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But then again we already new that huh...
oh but lookie what I found!!!
CLN: Canon users would love to be able to use Zeiss lenses, too!
Müller: …and they keep telling us day-in day-out. So along with the ZF line, we are also introducing "ZS" lenses. Carl Zeiss ZS lenses come with the same optics as the ZF line; only the mount is different. ZS has the M-42 screw mount, the one that used to be called the "Universal SLR mount." We don't think the M-42 screw mount is going to take the market by storm, but it has a unique advantage: there are M-42 adapters available for any SLR bayonet mounts, including Canon EOS and FD. So you can adapt a ZS lens onto any 35 mm SLRs (and many other applications as well) if you crave the optical characteristics of this lens line and are willing to get along without the convenience functions of recent lenses.
:D
Something else interesting too http://www.ogisaku.com/
celluloidprop
01-17-2006, 15:02
I like that news, as I'm looking to buy a Nikkormat FTN and maybe a FM3A soon-ish. A Zeiss 50 would undoubtedly be high on my list (if they come in at the same price as ZM mount lenses).
85/1.4 is sweet. GeneW, you gonna have GAS over this now that you don't have the Zuiko 90?
Frank Granovski
01-17-2006, 15:06
Would these Zeiss be AI, AIS or non-AI? :cool:
And ZS (M42) mount is being introduced, too. Crap, I have a M42 to OM adapter. I'm dead.
Nikon F Mount seems to be having a bit of a reanaissance--my new-to-me 80mm Planar in LTM came with a Nikon F focusing mount as well. The lens is like a Viso lens: the head unscrews and you remount it on other mounts. Not sure what other mounts were made by "Rollei", but the lens is amazing. Another marketing debacle IMO. Never saw the lenses , let alone this great feature advertised. I'm dying to use it for some macro work.
85/1.4 is sweet. GeneW, you gonna have GAS over this now that you don't have the Zuiko 90?
Don't do this to me! Yes, that is a sweet one. However, I just picked up a great buy on a used Nikkor 85/2 so I'm okay -- I think...
Gene
Gene: f2? Be serious! Bwaaahaaa haa haa!!!!
wlewisiii
01-17-2006, 15:55
Oh my aching wallet... M42 mount too... which means FD with an adaptor...
William
William: Just about ANYTHING SLR with an adaptor. Damn Zeiss ba^tards.
From the Zeiss site:
>>The first ZF lens will be the Planar T* 1,4/50 ZF, which, in its Contax RTS version, was rated the world's best fast standard lens by "Popular Photography" in 1999. It will be followed by the Planar T* 1,4/85 ZF, which in its Contax RTS version became known as a great portrait lens and story-teller.<<
So these are essentially existing lenses (that had no real market) being refitted for the Nikon mount (now that Nikon is cutting back on its manual focus lenses).
Hm wait, I don't want to spoil the party, but I remember I had to stop down manually when using my father's M42 lenses on my Minolta SRT with the original Minolta adapter.
Will aperture preselection work with these lenses/adapters ?
(ie the ability of post-1960 SLRs to keep the aperture fully open until the shutter is pressed)
If it won't, we'll be better off dusting up the Visoflex lenses than buying these... :/
OK, so after reading the Zeiss blurb, probably the ZF [Nikon] have complete coupling, at least with current pro-level and all older Nikon D/SLRs.
But I fear the ZS [M42] will be about as usable as lenses with a stuck iris - always full aperture, or a dark viewfinder...
RJBender
01-17-2006, 18:00
Nikon F Mount seems to be having a bit of a reanaissance--my new-to-me 80mm Planar in LTM came with a Nikon F focusing mount as well. The lens is like a Viso lens: the head unscrews and you remount it on other mounts. Not sure what other mounts were made by "Rollei", but the lens is amazing. Another marketing debacle IMO. Never saw the lenses , let alone this great feature advertised. I'm dying to use it for some macro work.
Would you please upload a picture of that lens? I'd like to see what it looks like. :)
R.J.
So these are essentially existing lenses (that had no real market) being refitted for the Nikon mount (now that Nikon is cutting back on its manual focus lenses).
It's so very odd that Zeiss and Yashica/Kyocera offered and developed the Contax SLR line to a non-existing market for 30 years, a little longer than even the original RF Contax line from 1932-1961 which was never threatened by something called "digital photography." :eek:
I meant current market. I don't follow it closely, but I'd understood the Contax/Kyocera line had been dropped a short time ago. So you've got some first-class lens designs out there looking for a new home.
