View Full Version : Because I'm a masochist...
Stephanie Brim
03-10-2006, 00:42
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7596321575
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7596324084
When I said I blew *all* my budget for the month, I was kind of lying. The Petri I know about, but the Falco I know nothing. I'm really curious to see what I could get out of the Falco, so don't outbid me.
franceluxemburg
03-10-2006, 01:03
Good luck, the Falco puzzle me too.
Cheers.
J-B
You can find out about the Falcon Miniature here:
http://www.merrillphoto.com/FalconMiniatureDeluxe.htm
Stephanie Brim
03-10-2006, 01:09
Nifty. Yet another 127 camera.
Out of curiosity...anyone know of a way to respool something to 127? I really don't want to have to try and buy 127 film for the thing...it would break me financially. :p
Edit: Perhaps I could somehow fashion a 127-sized spool out of a 120 spool and then use 35mm film...
It's an idea, anyway. Not a good one necessarily, but it's an idea.
Kim Coxon
03-10-2006, 01:47
127 is quite a bit smaller than 120. I don't think 35mm will work, it's would be too narrow for the rails. You would have to get some old film to get the backing paper with the numbers etc and work out a way to attach the film in the dark. Not something I would relish.
Kim
Nifty. Yet another 127 camera.
Out of curiosity...anyone know of a way to respool something to 127? I really don't want to have to try and buy 127 film for the thing...it would break me financially. :p
Edit: Perhaps I could somehow fashion a 127-sized spool out of a 120 spool and then use 35mm film...
It's an idea, anyway. Not a good one necessarily, but it's an idea.
Stephanie Brim
03-10-2006, 01:49
Well, what I thought about doing was covering the back 2 red windows and making them lightproof and pretty much guessing at how far to wind the film. As for 35mm being too small and the 120 being quite a bit larger than 127...that I know. I had an idea to cut and file a 120 spool down to 127 size...don't know if it will work or not, but I think it's worth a try.
Kim Coxon
03-10-2006, 01:59
AFIR, the 127 spool has spikes on the end rather than holes like the 120. I will keep my eyes open, you sometimes see them around here.
Kim
Stephanie Brim
03-10-2006, 02:01
I haven't been able to find crap. I have one takeup spool in my Bilora Bella.
Jandc sells Efke in 127 for $ 4.79 - you could always order a few rolls. If you like the camera, you can try to reuse the spools of these rolls.
Stephanie Brim
03-10-2006, 02:04
I kinda figured on doing that. It may just be for display for a while, though...after buying these, I *will* have spent my monthly quota. :p
I have some 127 spools & backing paper, if interested contact me off line
Brian Sweeney
03-10-2006, 03:36
You know Stephanie,
If you listed an "I will take your junk cameras and re-imburse for shipping" you might get a number of people willing to clear boxes of this stuff.
SteveM_NJ
03-10-2006, 03:50
Stephanie,
I'll do my best to resist any temptations to click "bid" for those items.
But I did move them to my "Watch" list to see how you do.
Good luck, my fingers are crossed for your "win"...
Steve.
SteveM_NJ
03-10-2006, 04:41
Steph,
Way to go !
let me be the first to send you "Congrat's" on the Petri
1 down, 1 to go...
SteveM_NJ
03-10-2006, 04:52
Alright !
2 for 2.
I'm glad somebody from RFF has luck on the bay.
I think you should find a dollar and pick a lottery ticket today. ( smile, no, the dollar would be more fun spent on film)
Congratulations !
Steve
Brian Sweeney
03-10-2006, 04:53
Remind me to clean out my basement.
This camera has a "B" setting. I wonder if you could darkroom load it with paper. Rate at about ASA 6? You would get a paper negative suitable for scanning. Will not set you back a fortune to use the camera. I might even have a box of Velox 2.25x2.25 somewhere down there...
Are you into trying pano shots with a 35mm film on 127 spool? It will be easy and cheap. Fun too. Just a few tapes on spool and the viewfinder and you are done.
*If it were me* I'd have spent the money on film for the Canon P. Trying to go in too many directions at once, leads you nowhere. :)
Gabriel M.A.
03-10-2006, 05:29
Rock rock rock Rock me Amadeus. Hey! It's a Falcon.
Still cool-lookin' camera. Can't beat a deal like that. Post some samples after you get it. I've never seen a 35mm camera with windows in the back before, like a 120 camera.
Stephanie Brim
03-10-2006, 12:19
I have film coming, Frank...believe you me. 20 rolls of Tri-X this week, a few rolls of Fomapan next week, some TMX from a member here as well...I'll be set for film for the next 4 months or so. :p
And the Falcon is a 127 camera... meaning it needs special film. The 35mm idea is neat and something I may try...but I wouldn't really be able to scan those until I get myself a flatbed because of the darn bars in my scanner's negative carrier. I could break them off, of course...but then I'd be looking for another carrier for the thing and LORD knows that now that they're discontinued I'd pay out the arse for that.
pshinkaw
03-10-2006, 12:50
I have two of a later version of this Falcon, both have splitimage rangefinders. One was my mother-in-law's. It spent WWII in a US government impound locker because our ancestors were not considered to be "loyal and trustworthy" Americans. Amazingly, the government gave it back after the war.
