Losing Intrest in this site

[flashover]

Take this with a grain of salt as I am a upset with the performance of the site. I went after a camera body posted for sale. The end result was someone else is the happy new owner. Two posts were made for the item and both appeared at the same time. I just have an issue when it takes over 4 mins to get a post on and the 3 or 4 trys to get a PM out. I am getting tired of driving 7 miles or so to the office where I can get high speed and at home 8 out of 10 times it wont even load before the browser times out with my dial up connection. It's getting so I don't even think about coming on to check the posts as what I could do in 5 mins before now takes me 30 or more just to read a few new posts. Yes I know this a free site and George is doing his best with the problem but it's still bugging me. I don't know what other people are feeling on this problem but it's starting to effect my intrest here. John K

[ywenz]

I haven't checked here in 3 days knowing the slow down issues. It seems to work much better today. The performance issue certainly doesn't help with traffic.

[George S.]

I figure at least the operating problems can and will be addressed and overcome soon. What is turning me off is the endless completely non-photo related threads and the arguing, whining, and "I want the last word" and "I'm right and you're an idiot for daring to post an opposing view" attitudes shown by some.

[wtl]

Try what I do, John. If I don't get my reply done in a few seconds, I quit and walk away.

This probably explains why you only see a small friction of what I want to say. ;)

[FrankS]

What George said.

The technical issues can be resolved. The human ones are more difficult.

[Brian Sweeney]

Performance is much better today. Jorge is moving the site to a new server soon.

If this was errant/misconfigured software, or a Denial-of-service attack, he is on it.

The site will be unavailable for several days when the "big move" is made.

As for the ranting and whining, haven't you ever been around Toddlers before?

[jan normandale]

John, you're not alone in the frustration department regarding slowness here. Taking a positive spin.. it'll be better in a while, whenever that is... ;- )

George, I'm with you. I wish there was a "fisticuffs @ RFF" thread. Then everyone who is OT and contentious could play there. I would know where it was and either step in or avoid the thread.

These things certainly are grinding a lot of RFF'ers down

[darkkavenger]

The site performance has become a serious issue recently but I am confident the best is being done so that this will be resolved. Having been fairly busy with work and other issues, I don't feel particularly bothered. It's annoying, but that'll end up being fixed.

I spent these last two weeks at work fixing very serious network issues and returning home late, all turned up for the best, but lots of things needed to be adressed, people didn't always understand the full implications of what I had been doing, but they could see in my eyes and in my tiredness that I was working to resolve this.

I'm facing the opposite situation as yours, my home internet is faster than at work now, so my (meager these days) activity here happens when I'm quiet at home.

Hoping to see you around still,
Max

[jaapv]

Try what I do, John. If I don't get my reply done in a few seconds, I quit and walk away.

This probably explains why you only see a small friction of what I want to say. ;)

Friction is about right. That is what some of the recent threads were all about. Lets get back to our core business: photography. And the site IS a lot better today.

[dll927]

Howrever, at least up to a point, that's what forums are for. There's always room for disagreement, but I do agree that it is useless and childish to call each other names and/or put each other down.

My own view is that there is so much available in this website that I never run out of things to read over. The wide variety of 'brand name' threads keeps things interesting. I tend to gravitate toward the Russian RF threads. I've been sort of collectng same for a while, and it's quite interesting to read the ideas of others when it comes to 'FSU' cameras.

[drmatthes]

Nothing to add to that one, Frank

[Wayne R. Scott]

I know the pain you are feeling , I was trying to get the thread for the camera body to load also and by the time it loaded the camera was gone. I consider it a sign that I didn't need that camera, which I really really don't. But that has never stopped me in the past from acquiring more cameras.

The bickering does bother me more than the slow loading. I just go away for a couple of months and then come back. I think I saw an old African saying that goes something like this, "When two bull elephants fight, only the grass gets hurt." And so it is with the bickering.

Wayne

P.S. There will be other good deals that will show up in time and you will get your fair share.

[grizzz]

The guy that runs this site seems to be on top of the issues and since I pay the same for this site as I do for a drink of water at the water fountain I say thanks for letting us know of the problems and glad to here your working them....All I can say about certain threads is don't bother with them. There is still a wealth of good info here and I apreciate it greatly. The fact that I have to wade through som BS to get there is just life in a forum I think.

[dazedgonebye]

At this level, the bickering doesn't really bother me. It seems mostly confined to threads about bickering. If a thread I'm interested in goes to hell, I walk away (this has never happend to me here).
The unavoidable parts of my life are contentious enough. I'm not going to participate in anything stressful related to my hobby. I do often wonder at the sheer number of folks that seem so intent on finding conflict. Seems to me that trouble and conflict of all types will seek you out every day in life. Why one would choose to seek these things as a form of entertainment is beyond me.

As to site performance...I've seen worse from services I paid for. My suggestion is to click that paypal button on the front page to help make sure Jorge always has the resources to keep ahead of the power curve.

[Jocko]

I wish there was a "fisticuffs @ RFF" thread. Then everyone who is OT and contentious could play there. I would know where it was and either step in or avoid the thread.

These things certainly are grinding a lot of RFF'ers down

I think I may be one of those RFF'ers to whom Jan refers. I wonder if it might be an idea to scrap the OT/general discussion forum, then at least it might be clear to all that we talk about photography. As it is, things are awful.

Ian

[FrankS]

George, I'm with you. I wish there was a "fisticuffs @ RFF" thread. Then everyone who is OT and contentious could play there. I would know where it was and either step in or avoid the thread.

These things certainly are grinding a lot of RFF'ers down

Jan, there is such a forum here. It is called "and now for something completely different". It is not visible on the active forums page, it is accessed from the "forums" page. Jorge has said that members can talk however, and about whatever they want, as long as there is no profanity.

It is like the soapbox forum on APUG (where you have to be a $ contributing member to access it.)

[back alley]

i share in the frustration.
yesterday the site seemed great but today, for me, it's slowing down again.

when the site is down for the transfer, i plan on staying away from the internet completely. i plan on doing some shooting, no matter what what the weather is like and getting back to the reason i like this place...the nature of rf and the people.

there are/have been a few that want to ruin this place and i can only assume that petty little people who have no real life of their own will always find a way to try to hurt others.
they probably stuck pins in their pets as kids.
these losers in life have a sickness, diagnosed or otherwise. i suggest you all walk away from the obvious trolls and they will soon wither from lack of attention.
joe

[ch1]

Sorry you missed out on your deal. I know that the "slowness" of the past few days has been frustrating for many of us - and I'm glad to see that response time (and just getting a response) has improved over last day or two.