Alec: Some very nice photos have been made with stopdown metering on Pentax Spotmatic (pre Spotmatic F) and other M42 bodies.
Right now the onloy short tele I have on my OM is the Zuiko 100/2.8. It's a really nice lens, but sometimes I'd like something in the 80-85mm range. And f1.4? Yeah baby! I'm under no illusion that it will go for pocket change, though.
Looks like more than just 2 lenses. I see a 14 which equals 21 on nikon crops.
Looks like more than just 2 lenses. I see a 14 which equals 21 on nikon crops.
I don't think those Digiprimes are offered in F mount. :p
Right now the onloy short tele I have on my OM is the Zuiko 100/2.8. It's a really nice lens, but sometimes I'd like something in the 80-85mm range. And f1.4? Yeah baby! I'm under no illusion that it will go for pocket change, though.
With an M42 adapter on the OM body, the Planar will become a little longer and slower than 85mm f/1.4 - unless you give up infinity focus.
Now I'm glad I didn't sell my F3! ;)
The MRSP of the 2 initial offerings are almost twice as much as what the Contax equivalent asked for. Might as well buy a C/Y adapter and Contax lenses if you don't have an F-mount camera. What interest me is the Distagon that has max aperture of 2. I don't remember such equivelant in the latest Contax line (only the long discontinued 28/2 rang the bell).
The MRSP of the 2 initial offerings are almost twice as much as what the Contax equivalent asked for. Might as well buy a C/Y adapter and Contax lenses if you don't have an F-mount camera.
Don't forget Zeiss and Kyocera had 30 years to recoup their C/Y investment.
There is no C/Y to F adapter. Anyway there are almost 50 years' worth of Nikon bodies - and 30 year's worth of Contax and Yashica SLRs - to fit any budget. :p
Finally! Now I can enjoy the glorious marriage of 50/1.4 Planar with Zenit-E!
nonononono...
I don't need BOTH lust in the RF and SLR world
I feel like dying... ah.
How about this: http://www.zeiss.de/c12567a8003b58b9/Contents-Frame/0c1478c5153fd661c12570f900456319
Might be a more affordable way to get some of that zeiss glass goodness ?
Edit: looks like this camera sucks from what I could find on google actually.
If Braun Photo Techniek sees a market in a film SLR with C/y mount, its only a matter of time and they will come with a full size DSLR with C/Y mount. This is probably the case when the technology is accesable for smaller manufactors. wright or wrong ?
I expect Cosina to come up with that, instead of Braun. Since they have the experience cooperating with Epson to produce D1, it is not impossible to do similar thing again. Just name it Cosnax-D :)
I expect Cosina to come up with that, instead of Braun. Since they have the experience cooperating with Epson to produce D1, it is not impossible to do similar thing again. Just name it Cosnax-D :)
Yes it could be it's all speculation, however I keep my Zeiss glass for C/Y mount for the digital future. For now I prefer to work on film.
wlewisiii
01-18-2006, 04:16
Waking up this morning I realized another less expensive way to use these new lenses - a nice new C/V Bessaflex with that Planar 50/1.4 in screwmount would be a terribly nice combination...
William
Waking up this morning I realized another less expensive way to use these new lenses - a nice new C/V Bessaflex with that Planar 50/1.4 in screwmount would be a terribly nice combination...
An M42 adapter for your existing SLR would be even cheaper.
wlewisiii
01-18-2006, 12:45
Yes, but there are no autostop down adaptors for Canon FD mount. Yes, I know that they are perfectly usable anyway, but I'm lazy :D :D :D
William
Yes, but there are no autostop down adaptors for Canon FD mount. Yes, I know that they are perfectly usable anyway, but I'm lazy :D :D :D
William
Does the stop-down/meter switch of the Bessaflex work with any M42 lens? I would expect Zeiss not to include any lever or pin for open aperture metering, to ensure maximum compatibility with M42 bodies.
Come to think of it, an old DDR Contax SLR would look cool with a new Japanese Zeiss lens, though not the user-friendliest combo. :cool:
Bryan Lee
01-18-2006, 13:31
There is a good reason everyone gave up on the screw mount in the first place, It just doesnt work as good. There are so many good lenses on the market now buying a high dollar screw mount lense seems a little pointless. If you already have M42 lenses or your buying some off the internet for next to nothing It might make sense to have a new body with a more reliable light meter or a new shutter but paying more than half of the price of a FM2/FM3 body for a M42 mount body is on the border of paying to much.
