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Whats the main difference between Leica M4 and M4P.
I´m planing to buy one of these as a backup for my M6TTL.
I`m intrested in quality for longterm use in cold wether.
Regards krnt/ Sweden
Let's let the gandyman explain:
Go to www.cameraquest.com/mguide.htm and click on M4 (Stephen Gandy has a single quote in the URL that this board chokes on)
Might be worth reading the M4-2 (http://www.cameraquest.com/mguide.htm#M4-2 and M4-P) piece as well.
Oh, and welcome to the site!! :D
how to buy a leica (http://www.imx.nl/photosite/leica/mseries/choosem.html)
might be some useful info here also.
welcome to the forum!
The M4 finder has the condensor lens that was added back in with the M7 and MP. It was taken out with the M4-2 to lower production cost. Expect to pay a premium for the M4 over the other used Leica models. The M4P will go for less; as will an M2. Unless you must have the rapid rewind crank, the M2 is well worth looking at.
If you want to know how sexy a Leica M2 can be, see here: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?goto=newpost&threadid=1509 . :)
I looked at an M4 or M4P too but after comparing the 4s with the M2, and seeing the price difference between them, I decided on an M2. I got it quite cheap but it needed a new coat and a CLA. All in all I paid about 500 euro for it ($360 for the body, and about 220 euro for the CLA). The new leather cover added another $50.
I also got a cup for the eye piece and The Sling, both from Leicagoodies, and about 20 euro. A new Op/Tech strap cost me 25 euro.
As you see costs add up quite quickly for a new camera. But the M2 is worth it. It's a really lovely camera, very silent (even the click of the shutter curtain frames is almost inaudible), quite heavy (a good thing), balanced nicely, and a treat to shoot with.
I just wish it had a built-in light meter like my Voigtlanders or Leitz Minolta CL. A new Voigtlander light meter will add another $160 to the bill. :)
Oh. That would the the M2P.
I can't wait for my M2 with the original intact vulcanite to get back from its CLA. Paid $420 for the body, and $180 for the CLA/repair of the rewind gears. I use a Weston Master II for my Light meter with the M3, and will with the M2. It ran $5, and is amazingly accurate even in fairly dim light. It has a BIG selenium cell on it. Of course, the M4 series did not have a meter either.
Krnt, you still can carry around your M6TTL in cold weather: just take out the battery and carry a small meter around your neck. That's what I'd do...
Now, if you want another Leica body, who am I to stop you...? :)
krnt a black M4-2 with original box and instruction manual has just been put on sale at photo.net for US$753:
Black M4-2 on sale (http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=009eu7)
Thank you very much all of you who has given me a lot of good edvice about what to buy, eather m4 or M4P.
My best regards krnt.
Happy Leica owner.
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