As to your other point, I think it is important to note that there is a difference between healthy debate and "bickering". The former requires thinking and respect for the opposing view. The latter is unneccesary.

But there is no "bright line" on where exactly one leaves off and the other begins.

[MP Guy]

Give me some time. New server is being built as I type this. Migration will follow shortly.

[flashover]

thanks for all the responses to my rant. I was just venting my frustration with the performance and I know George is working on it. Oh and don't hold any bad feelings toward the seller as he did what he thought was fair and the problems I am having are not his. Hope the new owner can get it up and running. Its realy a nice camera. John

[ray_g]

What George said.

The technical issues can be resolved. The human ones are more difficult.

Hopefully, the coming of the new RFF book will help redirect us all back to what this forum is all about.

[kaiyen]

About 2 years ago, Photo.net went down and we lost almost a month's worth of posts. Across the entire site. That's probably thousands of posts. And many of us (myself included) paid a subscription fee. We pay a similar subscription fee at APUG and it's been quite stable, though sometimes as slow as RFF (I'm on a fast connection all the time, though, so if speed is proportional to connection speed - though it really shouldn't be linear - then slow for me is still pretty fast for others).

That RFF is somewhere in the middle - stable, but sometimes slow - seems just fine to me. The site is growing. I wouldn't give up on it yet. How many good communities do you really find on the internet?

About having a soapbox-esque forum (or, rather, confining more argumentative stuff to the ANFSCD forum) - I'll admit that I've been more combatitive than I should be on here (I will say that I think my posts to George's recent "desaturate" thread is out of character, though - I'm not usually like _that_). I'll try to tone it down, in case I have upset anyone.

allan

[yossarian]

thanks for all the responses to my rant. I was just venting my frustration with the performance and I know George is working on it. Oh and don't hold any bad feelings toward the seller as he did what he thought was fair and the problems I am having are not his. Hope the new owner can get it up and running. Its realy a nice camera. John

I'd hardly categorize this as a rant--just a bit of healthy purging, which you should feel free to do. If it'll make you feel better you have my permission to fantasize about
Christie Turlington like I do. I am not a selfish person.

Fred

[lmd91343]

Jorge,


Thank you for providing a wonderful service. I know your job is difficult. I appreciate the effort.

Thank you,

[grizzz]

The guy that runs this site seems to be on top of the issues and since I pay the same for this site as I do for a drink of water at the water fountain I say thanks for letting us know of the problems and glad to here your working them....All I can say about certain threads is don't bother with them. There is still a wealth of good info here and I apreciate it greatly. The fact that I have to wade through som BS to get there is just life in a forum I think.

[kmack]

I am sympathetic to those who may have problems with the site and some of the people who post here. But frankly, while the site has been unstable I have gotten more work done at home (and at work).

I am particularly sympathetic with Jorge's plight. He has a contest that he arranged with an advertiser ending in a few days. I am sure that he is sweating bullets at this point.

As for the rest: I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords. I'd like to remind them as a trusted TV personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground sugar caves.

[Wayne R. Scott]

If it'll make you feel better you have my permission to fantasize about
Christie Turlington like I do. I am not a selfish person.

Fred


I wonder what lens gives this type of bokeh?

Wayne

[XAos]

I think I may be one of those RFF'ers to whom Jan refers. I wonder if it might be an idea to scrap the OT/general discussion forum, then at least it might be clear to all that we talk about photography. As it is, things are awful.

Ian

You may be onto something. OT and GD seem to generate more altercations than purpose driven discussion forums on every forum covering any topic I've ever been on. Just how animated can you get discussing Rodinal vs Diafine? Ok, some folks still do it but they're still more likely to agree to disagree on that subject than they are any of the other unconstrained topics.

[wtl]

Lets get back to our core business: photography. And the site IS a lot better today.

Statement like this always makes me laugh. How much can you TALK about photography?

I hunch the ones who hang around here everyday and post like madmen dont' do much photography. The ones who do are not here, I am pretty sure.

[ClaremontPhoto]

The guy that runs this site seems to be on top of the issues...

No he is not. He's a nice guy and is building a great community but seems to have to move servers frequently and the site needs tidying up.

Even if speed increases after the the next server move we'll be back here within six weeks needing a new server.

And there are site-wide errors which I told Jorge about several months ago.

I run sites myself and if somebody told me of a spelling error on a landing page I'd correct it same day. Jorge hasn't done that in about six months since I pointed it out, and that makes him seem like somebody who is not on top of his site.

As well as the spelling Jorge needs to sort out the speed issues, make the navigation consistent and rationalize the forums.

Thank you Jorge for setting up this site, I like what you write also, but it's time to get the professionals in to take it to the next level.

[lmd91343]

Take this with a grain of salt as I am a upset with the performance of the site. I went after a camera body posted for sale. The end result was someone else is the happy new owner. Two posts were made for the item and both appeared at the same time. I just have an issue when it takes over 4 mins to get a post on and the 3 or 4 trys to get a PM out. ~~snip~~

John,

I am the guy who got the camera. I am sorry that you feel shut out. I also very narrowly missed a camera and a lens. If it makes you feel better, there are two things to keep in mind.

First, I logged on to the first thread before the second thread was posted. I did not see the second thread until after I posted then sent a PM on the first. You responded to the second thread. Did you click on the first thread and it did not respond, so you clicked on the second? Is that how you got to the second thread?

Second, I also spent several frustrating minutes with failed PM and post attempts on the first thread. I had several timeouts. Whether they were web/communication or database locking issues I don't know.

[flashover]

Hi I Noticed you recived the camera and Like I said my complaint was with the site not the seller or buyer. I didn't even notice the double post till after and the looked at the post times. They were the same for both of us. I thinkl this body was the one Frank S had and throught him I had for a couple of days untill the shutter curtain issue was discovered. I have since replaced it with a Leica IIIc , but realy did like that body. Oh the RF window bezzel from a Fed 2 is a perfect fit for the round window. John K

[planetjoe]

I know I should probably not wade in water as it's getting deeper, but I'd like to publicly thank Jorge for maintaning this place for us, free of charge, where many of us spend a lot of our time - and enjoyably so.