It is a half-frame 127. It shoots 127 film, but makes a photo about 4 cm by 2.75 cm. or so. Basically half of a "vest pocket" size. So it gets 16 shots roll. Quality is so-so.
I also have about 10 rolls or so of 127 E-4 Ektachrome. It is totally useless as slide film because it is at least 30 years out-of-date and has not been frozen for the past 10 years. Nonetheless, there are perfectly good spools and numbered backing paper in those boxes.
Send me a PM with you address and I'll mail them to you.
-Paul
*If it were me* I'd have spent the money on film for the Canon P. Trying to go in too many directions at once, leads you nowhere. :)
I was going to say something very similar Frank.
back alley
03-10-2006, 13:08
is it father's day?
:p
Stephanie Brim
03-10-2006, 13:18
I have two of a later version of this Falcon, both have splitimage rangefinders. One was my mother-in-law's. It spent WWII in a US government impound locker because our ancestors were not considered to be "loyal and trustworthy" Americans. Amazingly, the government gave it back after the war.
It is a half-frame 127. It shoots 127 film, but makes a photo about 4 cm by 2.75 cm. or so. Basically half of a "vest pocket" size. So it gets 16 shots roll. Quality is so-so.
I also have about 10 rolls or so of 127 E-4 Ektachrome. It is totally useless as slide film because it is at least 30 years out-of-date and has not been frozen for the past 10 years. Nonetheless, there are perfectly good spools and numbered backing paper in those boxes.
Send me a PM with you address and I'll mail them to you.
-Paul
Hm...so the ones you have are rangefinders...interested in parting with one of those? ;)
I may take you up on the Ektachrome, mainly because I could probably grab a C-41 kit of some kind and develop it in the bathroom...because of the date it would be interesting anyway, but cross processing it would make things *really* trippy if I use it with this camera.
Brian Sweeney
03-10-2006, 13:22
Steph has been hanging out with us geezers for so long she's going through the '60s.
How are you set for 620 cameras?
Stephanie Brim
03-10-2006, 13:23
Oh yeah, and about 'going in too many different directions'. That's what keeps me interested in photography. When I'm going out to do something serious, the Canon P and Fed both go out the door with me. They are my staple cameras and I treat them as such. The things I buy for fun (these cameras, the box-o-cameras I got a while back, the Lex35) are just for that...fun. Some of them end up going out the door later on to other people who like cameras...others stay with me to be used by me. They are just my own way of keeping myself from getting out of the frame of mind I need to be in to do my own photography: "Ooooh...I wonder how *this* shot would look if taken with *this* camera and *this* camera on *this* film and *this* film..." You get the idea. I do what I do because I love photography and I'm still finding my way...and I have to find my own way.
Stephanie Brim
03-10-2006, 13:25
Trippy? :rolleyes:
Story. My uncle and my mother were both young children in the 60's and teenagers in the 70's. I hang around my uncle a lot because he's kind of an amateur shutterbug (and a cop) and we can talk shop. He *still* uses that and a lot of words from the time period...I used to roll my eyes at him when he said it, but then I realized that it was a pretty avid description of what you get when you cross process a roll of slide film older than 20 years. ;)
yossarian
03-10-2006, 13:30
I know a really strange person who has some 127 in his freezer....
Fred
Stephanie Brim
03-10-2006, 13:32
What kind? I'd like some black and white, but I'm guessing that'll have to be gotten from J&C.
pshinkaw
03-10-2006, 14:06
Stephanie:
I'm planning on hanging on to the Falcon's for awhile yet, but you are welcome to the Ektachrome.
Ektachrome is a color reversal film for transparencies. It is not C-41, but E-4 process. It is still possible to have E-4 processed, but it costs around $20 per roll. I don't think you will get an image if you tried C-41 or even a B&W developer on it. besides, it is so ancient that even if you had an E-4 home developing kit, if would likely only have shadows. The only value the film has is for a film collector (yes, there are such people) or for the spools and paper.
-Paul
yossarian
03-10-2006, 14:08
Efke--yours if you want it.
Stephanie Brim
03-10-2006, 14:15
Efke? Yeah...that I can definitely use.
Let me know if he wants anything for it...money, other film, a Canonet, etc. :P
Stephanie Brim
03-10-2006, 14:17
Stephanie:
I'm planning on hanging on to the Falcon's for awhile yet, but you are welcome to the Ektachrome.
Ektachrome is a color reversal film for transparencies. It is not C-41, but E-4 process. It is still possible to have E-4 processed, but it costs around $20 per roll. I don't think you will get an image if you tried C-41 or even a B&W developer on it. besides, it is so ancient that even if you had an E-4 home developing kit, if would likely only have shadows. The only value the film has is for a film collector (yes, there are such people) or for the spools and paper.
-Paul
Just so you know...I can purposely cross process it in C-41 to get really crazy results. Considering the fact that this camera may or may not work anyway and I'm pretty sure the Bella is a very Holga-like camera, cross processing the film seems appropriate for some reason.
is it father's day?