My 'rescue from a skip' Fujica ST605n and Zenit, both with a cloth shutters can see the clear light once again. Oh but no money for a while.... must save up....
Even my currently meterless Praktica will come out of retirement now I've ordered the battery adapters from John Neal.
Sorry I'm talking SLRs again, I'll get my coat.
Kim Coxon
01-18-2006, 14:13
If you need the full stop down, you can use the Fujica bayonet bodies as well as their M42 ones. The Fujica XS adapter allows the use of stop down. ;)
Kim
Hey R.J.,
Here's a link from B&H. The top half is pretty clear to see, the bottom is the focusing helical and mount/cam:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=303161&is=USA&addedTroughType=search
erichard44
01-18-2006, 15:50
I use M42 screw mount lenses on my Sigma SD10, and I plan to get an adapter for the Canon A-1 as well. The Pentax lenses I have (28smc and 105smc) work very well in both applications, using the Aperture priority setting. So I don't agree that they do not work well. They have their own charm, and especially if the concept is not to see who can shoot the most pictures the fastest. The idea of competition is good, but I have to say I don't know if I would spring for the high price of these lenses. The T* lenses have excellent contrast, in my experience, almost to the point where one could wonder if they are the best for BW.
Bryan Lee
01-18-2006, 16:36
I use M42 screw mount lenses on my Sigma SD10, and I plan to get an adapter for the Canon A-1 as well. The Pentax lenses I have (28smc and 105smc) work very well in both applications, using the Aperture priority setting. So I don't agree that they do not work well. They have their own charm, and especially if the concept is not to see who can shoot the most pictures the fastest. The idea of competition is good, but I have to say I don't know if I would spring for the high price of these lenses. The T* lenses have excellent contrast, in my experience, almost to the point where one could wonder if they are the best for BW.
Im using some LTM to M adapters and they work its just a hassel to mess with changing lenses with them compared to just using a M mount or a F mount. If they have had extreme use they can get loose and Ive had them back off the adapter and its just anoying. Im in no way trying to discourage the use of them and most of us have enough experiance with our gear to know about what we like and dont like or know what works or doesnt work. Im glad they are making the lenses but I question how long they will last on the market and I wonder just how many they believe they can sell.
And ZS (M42) mount is being introduced, too. Crap, I have a M42 to OM adapter. I'm dead.I feel for you! My budget is in danger too, as I have five M42 Pentaxes, an adaptor to fit my six K-mount Pentaxes, plus an M42 adaptor for my three Olympus Pen F's... Zeiss 2.0/28 and 1.4/35mm would lead to more GAS.
The Bessaflex has the same stop-down meter switch on the left side of the mirror housing as Spotmatics, and works the same way. I believe all Pentax's auto-diaphragm screw-mount lenses had a sliding Manual-Auto diaphragm switch. With this switch on the lens, adapted to some other body unable to use the Pentax stop-down pin, you'd use this switch to open the lens for focusing, then stop it down manually like a pre-set type lens for shooting. Kind of a pain, I think, but that's the drill with Pentax's own M42-Kmount adaptor and my Pen adaptor too.
Some other M42 lenses do not have this diaphragm switch, so would have to have the auto-actuation pin somehow kept depressed, and then the lens would be straight manual diaphragm in operation. Not my cup of tea.
The SMC Takumars made for the SP-F and ES with wide-open metering have an extra shorter pin that is depressed when the lens is mounted on a different body or adaptor... This little pin releases the Auto-Manual switch on the lens from its normally locked status. So these lenses too would adapt in the same way as earlier M42 Pentax lenses. The compatible Pentax bodies have a groove in the face of the lens mount that allows mounting the lens without depressing that pin. The arm in the SMCT lens's mount that feeds f/stop info to the camera, and its solid calibration lug, shouldn't affect the host body, but I suppose interference is conceivable.
morongobill
01-29-2006, 08:02
Would these Zeiss be AI, AIS or non-AI? :cool:
:D Sure hope it's AIS then I'll be able too use it on my D70.
Btw, a friend of mine is having a heck of a time selling a 58mm f1.2 NOCT on Ebay
because it's an AI lens :(
a friend of mine is having a heck of a time selling a 58mm f1.2 NOCT on Ebaybecause it's an AI lens :(
I'd bet it's the reserve price or cosmetics, not the lens mount. If anything, the Ai version is rarer - 5 years of production versus 15. Ai-S offers little more than Ai anyway: http://cameraquest.com/aidaiais.htm
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