I may be more easygoing than some others, but I have zero complaints about the administration of this site. And so, thanks. To the mods, as well.

And now, back to photography.


Cheers,
--joe.

[SolaresLarrave]

I won't give up on this site. In fact, it's run a heck of a lot better by Jorge than if I were doing it. As for speed issues... they come and go. What's really good about this place is the human component (whether bickering or not). Things happen all the time, but all in all, with or without trolls, aggressive behavior and other things, I feel a lot freer posting questions and news here than in any other forum. After having seen some of my threads torn to shreds in a particular forum, I decided NEVER to post another there.

Of course, some of my threads have been kindly ignored here... but heck, I'm not taking it personally. Some people care about Rodinal, others (like me) still don't, but that's variety, the spice of life, right?

So, keep talking! :)

[lmd91343]

Hi I Noticed you recived the camera and Like I said my complaint was with the site not the seller or buyer. I didn't even notice the double post till after and the looked at the post times. They were the same for both of us. I thinkl this body was the one Frank S had and throught him I had for a couple of days untill the shutter curtain issue was discovered. I have since replaced it with a Leica IIIc , but realy did like that body. Oh the RF window bezzel from a Fed 2 is a perfect fit for the round window. John K

John,

I was not faulting you, but rather trying to make you feel a little better. Thanks about the bezel note.

[RJBender]

I think I may be one of those RFF'ers to whom Jan refers. I wonder if it might be an idea to scrap the OT/general discussion forum, then at least it might be clear to all that we talk about photography. As it is, things are awful.

Ian

http://www.corvetteforum.com/zeroimg/smilies/iagree.gif The general discussion forum has had too much dissing and too much cussing lately. Just my 2¢ worth.

R.J.

[JoeFriday]

I think we ought to turn this site over to McCain and Feingold for 'reform'.. then you'll all be able to talk about how great it was before it was 'fixed' ;)

[grizzz]

No he is not. He's a nice guy and is building a great community but seems to have to move servers frequently and the site needs tidying up.

Even if speed increases after the the next server move we'll be back here within six weeks needing a new server.

And there are site-wide errors which I told Jorge about several months ago.

I run sites myself and if somebody told me of a spelling error on a landing page I'd correct it same day. Jorge hasn't done that in about six months since I pointed it out, and that makes him seem like somebody who is not on top of his site.

As well as the spelling Jorge needs to sort out the speed issues, make the navigation consistent and rationalize the forums.

Thank you Jorge for setting up this site, I like what you write also, but it's time to get the professionals in to take it to the next level.


When I said he was on top of the issues all I meant was he has made us aware of them and is working on them. that honestly is all I can ask for something I'm getting for free. If this was a pay site I think many people would have some issues with the performance, I'm not sure how many would care to much about a few spelling errors. I will be honest i don't look to much at the astetics of the site and you very well may be right on alot of technical isssues the site may need. And if so i am not looking to nag you for it, you very well may be right. it does what i need it to do though and for that i am greatful. Besides I'm sure I have a half dozen mispelled words and grammer errors just in this post :p

[FrankS]

I would be happy if the modertors quickly moved any thread which begins as, or evolves into a discussion that contains whining, arguements about film vs digital, politics, religion, and other devisive stuff, to the "and now for something completely different" forum. If a thread disappears and you want to get/stay involved, you'll know where to find it: on the "Forums" page. Since it is hidden from view on the "Active Forums" page, most will be spared from having to view it, and visitors may miss it too. Perhaps it should be open to registered members only, as it probably does not demonstrate our finest qualities. Jorge has said that there will be no censorship on the "completely different" forum other than for profanity. If you feel like an arguement, go over there.

Hello I've come here for an arguement.
No you haven't.
Yes I have.
No you haven't.
Well, this is hardly a good argument.
Yes it is.
You're jsut disagreeing.
No I'm not.

PS: Any"Why was my thread moved" posts would be moved there as well and folks could complain to their heart's content. Just don't swear. :)

[ClaremontPhoto]

Consistency within a site is very important. So is the organization. With consistency and clear organization people can find their way around. It is very little work really to make the navigation consistent and to reorganize the topics a little.

A spelling error on a landing page is just plain sloppy.

The content is fine, the moderation is variable and the people are (generally) great people with a lot of knowledge and experience.

[flashover]

Ah cicular logic you gota love it. maybe I should just delete this thread as i am not sure where it's going. Man I don't belive this has now gone to 3 pages

[dazedgonebye]

No he is not. He's a nice guy and is building a great community but seems to have to move servers frequently and the site needs tidying up.

Even if speed increases after the the next server move we'll be back here within six weeks needing a new server.

And there are site-wide errors which I told Jorge about several months ago.

I run sites myself and if somebody told me of a spelling error on a landing page I'd correct it same day. Jorge hasn't done that in about six months since I pointed it out, and that makes him seem like somebody who is not on top of his site.

As well as the spelling Jorge needs to sort out the speed issues, make the navigation consistent and rationalize the forums.

Thank you Jorge for setting up this site, I like what you write also, but it's time to get the professionals in to take it to the next level.

Did I mention the PayPal button on the first page?

I've no idea of the economics of running this sort of site, but I'm willing to bet that Jorge isn't about to go vacationing with Mr. & Mrs. Gates any time soon.
Many people have made the point that this is a free site. Free. All of this great stuff and interaction. Free.
Jorge, how's about charging us a few bucks a month after the first month? People just naturally don't value what comes too cheaply.

[ch1]

I would be happy if the modertors quickly moved any thread which begins as, or evolves into a discussion that contains whining, arguements about film vs digital, politics, religion, and other devisive stuff, to the "and now for something completely different" forum. ...... :)

Frank,

As I see it, the problem with this approach is that deciding when or if to move a thread turns the moderators into quasai-censors. Their judgement, no matter how dispassionately made, enters subjectivism into the decision process. No matter how objective they try to be, different moderators will have different "standards" as to whether and when to move a thread to the OT "completely different" forum.

