!) for the 50 mm 1.1 Nikkor some years ago on ebay.
NIKON KIU
05-06-2006, 14:10
Let's not forget the 5100 dollar lens shade and lens cap (that's 5100 each!) for the 50 mm 1.1 Nikkor some years ago on ebay.
Lets not forget that was a few years ago...today, the shade did only $1600!!
http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=28221&item=6623816587
Kiu
This makes me glad I am a user. I could shimmy up something and not care.
shimmy
Now there's a word that triggered a memory of reading 'Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance' by Robert Pirsig.
The main person is riding a battered Honda while one of his buddies rides a high class BMW. At some point, the handle bars of the BMW start to loosen. No fun of course on a $$$ bike. But then the main person points out a solution.. the beamer rider needs a shimmy!
The confusion comes of course when the beamer rider wants to search out a BMW dealership to special order a part, while a shimmy could be a strip of aluminium cut from a empty soda can.
Very interesting to see how something that's perceived as a solution for a problem by one is seen as devaluation of a possession by another..
"Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" was a book that I read during an impressionable age (while tinkering with a beat-up old motorcycle) and it has probably helped define my relationship with technology ... to understand how the laws of nature affect the way man-made things work in such a way that you're comfortable with putting home-made tin or cardboard shims into cameras and lenses, for example. I've always remembered the story of the BMW-owners quest for a top-of-the-line shim.
I once held a Nikon RF 21mm lens in my hand. It was at a photo swap meet in Germany about 17 years ago. I had no idea of its rarity and neither did the seller, and I was looking for an SLR lens for a colleague, so moved onto another table. A couple of hours later I looked through a camera collecting book and realized the stunning rarity of the Nikon RF 21mm lens. Alas, it was long gone from the seller's table. Seeking a user lens, I eventually got the Zeiss 21mm f/4.5 and have enjoyed it but wish it wasn't so darned heavy.
ZivcoPhoto
05-19-2006, 23:08
The Nikon lens hood for my 35mm F2.5 in Leica screw mount is 34.5mm attachment size, just like the filters. I saw the proper hood on the bay for over $1,400......that was 6 months ago. It is being relisted this week.
ClaremontPhoto
05-19-2006, 23:31
...a mint Nikon Rangefinder 21/4 lens complete with caps, shade, and viewfinder should fetch in the $15 to $20,000 range.
I'll go for the $15 one please.
(Cannot tell from work computer - eBay is "blocked" ...).
ouch! poor George! :(
wait... perhaps your employer is doing you a favour ;)
This is sorta a stupid question, but I can't help myself - is this $12,000 Nikon 21mm an especially good lens, just rare or both?
If anyone here is outbid in their pursuit of the five-figure Nikon lens, I would be willing to part with my less-rare, but almost really nice Voigtlander 21/4 for just $5,000. Sources tell me it was one of only a few dozen made on some particular day several years ago. (I think it was a Wednesday - very desirable.)
I will also throw in a Voigtlander lens shade that I personally value at $2,000.
I take paypal.
The shade went for $2600. At least this is a very rare accessory, so it has a real value in the eyes of the die-hard collectors.
Talking of overpriced accessories, what about this brand new Canon shade, sold by B&H for $559.95:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/items/186975.jpg (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=295&A=details&Q=&sku=186975&is=REG&addedTroughType=categoryNavigation)
Or this Nikon shade at $579.95:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/items/261519.jpg (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=295&A=details&Q=&sku=261519&is=REG&addedTroughType=categoryNavigation)
That's just plain rip-off.
Cheers,
Abbazz
hmmm...i'd say that's another project for a certain machinist...
erikhaugsby
02-19-2007, 18:47
Talking of overpriced accessories, what about this brand new Canon shade, sold by B&H for $559.95:
I think the picture for the Canon shade is incorrect, as the 400/2.8L uses a large white tube (to put it nicely) and not a black piece of plastic. Regardless, that hood still costs more than 10% of the entire lens!