:p
Just trying to provide kindly guidance.
back alley
03-10-2006, 15:17
Just trying to provide kindly guidance.
just teasing frank...:)
CameraQuest
03-10-2006, 15:49
you might want to consider two early American made 35's, the 1936 Argus A and wooden 35mm half frame 1928 Ansco Memo.
Argus A info at http://cameraquest.com/arg2.htm and http://cameraquest.com/argapic.htm -- they typically sell pretty cheap on Ebay and take standard 35mm film. This was America's first super successful 35mm camera.
the hard to find 1928 Memo takes special film casettes, so make sure you get them with the camera. the Memo is harder to use, but perhaps more interesting because it is the least expensive of the very early 35mm cameras -- if you have patience on the bay. the other relatively inexpensive, but very early and interesting 35mm camera is the French made Sept -- because it had seven different functions including movie camera and projector!
Stephen
The frame size on the Falcon is 3 x 4 cm. (To get that to line up on conventional roll film, you advance it so that the next number shows up in one red window, then the other. That's why there are two red windows.)
However, 3 x 4 cm is close enough to 24 x 36mm that you probably could trim down the resulting negs and just treat them like 35mm negs. It's not as if the Falcon's optical viewfinder is going to be so excruciatingly accurate that you'll be doing precise framing anyway!
Stephanie Brim
03-10-2006, 20:20
What I'd really love to do is see if I can find a way to make the thing work with 35mm roll film...but I have no idea how I'd do that right now.
At the moment, I'm going to focus on getting the cameras and seeing what is and isn't wrong with them. I don't expect either of them to work right offhand. I love learning experiences.
And BTW...was there someone looking for a half frame camera here lately? If I can get this one working I may go ahead and sell it. I have the Demi...I really don't see myself needing another half frame. The problem is that this one relies on the meter for function somewhat like the Olympus Pen EE...if the meter is dead, so is the camera for the most part.
I gambled...so now we see if I won or lost. ;)
amateriat
03-10-2006, 20:54
Someone slip that gal some 127 Verichrome Pan! (Regrettably, I have none...last time I touched the stuff was probably 1967)
- Barrett
As best I could determine via a quick Google search, 127 rollfilm is 1-5/8 inches wide. 35mm film (I just measured some) is 1-3/8 inches wide. That means that in principle, you could roll some 35mm film onto 127 spools using 127 paper backing, and get SOME kind of picture; remember you'd be exposing on the whole film area, including the sprocket holes!
To get around that, you could mask down the width of the film gate. To get inside the sprocket-hole area, you'd need to mask off about 5/16 inch off top and bottom. You'd want to use the full width of the original film gate, so that the numbers on your 127 paper backing would still provide the correct spacing. If I'm not getting this completely confused, I believe this would yield roughly 24 x 30mm negatives... hey, you've just invented "ideal format" 35mm!
It might be easier, though, to use 120 rollfilm instead. In the same Google search, I found the following hair-raising post:
Some member on this list suggested that one might cut a 120 roll into 127 format on a band saw; tried it; it works!! Used an electric band saw with deck adjusted so it is just a little higher than the roll; this insures the saw will not wobble and yaw; rewound the film on a metal 127 roll; Im sure this is the first time in a while a roll of Tri-X has been shot in the Baby; developed in D76 for 10 min.. some light fog on edges but none inside usable area; Super Slides will be next;
I say "hair-raising" because the idea of using a band saw in the dark REALLY scares me! (Or maybe he left the lights on and that's why he got edge fogging.) Assuming you can solve that problem... well, you'd still need some 127 spools and paper backing, but this approach sounds more practical to me than trying to get 35mm film to fit.
At least you're experimenting on an undistinguished camera, so if the whole thing turns out to be a disaster there's not much to be lost...
Stephanie Brim
03-10-2006, 21:03
What really bites is that it seems like it's going to be a hard camera to get ahold of again if I do somehow screw this one up. :D
yossarian
03-11-2006, 06:29
Oh yeah, and about 'going in too many different directions'. That's what keeps me interested in photography. When I'm going out to do something serious, the Canon P and Fed both go out the door with me. They are my staple cameras and I treat them as such. The things I buy for fun (these cameras, the box-o-cameras I got a while back, the Lex35) are just for that...fun. Some of them end up going out the door later on to other people who like cameras...others stay with me to be used by me. They are just my own way of keeping myself from getting out of the frame of mind I need to be in to do my own photography: "Ooooh...I wonder how *this* shot would look if taken with *this* camera and *this* camera on *this* film and *this* film..." You get the idea. I do what I do because I love photography and I'm still finding my way...and I have to find my own way.
I call them "Cheeseycams" and I have extensive experience with all types. They can
be very liberating. There was a big ugly one I got from Porter's and I gaffer-taped a
cheap fisheye adapter to it and shot TMax CN. When I machine printed it I added a
sepia look, and with the vignetting the resulting images look like authentic century-
old pictures. Much fun.
Hey, don't forget to pm your address to me (I forgot it) so I can get the 127 film to
you.
Fred
Byuphoto
03-11-2006, 11:52
and PM it to me so I can send the canon and some 35mm film
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