If we apply your approach then in reality, this thread should have been moved after the second or third post.

[ClaremontPhoto]

I've no idea of the economics of running this sort of site...


I do run sites. This one is crawling with advertisers (sponsors) and easliy makes a profit from what they pay.

The vBulletin software is off the shelf and very inexpensive, and the server rental is really not very much at all.

Once it's set up, a one day job at most, Jorge can carry on with his day job, leave his volunteer mods to keep things humming and invoice the advertisers.

I like RFF and the people here but it has many faults technically.

[RJBender]

I would be happy if the modertors quickly moved any thread which begins as, or evolves into a discussion that contains whining, arguements about film vs digital, politics, religion, and other devisive stuff, to the "and now for something completely different" forum. If a thread disappears and you want to get/stay involved, you'll know where to find it: on the "Forums" page. Since it is hidden from view on the "Active Forums" page, most will be spared from having to view it, and visitors may miss it too. Perhaps it should be open to registered members only, as it probably does not demonstrate our finest qualities. Jorge has said that there will be no censorship on the "completely different" forum other than for profanity. If you feel like an arguement, go over there.

Hello I've come here for an arguement.
No you haven't.
Yes I have.
No you haven't.
Well, this is hardly a good argument.
Yes it is.
You're jsut disagreeing.
No I'm not.

PS: Any"Why was my thread moved" posts would be moved there as well and folks could complain to their heart's content. Just don't swear. :)

Then the trolls might have fun sending legitimate threads to the completely different forum. http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/images/smilies/dunno.gif

What would happen if the person who starts a thread has the ability to select and delete any posts within their thread? Has this been tried anywhere else?

R.J.

[Ergo]

I think we ought to turn this site over to McCain and Feingold for 'reform'.. then you'll all be able to talk about how great it was before it was 'fixed' ;)


No,lets keep oil people,status quo,bidness as usual.

And elect cheney in 08 so we can keep counting bodies.

[dazedgonebye]

I do run sites. This one is crawling with advertisers (sponsors) and easliy makes a profit from what they pay.

The vBulletin software is off the shelf and very inexpensive, and the server rental is really not very much at all.

Once it's set up, a one day job at most, Jorge can carry on with his day job, leave his volunteer mods to keep things humming and invoice the advertisers.

I like RFF and the people here but it has many faults technically.

Is it so profitable that he can bring in the professionals? Do the advertisers seek him out?
What you describe is a model for a casual enterprise that is self-supporting. If it were much more, he might not head off to that day job.

[JoeFriday]

if Jorge is anything like me (and hopefully he's much better), he wouldn't think of charging the members.. not for economic reasons, but because of the 'ownership' that people will feel entitled to.. since he is the sole owner of the site, he can do anything he wants with it.. charge some money, and he loses control.. I can respect that

[VinceC]

>>Then the trolls might have fun sending legitimate threads to the completely different forum.<<

That's a major concern. There have been a couple of particularly bad examples just today, to include foul language to test the moderators on otherwise okay threads.

[BrianShaw]

I love this forum... the discussions, and the people. Even the off-topic people and discussions. I'm happy as a clam!

[George S.]

Jon,
Since you work in the field naturally you'd notice any technical faults. I've been here for a few years and haven't noticed these staring-me-in-the-face horrible faults you speak of. I think it's kinda like watching law shows on TV; the average Joe is entertained, while the attorneys in the audience probably laugh and cringe at the same time at some of the goings on.

[George S.]

And elect cheney in 08 so we can keep counting bodies.

No, Cheney has said he's not interested in the job. Gee, do ya think his 18% approval rating has anything to do with that decision? I'd rather send him off to Iraq with his shotgun....

[RJBender]

I do run sites. This one is crawling with advertisers (sponsors) and easliy makes a profit from what they pay.

The vBulletin software is off the shelf and very inexpensive, and the server rental is really not very much at all.

Once it's set up, a one day job at most, Jorge can carry on with his day job, leave his volunteer mods to keep things humming and invoice the advertisers.

I like RFF and the people here but it has many faults technically.

$160 http://www.vbulletin.com/order/ FID fans... here's your chance. :D

R.J.

[titrisol]

is that all that bugs you?
I thought you were going to say something like "too much people, too much yada yada, too little meat"

[jlw]

Maybe what we need is to develop an alternative method of sellling in which split-second timing isn't as critical. This doesn't HAVE to be eBay Junior, ya know!

When I've sold things on RFF, I've usually done it on the basis of "best offer received by date X," setting date X far enough in the future that reasonably regular visitors have a chance to stumble across it.

It's just common sense that if you want to get the best price for your item, you want to give people plenty of time to up the price.

[ClaremontPhoto]

Jon,
Since you work in the field naturally you'd notice any technical faults. I've been here for a few years and haven't noticed these staring-me-in-the-face horrible faults you speak of.

Thank you George, I understand and agree with you 100%.

Example: A new guy with an FSU camera comes to RFF. Which forum does he look in? Would it be covered in 'Russian Made Rangefinder Cameras' or might it be in 'Other, including Fed, Zorki...'.

Just one small example. There are many more.

Us oldtimers don't even notice the faults any more. But for new people there is a lot of stuff that needs fixing.

[RJBender]

Maybe what we need is to develop an alternative method of sellling in which split-second timing isn't as critical. This doesn't HAVE to be eBay Junior, ya know!

When I've sold things on RFF, I've usually done it on the basis of "best offer received by date X," setting date X far enough in the future that reasonably regular visitors have a chance to stumble across it.

It's just common sense that if you want to get the best price for your item, you want to give people plenty of time to up the price.


I've noticed that some people have been mildly flamed for posting links to their eBay auctions. Is this a definite no-no for the RFF buy/sell forum?

R.J.

[ch1]

Statement like this always makes me laugh. How much can you TALK about photography?

I hunch the ones who hang around here everyday and post like madmen dont' do much photography. The ones who do are not here, I am pretty sure.

In the interests of healthy debate - I do not want to let this statement pass without a counterpoint.

I regularly post here (although I do not consider myself a madman). And I do plenty of photography - check my Gallery. I regularly contribute to or initiate W/NW threads and just posted my three entries to the RFF Contest.

In fact, I got into hot water with some here when I posited that I thought the main purpose of the site was to display our photographs.