Shade seems about right, it's about the size of a small waste can.
Seems like an expensive waste bin :D
I think the picture for the Canon shade is incorrect, as the 400/2.8L uses a large white tube (to put it nicely) and not a black piece of plastic.
It is the correct picture, just click on it to follow the link. The "white" one is the hood for the EF 600mm f/4.0L IS Lens. It is a little bit more expensive at $569.95.
Cheers,
Abbazz
xayraa33
02-19-2007, 19:39
out of the 195 units of the RF 21mm Nikkor lenses, were any ever made in LTM?
xayraa33
02-19-2007, 20:35
in this NHS write up, Bob Rotoloni says that 500 or more 21/4 Nikkors were made for the rf camera.
http://www.pacificrimcamera.com/nhs/21rf/21f4.htm
summilux
02-20-2007, 07:15
maybe nikon should release a special issue of hood, sure will make them more money than those S3 and SP.
NIKON KIU
06-18-2007, 18:05
Click on the following link:
http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/98577894
Yes folks, this is a Nikon RF mount meant to be used on the Screw mount Version of the famed W-NIKKOR 3.5 cm f1.8
http://img229.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/7/5/3/5/speed00gr-img600x399-1182129627dsc_0047.jpg
LOOK AT IT----> It's Square
http://img229.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/7/5/3/5/speed00gr-img600x399-1182129650dsc_0048.jpg
http://img229.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/7/5/3/5/speed00gr-img600x399-1182129640dsc_0046.jpg
This is as rare as Hen's teeth, priced accordingly @ 105,000 yen(about US $850.00).
I know a couple of people around here have the screw mount version and I thought they may want to see the hood;)
Kiu
After reading all these posts about how this thingy sold for $5,000.00. and that doo-dad went for only $2450.00 I fall down on my knees and thank God that I'm only a user and not a collector.
And if I really wanted one, I could go to the machine shop down the block and they'd turn me a knock-off 21 f4 shade or 50 1.1 shade for a fraction of what the real thing cost, and no one who ever looked at my photos would know or care.
NIKON KIU
06-19-2007, 08:33
Ah yes, the joys of collecting and obtaining the near unobtainable.
Stephen Gandy
Who cares about collecting? What about EXCLUSIVITY??
If one pays $4500 for the M8 and another $1000 for W-NIKKOR 3.5cm f1.8
and likes to have the original hood,hey what's another $1000???
Who on the PLANET would have another kit like that??
It does beat paying $80,000 for an SUV!!!
Kiu:D
erikhaugsby
06-19-2007, 08:45
I owned maybe 2000 Nikon RF cameras and lenses, and never spent an additional dime after the first few bucks. That is what traditional collecting and trading was about. Later "collecting" became mostly buying on eBay.
So does that mean your cameras came and went like a revolving door, or did you steal the rest of them? :p
It's easy to be smug if you had the foresight to get in on the ground floor, as it were. But I'm still a little unclear on the concept.
Is this about collecting and possessing rare things, or is it merely about investing to make money, because some of the comments lead me to believe its about the latter, rather than the former.
And yes, while we are all Capitalists and believe there is nothing wrong with making money, nevertheless, there is something that bothers me about this exercise being just about money, which in some cases I believe it to be.
Forgive me if I appear to be naive, or worse a cynic, but those are my feelings.
The NikonHSwebmaster makes a good point.
Some people collect little stuffed toys. Some people collect hubcaps. Some people collect cameras. If you collected Nikon RF cameras in the 1960s and 1970s, there was really no way to know their value would climb and keep climbing. Suppose, instead, he had collected Canon RFs, which haven't soared in value. Or Minoxes. Or Kievs. Maybe one day pre-war Contaxes will become crazy expensive. Maybe Bessas and CV lenses will one day be astronomically priced.