So, with all due respect, I refuse to accept that being a regular thread poster here means I am a non-picture taking poseur!

[bmattock]

I love this forum... the discussions, and the people. Even the off-topic people and discussions. I'm happy as a clam!

How happy are clams, exactly? Just curious.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

[BrianShaw]

How happy are clams, exactly? Just curious.



It depends on if you ask before, or after the clam sees the chowder pot.

[BrianShaw]

How happy are clams, exactly? Just curious.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

Oh, I forgot... THAT'S AN OFF-TOPIC QUESTION.. Please moderators, close this thread immediately. This isn't the "feel good forum"! Nobody has any business discussing what makes them feel good... or how they feel.

Hurrumph..I'm leaving!

[bmattock]

I hunch the ones who hang around here everyday and post like madmen dont' do much photography. The ones who do are not here, I am pretty sure.

You are pretty wrong.

I take a lot of photos. And I don't post like a madman, I am a madman.

I love these wild guesses backed with zero logic.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

[bmattock]

Oh, I forgot... THAT'S AN OFF-TOPIC QUESTION.. Please moderators, close this thread immediately. This isn't the "feel good forum"! Nobody has any business discussing what makes them feel good... or how they feel.

Hurrumph..I'm leaving!

I apologize to all clams who may have been offended by my statements. Clams are not dead, film clams are as good as digital clams, live and let live, void where prohibited, make love not war, and beam me up Scotty.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

[RJBender]

Oh, I forgot... THAT'S AN OFF-TOPIC QUESTION.. Please moderators, close this thread immediately. This isn't the "feel good forum"! Nobody has any business discussing what makes them feel good... or how they feel.

Hurrumph..I'm leaving!

What are you trying to do, Brian? Send this thread to the "junkyard"? :D


R.J.

[BrianShaw]

What are you trying to do, Brian? Send this thread to the "junkyard"? :D


R.J.

Sorry... just taking out my frustrations, I guess. I was recently moved from a nice office, with a wall, to a cubicle. It's a nice, spacious cubicle - 100 sq. ft. But the guy in the next box talks to himself... well, it's more like making weird noises. He has a repetoire of 9 distinct noises. They are very predictable, but very annoying. I have a deadline due and I can't concentrate. So I'm spending my time on RFF while I wait for a moment of quite so I can work.

Oh... he just stepped out to lunch. I'd better get some work done before he comes back!

[bmattock]

What are you trying to do, Brian? Send this thread to the "junkyard"? :D

R.J.

Actually, I think he's using humor to point out that the humorless have self-appointed themselves the 'please stop talking about this' police. Humor is funny, it has a point, and some call it 'wit'. You may have heard of it.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

[BrianShaw]

Actually, I think he's using humor to point out that the humorless have self-appointed themselves the 'please stop talking about this' police. Humor is funny, it has a point, and some call it 'wit'. You may have heard of it.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

Ya... that too. But, Bill... be nice to RJ. I've said it before (and I'll say it again, if necessary)... those biceps scare me!

[ClaremontPhoto]

That RJ avatar is some wrestler he photographed. It's not RJ in person. Is it?

[FrankS]

Actually, I think he's using humor to point out that the humorless have self-appointed themselves the 'please stop talking about this' police. Humor is funny, it has a point, and some call it 'wit'. You may have heard of it.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

Bill, if you are talking about me, I am not humourless. I was only suggesting that this site has a perfect forum for threads like this which stir up vitriole and do more harm to the ambiance of this site than good. Your "Some call it wit, you may have heard of it" comment comes across as smug and condescending to me.

[RJBender]

Sorry... just taking out my frustrations, I guess. I was recently moved from a nice office, with a wall, to a cubicle. It's a nice, spacious cubicle - 100 sq. ft. But the guy in the next box talks to himself... well, it's more like making weird noises. He has a repetoire of 9 distinct noises. They are very predictable, but very annoying. I have a deadline due and I can't concentrate. So I'm spending my time on RFF while I wait for a moment of quite so I can work.

Oh... he just stepped out to lunch. I'd better get some work done before he comes back!

Brain,
You should record these, convert the sounds to .wav files and play them back on your computer whenever you feel like it. http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/smileys/i.gif When he realizes that there is actually no echo in his cubicle, he might clam up. http://www.my-smileys.de/smileys2/bibber_2.gif

R.J.

[ch1]

Sorry... just taking out my frustrations, I guess. I was recently moved from a nice office, with a wall, to a cubicle. It's a nice, spacious cubicle - 100 sq. ft. But the guy in the next box talks to himself... well, it's more like making weird noises. He has a repetoire of 9 distinct noises. They are very predictable, but very annoying. I have a deadline due and I can't concentrate. So I'm spending my time on RFF while I wait for a moment of quite so I can work.

Oh... he just stepped out to lunch. I'd better get some work done before he comes back!

Brian,

This probably will not make you feel any better but I read on the CNN website the other day that the "inventor" of the cubicle now thinks it was a terrible idea! :bang:

[BrianShaw]

That RJ avatar is some wrestler he photographed. It's not RJ in person. Is it?

I don't care if it is him, or not. I'm a middle-aged, pencil-necked, necktie-wearing, pencil-pusher... and I have no intentions of finding out if they are really his biceps or not. And, what'smore... I don't really live in Los Angeles... I'm just saying that so I look sophisticated. I really live in NYC. Ya, that's right... come find me... I'm in NYC.

[bmattock]

Ya... that too. But, Bill... be nice to RJ. I've said it before (and I'll say it again, if necessary)... those biceps scare me!

I'm nice to just about ever buddy. Ask anyone.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

[BrianShaw]

Bill, if you are talking about me, I am not humourless. I was only suggesting that this site has a perfect forum for threads like this which stir up vitriole and do more harm to the ambiance of this site than good. Your "Some call it wit, you may have heard of it" comment comes across as smug and condescending to me.

Okay, Frank, my apologies for bringing up the subject. I'm just being peckish this afternoon and certainly didn't want to ruffle your feathers.... or anyone elses.

I'll go back to work. The idea of recording the noises is a great idea. Kicking the wall hasn't worked. Perhaps I'll also send the .wav files to the inventor of the cubicle to confirm his brilliant "conclusion" that productivity dives in that kind of environment.

[RJBender]

That RJ avatar is some wrestler he photographed. It's not RJ in person. Is it?

Come to the Gold's Gym in O'Fallon and find out. I'm not a fan of WWF "wrestling"
http://www.my-smileys.de/smileys2/chair.gif

R.J.

In case this thread gets moved, that's one smiley whacking another smiley with a folding chair.

[bmattock]

Bill, if you are talking about me, I am not humourless.

No, Frank, I was not thinking of you when I posted.


I was only suggesting that this site has a perfect forum for threads like this which stir up vitriole and do more harm to the ambiance of this site than good.

What, you don't like vitriole? I think it is excellent on pasta, but I always pay for it later on, if you know what I mean.


Your "Some call it wit, you may have heard of it" comment comes across as smug and condescending to me.

Actually, I was aiming at light-hearted and flippant. Oh, I'm doing it again. D'Oh!

In honesty, although I really wasn't talking about you, I guess I wanted to note that continuing to say "This thread is in danger of being sent to the showers" is a good way to get it sent to the showers. Continually harping that "this thread is becoming vicious and mean-spirited" tends to make it such. Huh, guess that's intentional. Wow, that was hard to figure out. If someone says something you don't like, say 'booger' and watch it disappear. It reminds me of the childishness of the old "let's all ignore threads by people we don't like and reply like crazy people to ANY other thread to push down the one we don't want to see anymore off the front page." That one was fun.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

[RJBender]

Brian,

This probably will not make you feel any better but I read on the CNN website the other day that the "inventor" of the cubicle now thinks it was a terrible idea! :bang:

He probably doesn't make any royalties off the panels. My brother in law knows the guy who invented those reflectors they use in the center lines of highways. He makes 3¢ for each one produced.

R.J.

[Brian Sweeney]

You guys keep it nice or I'm going to start telling my old "digital imaging in the 1980's" stories on this thread too! Got it moved right over the the "something different" forum, just like that!

Yup, back in the old days we used Magnetic Tape that weighed 20 pounds a Reel and was 1inch wide! Only held 11 GBytes!!! Yep, Sangamo Weston T80 28-track tape.

And the computer that we lifted onto the P3 Orion weighed 200Pounds! Programmers weren't little weenies in those days...

[ClaremontPhoto]

I'm off to find a photo of Arnie to use as my new avatar.

Then the mods won't mess with my posts.

I'll be back.

[ywenz]

I've noticed that some people have been mildly flamed for posting links to their eBay auctions. Is this a definite no-no for the RFF buy/sell forum?

R.J.

When you make deal on this forum, a deal between two regular players of this site, a level of trust would have already been established from their past associations. If someone is using the site merely to promote a sale, and their post history speaks to that fact, then we obviously can't give them the level of legitimacy.

[Brian Sweeney]

But, the practice does not break any rules, and threads are not moved or deleted. They are not well-accepted by many members, however.

[flashover]

Man I don't know where this going. This thread has gone in directions I would have never guessed. I was just venting a little because I lost out onsomething and was blaming the speed of the site. But this is going strange places. I think maybe I should clear the slate and sart again. John K

[ClaremontPhoto]

I recall the hard drives with five (?) platters that needed to be loaded into machines like washing machines and probably held 5kB or so of data.

Paper tape, punched cards... Don't get me started.

One of my first jobs was booting the computer by turning a long row of switches on or off, twenty or fifty switches or something, and then turning on the power.

The computer was the size of a small car, and the printer was almost as big. The power supply cable was as thick as my arm. Well almost.

[RJBender]

I'm off to find a photo of Arnie to use as my new avatar.

Then the mods won't mess with my posts.

I'll be back.

Here are two, Jon.http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/N/9/arnold_then_now.jpg

R.J.

[RJBender]

Joe is in da house. Joe, is this thread going to be moved?

R.J.

[ClaremontPhoto]

Ooops. I'll Google for images of Seagal instead. Thank you.

[Brian Sweeney]

The "Big" computer that I started out on fit in a warehouse, had three water-chillers to cool it, used 28" disk platters, and cost $8Million.

It had 4MBytes of memory and a 12.5Mhz clock.

[RJBender]

The "Big" computer that I started out on fit in a warehouse, had three water-chillers to cool it, used 28" disk platters, and cost $8Million.

It had 4MBytes of memory and a 12.5Mhz clock.

Wow! What was it used for and how much scrap* value is in something like that?

* Gold pins etc.

R.J.

[back alley]

I'm off to find a photo of Arnie to use as my new avatar.

Then the mods won't mess with my posts.

I'll be back.


i am a large italian who grew up on the streets of new york.
arnie comes to us when he needs back up!

[ch1]

So, when do we get to the part of the thread where we talk about wine and invading England? :confused:

[ClaremontPhoto]

You and me are coming from the same place Brian. My very first (Eliot 903) didn't have a keyboard or a display. It used punched paper tape for input and output with a one week turnaround. So if you put a '.' in the wrong place you got an error message Tuesday, and could resubmit your work for output next Tuesday.

RJ: Lucky if a museum, will take it off your hands.

[BrianShaw]

So, when do we get to the part of the thread where we talk about wine and invading England? :confused:

Hey... great idea... let's have a glass of wine and invade England. Where's our Scottish Lassie?

[bob cole]

Serenity Prayer:

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
--Reinhold Niebuhr

[BrianShaw]

You and me are coming from the same place Brian. My very first (Eliot 903) didn't have a keyboard or a display. It used punched paper tape for input and output with a one week turnaround. So if you put a '.' in the wrong place you got an error message Tuesday, and could resubmit your work for output next Tuesday.

RJ: Lucky if a museum, will take it off your hands.

//
/* BrianSweeny should feel *so* understood!
//

[DougK]

So, when do we get to the part of the thread where we talk about wine and invading England? :confused:
Indeed, with fine red-haired, blue-painted lassies even :D

[back alley]

i am a large italian who grew up on the streets of new york.
arnie comes to us when he needs back up!


this was joke btw...;)

[ywenz]

America rulez!

http://images.art.com/images/-/American-Eagle--C10313334.jpeg

so do other countries!