"If you can look into the seeds of time and say which grain will grow, and which will not -- speak then to me." -- Wm. Shakespeare, Macbeth.
ok ok.. got the point.. now, do I use my CV's or forget them in the closet so familly will sell as a bargain when I die (they better donīt or I'll come back from Hell)?
for user.. nothing makes sense, for a collector... sense is not an option.
Browsing EBay ads, you often get the impression that someone is hoping to strike it rich after rummaging through the closet and discovering Granddad's old Nikon S with 50/2 and 135/3.5.
For those who don't like the effects of supply and demand on market-driven prices, there are still plenty of Soviet cameras to collect. Some may even have time remaining on their 5-year plans.
I have the original collectible box for my 1957 Kiev II.
i did try a 21/4 Nikkor in Rf mount years ago. Nice enough lens, but at the time I was using a 21f3,4 Super Angulon on my M2 and liked that better! As for the hood, it is a price that ONLy someone who has the lens would pay to complete a package and praying that sum total excedds that of the parts. I did have the 25/4 Nikkor Rf for a couple of years but it was scratched and did flare badly. I was toying with making a hood foor it (and at the same time make a hood for the 21/4), but decided that the market was too small and my 25f4 VC lens was better and gave the 25 away to a friend in Japan who managed to get new front elements and finder elements. Oh, he still doesn't have the hood!
I can only echo what was said a few postings above - I am really glad that I am a user (with many cameras) and not a collector!!
And compared with those astronomic prices discussed here for a lens hood I just bought a allmost mint Nikon F90X with a 80-200 AF zoom lens for about 125 USD the other day due to the big amounts of film cameras sold very cheap when people move to digital.... and I got a new SC-Skopar 21 mm to go with my S2 for 400 USD.... Fascinating to see what turns out to be superexpensive over time and not...
:-)
Jon
erikhaugsby
06-20-2007, 08:44
... I just bought a allmost mint Nikon F90X with a 80-200 AF zoom lens for about 125 USD the other day due to the big amounts of film cameras sold very cheap when people move to digital....
Was that the f/2.8 lens? If so, you got an absolute STEAL!
No - not THAT good, only f/4 but even so it is a good high quality Nikkor lens that will come to good use!
Jon
NIKON KIU
01-07-2010, 06:56
I saw this ad on the 'bay and thought may be it's a good time to bump this old thread:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Nikon-NIPPON-KOGAKU-HOOD-for-2-1cm-f-4-S-mount-lens_W0QQitemZ250559734288QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLens_ Accessories?hash=item3a56862210
Question is, will there be any buyers @ $800?
Kiu
NIKON KIU
01-08-2010, 18:30
it only comes in black:rolleyes:
Kiu
it only comes in black:rolleyes:
Kiu
You take this too seriously....:rolleyes:
Bob
Morca007
01-08-2010, 19:27
And yes, while we are all Capitalists and believe there is nothing wrong with making money,
Speak for yourself.
The joy of being completely insane. yes, I can see that!
NIKON KIU
01-15-2010, 13:22
10 years ago, in this condition I could have gotten $4000. Right now it will most likely sell for the $800. There are only a couple of dozen around.
Didn't get a bid!!
2 years ago, I would have paid $800
Kiu
outinthewoods
02-02-2010, 21:52
How about this one? Only $5995. It even comes with a case and a yellow filter...
http://www.kevincameras.com/gallery/album3644
http://www.kevincameras.com/gallery/connoisseur_corner?page=6
yes, but he only paid $1100 when it was on ebay!
I think I am about an order of magnitude cheaper than anyone who could even imagine paying three or four figures for a lens shade. I rationalize that by placing a high value on ingenuity, especially ingenuity that does not cost anything.
My favourite bodge is a lenscap for my old Nikon 8mm f2.8 fisheye lens. The glass surface is terribly exposed, of course, so a lenscap is important. I discovered that there is a standard round-bottomed Tupperware bowl that fits perfectly. I have been using that for about 20 years now.:)
Cheers,
Dez
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