[RJBender]

So, when do we get to the part of the thread where we talk about wine and invading England? :confused:

Happy hour!

http://www.my-smileys.de/smileys2/49.gif http://www.my-smileys.de/smileys2/all_coholic_2.gif http://www.my-smileys.de/smileys2/00009161.gif http://www.my-smileys.de/smileys2/1drink.gif http://www.ubrf.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_beer.gif

R.J.

[dazedgonebye]

You guys keep it nice or I'm going to start telling my old "digital imaging in the 1980's" stories on this thread too! Got it moved right over the the "something different" forum, just like that!

Yup, back in the old days we used Magnetic Tape that weighed 20 pounds a Reel and was 1inch wide! Only held 11 GBytes!!! Yep, Sangamo Weston T80 28-track tape.

And the computer that we lifted onto the P3 Orion weighed 200Pounds! Programmers weren't little weenies in those days...

I've bet you've had your hands on an AN\UYK-7. Binary Coded Hexidecimal ain't for whimps.

[kmack]

You guys keep it nice or I'm going to start telling my old "digital imaging in the 1980's" stories on this thread too! Got it moved right over the the "something different" forum, just like that!

Yup, back in the old days we used Magnetic Tape that weighed 20 pounds a Reel and was 1inch wide! Only held 11 GBytes!!! Yep, Sangamo Weston T80 28-track tape.

And the computer that we lifted onto the P3 Orion weighed 200Pounds! Programmers weren't little weenies in those days...

11GBytes? you were lucky we only got around 200-700 Mbytes at about 6250 cpi depending on the blocking. That's why we moved to the Winchesters.

[Toby]

Why would you want to invade England? It's a dump -most of us are saving up to go and live in France - not because its's better just because it really annoys the French

[back alley]

...not because its's better just because it really annoys the French...


now, that's funny!!!

[ch1]

Why would you want to invade England? ......

I dunno, nothin' else goin' on, so why not?

Perhaps it's for the cuisine? :confused:

[ywenz]

I dunno, nothin' else goin' on, so why not?

Perhaps it's for the cuisine? :confused:

I would kill for the priviledge to have fish & chips - wrapped in newspaper, 3 times a day, 7 days a week..

[bcs89]

I would kill for the priviledge to have fish & chips - wrapped in newspaper, 3 times a day, 7 days a week..


Not to mention the cool red buses, and all the hot babes with cool accents. Lets Go!

[RJBender]

Ooops. I'll Google for images of Seagal instead. Thank you.

Jon, what happened to your old avatar... Sean Connery wearing a straw hat, if I recall correctly. :D

R.J.

[yossarian]

I'm not goin' to any country where the term "shooting brake" is used to describe a
type of car.

[RJBender]

I am not humourless.

Frank, would you agree to a FrankS Roast on the completely different forum?
http://www.my-smileys.de/smileys2/FRlol.gif http://www.acuramdx.org/forums/images/smilies/jester.gif http://www.corvetteforum.com/images/smilielol.gif

R.J.

[yossarian]

I hope you guys have seen the movie "Office Space". If you haven't, you've missed
the only genuinely great American comedy of the past ten years. It's a must.

Fred

[pbjbike]

Joe, I knew you was da guy to go to!

[FrankS]

Frank, would you agree to a FrankS Roast on the completely different forum?
http://www.my-smileys.de/smileys2/FRlol.gif http://www.acuramdx.org/forums/images/smilies/jester.gif http://www.corvetteforum.com/images/smilielol.gif

R.J.


The ultimate test: a roast. Put it in the "completely different" forum. Don't use profanity or talk about my family. :)

[BrianShaw]

The ultimate test: a roast. Put it in the "completely different" forum. Don't use profanity or talk about my family. :)

Wow, Frank... you're quite daring!

[Brian Sweeney]

Wow! What was it used for and how much scrap* value is in something like that?

* Gold pins etc.

R.J.

A lot of it went to the Smithsonian. Most of the Bipolar Chips used (about 140,000) had gold caps. It was a lot of gold. The CPU time was $970 per hour. I re-wrote programs to execute faster, and saved way more than I cost in salary.

The Programming Manual that I have from the 1946 IBM Mark I would buy me a new Nikon SP-2005. I still need to get it to the Smithsonian. It was being tossed from the Library in 1979. I saw a speech by Grace Hopper in school, and brought it along to be autographed. She was surprised, and told me she personally wrote it.

Jon: CDC-6400; CDC-6600; CDC-7600; TI-ASC7 (1st Generation Vector Supercomputer)

[RJBender]

Frank, you're a good sport. I was only kidding.

R.J.

[yossarian]

i am a large italian who grew up on the streets of new york.
arnie comes to us when he needs back up!

AHA!! Gotcha! Joe used to be a hit man for one of the "families" and now he's in
the witness protection program.

[RJBender]

We have to roast the mods first!

http://www.my-smileys.de/smileys2/FRlol.gif http://www.acuramdx.org/forums/images/smilies/jester.gif http://www.corvetteforum.com/images/smilielol.gif


R.J.

[FrankS]

Frank, you're a good sport. I was only kidding.

R.J.


,,, Whew! :)

[35mmdelux]

unfortunately the load up time here is dial up, even for us that have DSL. What gives? Most often I just get frustrated and go over to PNET. Nothing personal.

[back alley]

I hope you guys have seen the movie "Office Space". If you haven't, you've missed
the only genuinely great American comedy of the past ten years. It's a must.

Fred


i hate to be the one to tell you fred, but that's based on the english comedy of the same name...

[kaiyen]

Joe,
Are you perhaps talking about the _TV_ show "The Office?" On NBC? That is indeed based on the UK show, but the _movie_ Office Space is, AFAIK, "unique."

allan

[yankeedoll]

Lively thread - and fortunately RFF is loading quicker this evening.

Anyway, I'd sign up for the invasion! :)

Doll

[back alley]

my bad.

i guess i should get a refund on that speed reading course i took...;)

joe

[yossarian]

Don't worry, Joe, hitmen ain't 'sposed to know about comedies.

[back alley]

Don't worry, Joe, hitmen ain't 'sposed to know about comedies.


sorry, i cannot acknowledge that quote...this site may be monitored...;)

[yankeedoll]

Too late, Joe. You already blew your cover. :)

[wrenhunter]

Jorge, thanks for a great site -- lots of good features and plenty of nice folks to talk about my new favorite hobby. Amazing for a "free" site.

Hey, let's all donate!

[back alley]

Too late, Joe. You already blew your cover. :)


curses, foiled again!

;)

[Byuphoto]

Before anyone paints theirselves blue and invades England, do you really know what they wear under those kilts????

[SolaresLarrave]

Definitely, one of the most entertaining threads in the history of RFF! :)

To think it started as a bit of a rant... :p

[bmattock]

Before anyone paints theirselves blue and invades England, do you really know what they wear under those kilts????

You really don't want to know. And painting blue is just the first part. The tradition calls for painting oneself blue with woad, doing one's hair up in cow dung, and going into battle buck nekkid.

Not really as much fun as it sounds at first.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

[kmack]

Before anyone paints theirselves blue and invades England, do you really know what they wear under those kilts????

Nothing is worn.
Everything is in working order. :D

[yankeedoll]

Sounds alot like mud wrestling.

[Trius]

Jon: Understood, but you are applying commercial standards to a forum that, while underwritten by commercial sponsor, is not a commercial enterprise. Just my 2 cents. Personally I'm picky about spelling, grammar, etc., but hey, this is a free website, it ain't life or death, so I don't let it bother me.

[BrianShaw]

Before anyone paints theirselves blue and invades England, do you really know what they wear under those kilts????

I have a photo with proof... but I hesitate to post it. This is a "kid-friendly" site, after-all.

[back alley]

when it comes to spelling, jorge is a bit...relaxed;)

and jon, just to show some support & understanding, i have emailed jorge about some of those details also.
but i can't complain, i mean, the guy signs my paychecks...hey! wait a minute...

joe

[Brian Sweeney]

RFF is fast.

I'd love to know what the problem was.

But, my motto is...

[Brian Sweeney]

Some day I'll have to list my Ten Steps to Programming Like a Klingon.

It scared the head of the Information Technology Division.

[Skinny McGee]

I have no complaints,,, I am glad it exsist... I am also glad that I am not the one who has to keep it up... I am sure that when things go awry that it takes sometime to figure out...

[mitspooner]

27 mins to read. My eye's hurt and I'm going to shoot!!!

[Rick Waldroup]

Definitely, one of the most entertaining threads in the history of RFF! :)

To think it started as a bit of a rant... :p
Yeah, this is great stuff. It just goes to show what happens when the intellect of rangefinder shooters is let loose. Heaven help us all!!! :p :p :angel:

[Byuphoto]

Since I am of celtic decent, i made it a point to know what was under it. And yes I have one and wear it every year at the Celtic festival, but the wind blows a lot, here, so I refrain from tradition

[VinceC]

>>Originally Posted by Toby
Why would you want to invade England? ......
>>I dunno, nothin' else goin' on, so why not? <<

I still think invading England would give us the opportunity to create a digital Reid.

[Brian Sweeney]

Okay,
Here's the Plan.

We let our hair grow long and look like Moe Howard, form a Rock Group, off we go.

Yeah, Yeah, yeah.

No One Expects The British Invasion.

[lmd91343]

Don't forget your sunblock. You will need at least SPF 45.

[RJBender]

Okay,
Here's the Plan.

We let our hair grow long and look like Moe Howard, form a Rock Group, off we go.

Yeah, Yeah, yeah.

No One Expects The British Invasion.

Does anyone remember Iggy Pop and the Stooges? No?

R.J.

[Fedzilla_Bob]

Oh Man, Iggy and the Stooges. We used to catch them on the tubeoocasionally when I was in high school. Usually late night weekend rockshows.

Totally American though. Completely raw and not as artsy as VelvetUnderground (who I aslo enjoyed). About the worst Iggy behavior Icaught on TV was smearing peanut butter on his torso while on camera.

A definite precursor to punk.

[ClaremontPhoto]

The English hate the French so much that the high speed Paris to london train loops right around London to come into a station in the south west of the city called Waterloo.

It humilates them every time they need to get a taxi there and the driver says 'You are too late for the battle'.

[ClaremontPhoto]

RJ: The old avatar was ditched because I wanted to try out an animated avatar.

Given that we're all visual people in here and technically talented I'm surprised that I've never seen another animation.

[XXXGRAPENUTSXXX]

Let me just remind you; Rome wasn't built in a day

[John Robertson]

I figure at least the operating problems can and will be addressed and overcome soon. What is turning me off is the endless completely non-photo related threads and the arguing, whining, and "I want the last word" and "I'm right and you're an idiot for daring to post an opposing view" attitudes shown by some.

I 'm sorry to say I have to agree with this, and its the reason my "ignore" list is increasing in size. They are the types who can ONLY get their views aired on an internet site, if they behaved this way face to face in public, they would get their "lights punched out" so sadly they take it out on the rest of us. At least in the pub you can turn your back , and ignore them. :angel:
In fairness it seems to be a feature of many "interest" sites. I've seen the same on astronomy sites, another interest of mine, and on other photography forums. :bang:
Please Jorge whatever you do, don't remove the "ignore" feature, at least it gives us some control over this situation.

[VinceC]

Oy.
We've been banished to the "completely different" place.

[ClaremontPhoto]

Yep. The Twilight Zone.

[ch1]

Oy.
We've been banished to the "completely different" place.

Is it in England?

[Socke]

Does anyone remember Iggy Pop and the Stooges? No?

R.J.


Deep in the dark voids of my iPod I found The Passenger and Lust for Live. But since we have a blue sky and the sun is shining I'm more in a Loving Spoonfull state of mind and listen to Summer in the City.

Hm, I think I'll look for my headphones grab the next camera bag and take a walk.

[VinceC]

>>Is it in England?<<

I wish.

I ran across the thread while visiting the "something different forum." Appears to have a mind of its own. Or perhaps the thread refused to be banished.

[back alley]

Oy.
We've been banished to the "completely different" place.


not so...


j

[George S.]

I'm borrowing the term from a previous poster and applying it in a different way... but we should consider "Happy Hour" as the term for the place where one can go to rant, yell, scream, piss and moan about things not RF specific.

[BrianShaw]

I ran across the thread while visiting the "something different forum." Appears to have a mind of its own.

And at times, it has been quite mindless.